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Beginning to notice kick drum in music more with SB Ultra 13. May integrated my SB 12+ in the hifi, use outlaw ICBM1 between pre and power cross over at 60hz letting sub do <60hz
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Beginning to notice kick drum in music more with SB Ultra 13. May integrated my SB 12+ in the hifi, use outlaw ICBM1 between pre and power cross over at 60hz letting sub do <60hz
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New SB13 Ultra - Placement Questions

Greetings all. I just got the SB13 Ultra (well, about a month ago) when I moved into a new home and so far loving it! I continue to be impressed by it for all applications - music, movies, morning news, whatever I throw at it. I upgraded from a BIC PL-200. I was on the fence for a long time between it, the Rythmik E15HP, and the JL E112. I finally decided on the SB13 for its in-between woofer size, impressive woofer construction, tweakability if I wanted it, and the strong amplifier. At a point I had also considered the Seaton Submersive, but I honestly didn't want to spend that kind of money as I was also buying a home. I also thought it may be overkill. I think I was right - this thing fills and moves the room and my neighbors have told me they can hear it (but are super cool about it). Anyway, so far so good. A couple questions though.

First, is there any difference in sound with the grill on or off? I actually like how it looks with the grill on better. But I understand the purpose of the thing is to move air and can't help but think that grill hinders the movement of some air.

Secondly, I need to keep the subwoofer generally in the corner area that you see in the pictures. I'm not sure if it should be as far in the corner as possible, or as far away from the corner as possible, or if that matters at all. Thoughts on where it should be placed there? Also, should it be toed in toward the main listening position or parallel to the side or back wall? Any help is appreciated.

If it helps, the sub is in a living room on the second floor, which is about 15 feet x 16 feet, with 9 foot ceilings. The second floor of the home is essentially a 37 foot by 16 foot rectangle (I've attached a last photo of the entire floor, with the speaker setup on the left), and the living room takes up about 2/5 of it (or 15/37ths, to be exact).

Thanks all for all the info in this thread. Major thanks to AVS member JimWilson who has been extremely informative and patient in answering my questions. Hopefully I can be of some help when I know more.
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^ I assume you did the subwoofer crawl to get it located where you have it. If not, it might be a good idea. But you can also walk around the room (and around your listening position) to see if there is better bass than what is at your listening position. Moving a sub, even as small as 3 to 6 inches in any direction can make a difference in the sound quality at the listening position. BTW, furniture sliders are your friend.

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Greetings all. I just got the SB13 Ultra (well, about a month ago) when I moved into a new home and so far loving it! I continue to be impressed by it for all applications - music, movies, morning news, whatever I throw at it. I upgraded from a BIC PL-200. I was on the fence for a long time between it, the Rythmik E15HP, and the JL E112. I finally decided on the SB13 for its in-between woofer size, impressive woofer construction, tweakability if I wanted it, and the strong amplifier. At a point I had also considered the Seaton Submersive, but I honestly didn't want to spend that kind of money as I was also buying a home. I also thought it may be overkill. I think I was right - this thing fills and moves the room and my neighbors have told me they can hear it (but are super cool about it). Anyway, so far so good. A couple questions though.

First, is there any difference in sound with the grill on or off? I actually like how it looks with the grill on better. But I understand the purpose of the thing is to move air and can't help but think that grill hinders the movement of some air.

Secondly, I need to keep the subwoofer generally in the corner area that you see in the pictures. I'm not sure if it should be as far in the corner as possible, or as far away from the corner as possible, or if that matters at all. Thoughts on where it should be placed there? Also, should it be toed in toward the main listening position or parallel to the side or back wall? Any help is appreciated.

If it helps, the sub is in a living room on the second floor, which is about 15 feet x 16 feet, with 9 foot ceilings. The second floor of the home is essentially a 37 foot by 16 foot rectangle (I've attached a last photo of the entire floor, with the speaker setup on the left), and the living room takes up about 2/5 of it (or 15/37ths, to be exact).

Thanks all for all the info in this thread. Major thanks to AVS member JimWilson who has been extremely informative and patient in answering my questions. Hopefully I can be of some help when I know more.
What's the distance between the speakers and your listening position? From the pictures it looks like your speakers may be too close together.

Corner loading that sub will only reinforce the output. Looks like you do have XT32 with Sub EQ that should help nicely.

