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Am I boosted too much below 50Hz or is my response too low from 50-100Hz, and what's the best way to tell, SPL meter and test tones? I tested a few frequencies below 50Hz and from 60 and up and there does seems to be a 3-6dB increase below 50 at my MLP. I might get around to playing with a miniDSP in the next few weeks to pull down some of those peaks, although I do like a slight house curve. I tried the Audyssey Room Size tweak on the V1800's, setting them to medium/50% before calibrating, and then back to large after. There's not a substantial difference, but that may be my 3rd sub that wasn't attenuated throwing it off...come to think of it, the cylider does have a room gain adjustment on it too, doh. Perhaps the room size needed to be set even smaller. Happy Friday!

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No, i got the unbalanced, the balanced one would have been a better fit.

Yep. The unbalanced version is limited to 0.9 volts. The balanced is 4 volts. Some have even measured higher.
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LOL well my early birthday present arrived this afternoon so I am trying to get it dialed in and setup. Plays way deeper bass than my old Pardigm PW 2200. Exactly what I was looking for. Of course going from a 12" sub to an 18" sub should be quite a difference.





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I took a very preliminary reading using REW after I calibrated the system with Audyssey, and the new sub definitely filled in a huge dip that I was seeing in the 25Hz range and another smaller dip in the 80Hz range. But I still have a dip at the 150Hz range and the curve did not look flat at all. Because the V3600i is such a huge monster(), there are not many choices as to where it can be placed in my HT. But I'll try a couple of different locations and see what readings I get on REW.

I plan to fire it up this evening and watch a few "bass heavy" movies. I'm looking forward to being blown away!
What are you crossing over at? The 150 Hz range is a bit high up on the scale to be your subs. That sounds more like your speakers are experiencing some room issues.

Congrats on your new subwoofer, have fun dialing it in.
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My V3600i arrived last week and the first reaction I had was that it is huge! In fact my family were wondering whether I had bought another set of floor standing speakers instead of just one sub! I was glad that my sister and family were visiting me over the weekend because I got my nephew to help me unpack the sub and get it into place. It would have been tough for me to do that by myself. However, because I had to play host over the weekend, I could not get it hooked up and calibrated until yesterday evening. I took a very preliminary reading using REW after I calibrated the system with Audyssey, and the new sub definitely filled in a huge dip that I was seeing in the 25Hz range and another smaller dip in the 80Hz range. But I still have a dip at the 150Hz range and the curve did not look flat at all. Because the V3600i is such a huge monster(), there are not many choices as to where it can be placed in my HT. But I'll try a couple of different locations and see what readings I get on REW.

I plan to fire it up this evening and watch a few "bass heavy" movies. I'm looking forward to being blown away!
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You will be blown away, as once I received the V3600, I watched movies over again that I had watched before, knowing that I was going to be amazed with the new addition. Enjoy your sub and all the benefits it brings to you in your home.!
Thanks guys. Just getting ready to go downstairs and watch a few movies tonight. Will post my impressions tomorrow.

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What are you crossing over at? The 150 Hz range is a bit high up on the scale to be your subs. That sounds more like your speakers are experiencing some room issues.

Congrats on your new subwoofer, have fun dialing it in.
I am crossing over at 80 Hz and all my speakers are set as "Small". Audyssey set all my speakers as "Large" and set the crossover at 40 Hz. I changed them to be "Small" and the crossover to be 80Hz. I hope that I did the right thing.

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I am crossing over at 80 Hz and all my speakers are set as "Small". Audyssey set all my speakers as "Large" and set the crossover at 40 Hz. I changed them to be "Small" and the crossover to be 80Hz. I hope that I did the right thing.
Yep that's exactly what is usually recommended to do.

If that's the case that dip at 150 Hz isn't the subs, it's your speakers and how they are interacting with the room and it's fairly common to see dips like that. When you get a chance post a shot of your REW graph so the guys here can give you some feedback.