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^ I assume you did the subwoofer crawl to get it located where you have it. If not, it might be a good idea. But you can also walk around the room (and around your listening position) to see if there is better bass than what is at your listening position. Moving a sub, even as small as 3 to 6 inches in any direction can make a difference in the sound quality at the listening position. BTW, furniture sliders are your friend.
I didn't do the subwoofer crawl, but I have moved it a little bit here and there to see where it sounds best at the MLP and at various places in the room where I'm likely to listen to it, including my kitchen. The wife would not help (/ did not approve) of my putting the 100-pound black box on the new couch with me crawling around on the floor. (Can I blame her, though?) I could still do it, I guess, but it doesn't really excite me either, in light of the fact that I'm generally moving around the room/sitting in different whenever the system is on.

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What's the distance between the speakers and your listening position? From the pictures it looks like your speakers may be too close together.

Corner loading that sub will only reinforce the output. Looks like you do have XT32 with Sub EQ that should help nicely.
The speakers are definitely closer to one another than they are to me. That's something I have been meaning to correct. also considered putting the sub between the speakers to aid in correcting the distance between them, but that would then mean I wasn't corner loading. I take it from your response that corner loading is a good thing, right? I've always heard that it reinforces, and think it's especially needed here given the size of the room.

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The speakers are definitely closer to one another than they are to me. That's something I have been meaning to correct. also considered putting the sub between the speakers to aid in correcting the distance between them, but that would then mean I wasn't corner loading. I take it from your response that corner loading is a good thing, right? I've always heard that it reinforces, and think it's especially needed here given the size of the room.
I would experiment and see what sounds best to you. Good thing is that you have the best version of Audyssey to help integrate that sub properly. Make sure to re-run it anytime you move the sub.

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The speakers are definitely closer to one another than they are to me. That's something I have been meaning to correct. also considered putting the sub between the speakers to aid in correcting the distance between them, but that would then mean I wasn't corner loading. I take it from your response that corner loading is a good thing, right? I've always heard that it reinforces, and think it's especially needed here given the size of the room.
I have my SB13 between my mains. Sounds great!

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I have also purchased a SVS isolation pads for my sb13ultra twins and i also noticed as you say more clearer bass notes and my sofa is now vibrating gently as i am having a massage the sound has definetely improved further if that is even possible
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Quick question - I've been on the fence between the SB13Ultra and the Rythmik E15HP, but am leaning heavily toward the Ultra.
My current room setup consists of a little over 2000 cubic feet (one open doorway at the back side of the room. I am planning a remodel of our home and will move my setup into a room about 2800 cubic feet that will have two open doorways at the back of the room. Both are not dedicated home theaters, but family rooms.
Current listening habits are 60/40 home theater/music. Speakers are Ascend Sierra 1s. Amp is Marantz SR6006.
My question is whether or not the Ultra would be overkill for my room. I have a 1 year old and my wife isn't keen on turning the volume up on anything. Listening levels are moderate to low, the volume display on the Marantz is about -50 to -40 (I think that is right, seems really low based on levels I've seen on here).
I was originally looking at the Rythmik F12 but Rythmik suggested at least a 15" sub for my space. I'd like to go sealed for space and approval from my wife (also needs to be piano black). The Ultra fit the size and approval factors, just wondering if I could get something cheaper to suffice if I wasn't using all the Ultra had to offer. make sense? Any input would be great. Thanks!
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mrw1zard: There is rarely, if ever, a reason to consider the SB13-Ultra as overkill in a 2,000 or 2,800 cu. ft. room, especially with a couple of open doors. Both the Ultra and Rythmik E15HP are great choices and extremely close in performance, and both will see fairly decent cabin gain. Don’t worry about overkill. While you may not use either sub to its full capability all the time, don’t kid yourself, the longer you own it, the more performance you will seek .
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Quick question - I've been on the fence between the SB13Ultra and the Rythmik E15HP, but am leaning heavily toward the Ultra.
My current room setup consists of a little over 2000 cubic feet (one open doorway at the back side of the room. I am planning a remodel of our home and will move my setup into a room about 2800 cubic feet that will have two open doorways at the back of the room. Both are not dedicated home theaters, but family rooms.
Current listening habits are 60/40 home theater/music. Speakers are Ascend Sierra 1s. Amp is Marantz SR6006.
My question is whether or not the Ultra would be overkill for my room. I have a 1 year old and my wife isn't keen on turning the volume up on anything. Listening levels are moderate to low, the volume display on the Marantz is about -50 to -40 (I think that is right, seems really low based on levels I've seen on here).
I was originally looking at the Rythmik F12 but Rythmik suggested at least a 15" sub for my space. I'd like to go sealed for space and approval from my wife (also needs to be piano black). The Ultra fit the size and approval factors, just wondering if I could get something cheaper to suffice if I wasn't using all the Ultra had to offer. make sense? Any input would be great. Thanks!
My wife and I listen at relatively low volumes as well, and in my experience, our SB13U delivers excellent bass regardless of how loud or quiet our listening level is.
The SB13U will provide you with quality bass for music, and satisfying (but not as earthshaking as the ported alternatives) LowFrequencyEffects (LFE) for movies.
The SB13U has a lot to offer besides the 1,000 watts RMS ... superb detai, in my opinion, is what sets it apart from the other SVS offerings.