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I am crossing over at 80 Hz and all my speakers are set as "Small". Audyssey set all my speakers as "Large" and set the crossover at 40 Hz. I changed them to be "Small" and the crossover to be 80Hz. I hope that I did the right thing.
That's the general settings to use, as Hop said it may be room induced from your speakers, try a 1 meter close mic sweep of your left and right speakers and post the graphs, use the 0 degree cal file and see what you get. Make sure you put the mic at the same distance from each speaker, this will give you a good idea what's happening before the sound reaches your LP.
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try to pull the sub out from wall 6 inches see what happens


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I just wanted to comment on the movie Allegiance or whatever it's called, that movie has some moments of serious LFE going on, my V1800s which are on carpet over concrete sent such tactile force waves through the floor from the bottom of my feet and slammed me in the chest. I never really opened the 1800s up till last night as I haven't been doing much movie or music listening as of late and the 1800s on the carpet/concrete made a real impression on me. I believe the V1800 is the perfect sub for most situations and is the diamond in the rough which says a lot for the V3600, I think one of those may be in order as a very high end table....
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congrats on the new v3600. it's a beast for sure. it's funny how you can get the measurements, imagine it with a tape measure and think you know the size. then you see it in real life and go, "oh, sh**........this is AWESOME! " i thought for sure i had a grasp of its size and wouldn't be surprised, but nope. and one thing that just doesn't get pointed out quite enough around here is how articulate the v3600 is. sure, it can pound the windows out of their frames and crack your foundation with the pod emergence scene, but when you experience how quick and accurate it hits with more subtle music and movie effects....well, that's where it impressed me quite a bit. don't get me wrong, i love the boom, but it's all the other subtle things it does that make it such a special behemoth.
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I am crossing over at 80 Hz and all my speakers are set as "Small". Audyssey set all my speakers as "Large" and set the crossover at 40 Hz. I changed them to be "Small" and the crossover to be 80Hz. I hope that I did the right thing.
Just moving your mains a foot in or out from the walls can make all the difference. My owner's manual advises a minimum of 3' of distance from any wall. Every speaker and room are different. Start with the manufacturer's recommendations then tweak from there.

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There are plenty of budget subs on the market. PSA can't be all things to all people. Let someone else make $700 subs.


I have to sell my audio purchases to my wife and she understands Made in America and not much else when it comes to audio components. PSA is quality from beginning to end and you have to expect to pay a little more for that. My JBL towers of five years ago arrived in flimsy packaging. One of the plastic grill pins was broken and it still bothers me today. PSA components arrive in second to none thick cardboard packaging well protected with foam inserts. There would have to be serious mishandling to damage them in shipping. And that is just the beginning. Pull the grill and you will find steel pins instead of plastic. And best of all they sound great.


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congrats on the new v3600. it's a beast for sure. it's funny how you can get the measurements, imagine it with a tape measure and think you know the size. then you see it in real life and go, "oh, sh**........this is AWESOME! " i thought for sure i had a grasp of its size and wouldn't be surprised, but nope. and one thing that just doesn't get pointed out quite enough around here is how articulate the v3600 is. sure, it can pound the windows out of their frames and crack your foundation with the pod emergence scene, but when you experience how quick and accurate it hits with more subtle music and movie effects....well, that's where it impressed me quite a bit. don't get me wrong, i love the boom, but it's all the other subtle things it does that make it such a special behemoth.
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thanks man. i just think so many people get caught up in graphs and tech specs rather than what the sub actually sounds like. it's hard enough to put into words how good the v3600 is, let alone trying to express finess and high quality sound as a max output spec on some spreadsheet. if it were all about max output, there is no doubt in my mind that tom and jim could produce that in spades. they are much more concerned about quality sound from top to bottom and that is what they have achieved. after all, they did name the company power SOUND audio, not power MAX OUTPUT audio.
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Hey guys I have an intresting announcement to bring to the table.

I just ordered 2 3600is that are expected to be here Thursday.
Can anyone say 3600 vs g21 throw down?

Looking forward to it!

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see, this thread does have some sort of mystical voodoo that causes one to order expensive audio equipment. it also causes you to keep upgrading until you can upgrade no further....newc33 is just the latest victim. see guys....there's just no stopping it and we were doomed from day 1. i suddenly feel compelled to save no further and just go purchase a second v3600...right.....now!
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see, this thread does have some sort of mystical voodoo that causes one to order expensive audio equipment. it also causes you to keep upgrading until you can upgrade no further....newc33 is just the latest victim. see guys....there's just no stopping it and we were doomed from day 1. i suddenly feel compelled to save no further and just go purchase a second v3600...right.....now!
Do it! I would

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see, this thread does have some sort of mystical voodoo that causes one to order expensive audio equipment. it also causes you to keep upgrading until you can upgrade no further....newc33 is just the latest victim. see guys....there's just no stopping it and we were doomed from day 1. i suddenly feel compelled to save no further and just go purchase a second v3600...right.....now!
LOL this thread made me order a V1800. It was originally a v15 but I have been following it for a year or so now. LOL I though a 15 would be too small after reading all this time.

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LOL this thread made me order a V1800. It was originally a v15 but I have been following it for a year or so now. LOL I though a 15 would be too small after reading all this time.

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Wait till you get the second......
Yeah it's in the plans before this time next year so I can still get the discount.

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Hey guys I have an intresting announcement to bring to the table.

I just ordered 2 3600is that are expected to be here Thursday.
Can anyone say 3600 vs g21 throw down?

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Congrats on the purchase, you'll have tracking Monday and delivery Thursday, that in it itself should be a rewarding experience for you, I think it will be a real throw down..........

Have you ever seen the build quality of a PSA subwoofer, I think you're going to be very impressed before you even plug it in, that's about all the break in time it will need.......
Congrats again...
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Congrats on the purchase, you'll have tracking Monday and delivery Thursday, that in it itself should be a rewarding experience for you, I think it will be a real throw down..........

Have you ever seen the build quality of a PSA subwoofer, I think you're going to be very impressed before you even plug it in, that's about all the break in time it will need.......
Congrats again...
I haven't seen the build quality of Psa in person no. I'm sure it is of top notch material and crafmanship.

So far I'd say my jtrs are the most solid built while RA has the most appealing looks and finish.

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Basically it should be close. I believe the cone area of dual 18s is approximately 24 inches if I am correct. The gamma subjectively has the better amp with more power on tap. Beefier driver for the RA but only one of them.... Should be good...

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I haven't seen the build quality of Psa in person no. I'm sure it is of top notch material and crafmanship.

So far I'd say my jtrs are the most solid built while RA has the most appealing looks and finish.
I'm glad to hear you like the RA finish as I thought that was one of the main complaints, faded and uneven finish, I'm not trying to be smart seriously, I just read many posts about the finish of the subs.
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Ya I'm really suprised about that. Unless it was a cosmetic flaw I can't belive someone would feel that way.

But hey to each there own...

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Basically it should be close. I believe the cone area of dual 18s is approximately 24 inches if I am correct. The gamma subjectively has the better amp with more power on tap. Beefier driver for the RA but only one of them.... Should be good...
I don't want to sound forward or anything but I don't think it's going to be that close of a throw down just because the driver is "beefier" and has more power on tap, I'll leave you to your own conclusions........have fun.
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I don't want to sound forward or anything but I don't think it's going to be that close of a throw down just because the driver is "beefier" and has more power on tap, I'll leave you to your own conclusions........have fun.

No I'm not choosing sides at all. You may be right. I'm just glad I have the opportunity two play around with both of them. It's gonna be fun and that's all that matters...
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No I'm not choosing sides at all. You may be right. I'm just glad I have the opportunity two play around with both of them. It's gonna be fun and that's all that matters...
What's the ultimate plan? Run all 4 together? Sell/return the loser? Return the PSAs if its a wash?


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see, this thread does have some sort of mystical voodoo that causes one to order expensive audio equipment. it also causes you to keep upgrading until you can upgrade no further....newc33 is just the latest victim. see guys....there's just no stopping it and we were doomed from day 1. i suddenly feel compelled to save no further and just go purchase a second v3600...right.....now!


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