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mrw1zard: definitely get the SB13U, as TomC1315 mentioned... +1, it is the best subwoofer SVS is offering.
overkill? not at all.
SB13Ultra and the Rythmik E15HP both good subs, but SB13U way better for movies, more texture, more meat
I owned the E15HP and I replaced it with SB13U as I do 100% HT.
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Quick question - I've been on the fence between the SB13Ultra and the Rythmik E15HP, but am leaning heavily toward the Ultra.
My current room setup consists of a little over 2000 cubic feet (one open doorway at the back side of the room. I am planning a remodel of our home and will move my setup into a room about 2800 cubic feet that will have two open doorways at the back of the room. Both are not dedicated home theaters, but family rooms.
Current listening habits are 60/40 home theater/music. Speakers are Ascend Sierra 1s. Amp is Marantz SR6006.
My question is whether or not the Ultra would be overkill for my room. I have a 1 year old and my wife isn't keen on turning the volume up on anything. Listening levels are moderate to low, the volume display on the Marantz is about -50 to -40 (I think that is right, seems really low based on levels I've seen on here).
I was originally looking at the Rythmik F12 but Rythmik suggested at least a 15" sub for my space. I'd like to go sealed for space and approval from my wife (also needs to be piano black). The Ultra fit the size and approval factors, just wondering if I could get something cheaper to suffice if I wasn't using all the Ultra had to offer. make sense? Any input would be great. Thanks!
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mrw1zard: definitely get the SB13U, as TomC1315 mentioned... +1, it is the best subwoofer SVS is offering.
overkill? not at all.
SB13Ultra and the Rythmik E15HP both good subs, but SB13U way better for movies, more texture, more meat
I owned the E15HP and I replaced it with SB13U as I do 100% HT.
Cheers
I just listened to a wonderfully laid back, yet bass heavy track ("Seeking Knowledge" by New Zealand duo Perverse, available for a complete listen on Bandcamp) that just blew me away, especially in regards to how the SB13U performed.
The 6 1/2 min. track has, except for a 55 sec. intro and a few pauses here and there, wall-to-wall deep, rich bass tones ... We don't watch many action movies and therefore experience relatively few moments of some nice LFE - but this track is one big musical LFE ride.

Here's what is, IMO, so impressive about the SB13ultra: our +5,500 cf living area (open to the rest of our home) and the rest of the 1 story home is built on a concrete slab ... nevertheless, sitting in the MLP, I feel the entire room respond to the deep bass ... no localization of bass, but rather feeling it from everywhere - and this track rumbles :-)

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Thanks everyone for the quick feedback. Looks like I'll be getting the SB13Ultra. Now just need to wait until the funds are available. Hopefully it will be soon!
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I just listened to a wonderfully laid back, yet bass heavy track ("Seeking Knowledge" by New Zealand duo Perverse, available for a complete listen on Bandcamp) that just blew me away, especially in regards to how the SB13U performed.
The 6 1/2 min. track has, except for a 55 sec. intro and a few pauses here and there, wall-to-wall deep, rich bass tones ... We don't watch many action movies and therefore experience relatively few moments of some nice LFE - but this track is one big musical LFE ride.

Here's what is, IMO, so impressive about the SB13ultra: our +5,500 cf living area (open to the rest of our home) and the rest of the 1 story home is built on a concrete slab ... nevertheless, sitting in the MLP, I feel the entire room respond to the deep bass ... no localization of bass, but rather feeling it from everywhere - and this track rumbles :-)

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I will try this one for sure on my duals as i can hear a low tones even through my altec lansing 2.1 computer speakers it is nice chillout music ...how do you have your ultra setup? mine is -24 at sub amp and on avr one is at -5.5 and the other at - 2,5 (both are 5db hotter as audyssey sets them)...do you listen with dynEQ on (i have it on and ref level offset at -5 for both music and movies)?
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I will try this one for sure on my duals as i can hear a low tones even through my altec lansing 2.1 computer speakers it is nice chillout music ...how do you have your ultra setup? mine is -24 at sub amp and on avr one is at -5.5 and the other at - 2,5 (both are 5db hotter as audyssey sets them)...do you listen with dynEQ on (i have it on and ref level offset at -5 for both music and movies)?
While running Audyssey, I had the SB13U set at -12dB ... Audyssey gave me a -6.5dB on the AVR ... then I bumped the sub up to -8dB

Dynamic EQ? Yes, it's always on ... it seems to bring about a much fuller soundstage, to the extent that neither my son or myself can tell if we're in multi-channel stereo or 2-channel mode while sitting in the MLP ... often times I'll need to put my ear up to the center channel to see if it's on. It seems to work wonders.

Reference Level Offset? I keep mine at 0 for both music and movies ... I can't tell any difference between the four different options ... the music I listen to has a very wide dynamic range, which would be the -5 offset that you choose.

Glad to read that you liked that track ... I can't imagine hearing it through dual ultras :-) enjoy !

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I will try this one for sure on my duals as i can hear a low tones even through my altec lansing 2.1 computer speakers it is nice chillout music ...how do you have your ultra setup? mine is -24 at sub amp and on avr one is at -5.5 and the other at - 2,5 (both are 5db hotter as audyssey sets them)...do you listen with dynEQ on (i have it on and ref level offset at -5 for both music and movies)?
I've got mine setup @ -5 AMP -5 AVR. My bedroom is 1400~ cubic feet. I only have Audyssey flat set, everything else turned off. 90% music 8% games 2% movies.

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I've got mine setup @ -5 AMP -5 AVR. My bedroom is 1400~ cubic feet. I only have Audyssey flat set, everything else turned off. 90% music 8% games 2% movies.
My living room is around 1600 cubic feet...at -5 on sub amp my whole room is shaking and i get kick in the stomach feeling just like if you are on the rock concert...it is too much for me (i see you have the same receiver oh man you sure like to shake the house , mine are just chilling compared to your )but sometimes i crank it up i especially like watching movies as there is no sign of boominess just pure bass... icant wait for the weekend to come to watch movies on the couch with my wife, it is so relaxing especially if she is for a little louder listening levels
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Yup, yup, yup...go for it

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Question for you owners....

I have two old CS-Ultra subs I bought in early 2002. they are powered by a big Crown amp.

I can easily bottom these subs out and they make an alarming clicking noise.

do you folks have problems with bottoming out your SB-13 Ultras?? I'm planning on two in my 3,000 Cuft room.

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I own one of these and have sold and setup dozens. You cant bottom them out at all. The DSP prevents over excursion.

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That's good news Tom, thanks! No more sitting nervously with the remote in my hands then?
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That's good news Tom, thanks! No more sitting nervously with the remote in my hands then?
You should be nervous about something else in your listening theater. Maybe the walls or whatever is hanging on the walls should be locked down.
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Nothing is worse than the mechanical "clank" of a loudspeaker. Many times they are alcohol induced, lol.

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Nothing is worse than the mechanical "clank" of a loudspeaker. Many times they are alcohol induced, lol.
yes, and as someone who takes very good care of my stuff, it is terror inducing!
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You should be nervous about something else in your listening theater. Maybe the walls or whatever is hanging on the walls should be locked down.
Cool, nothing loose in there (fortunately), you can see a tiny photo of my HT in my avatar...
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Cool, nothing loose in there (fortunately), you can see a tiny photo of my HT in my avatar...
Looks really nice...

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