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Thanks to the FED EX driver i have no sub. Someone was here all day the guy never knocked, just left a note and left. I know full well the he did not want to mess with the heavy box. They got a cussing out on the phone last nite.
That happened to me and at the end of the day I just went to FedEx and picked it up.

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That happened to me and at the end of the day I just went to FedEx and picked it up.
I'm not driving 30 miles one way to pick it up. If FED- EX screws me today i will ask SVS to deal with them. I am home all day waiting and will run after the driver if he pulls that stunt today.
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Thanks to the FED EX driver i have no sub. Someone was here all day the guy never knocked, just left a note and left. I know full well the he did not want to mess with the heavy box. They got a cussing out on the phone last nite.
Happened to me once when I really needed the delivery. noticed the label about 5pm, called fedex, actually got someone on phone (that was a challenge) and they did actually send driver back

luckily i have a doorbell and motion activated camera now!

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Got it this time. Ran a cal on the Pioneer Elite. So far it sounds very good. Let it run for a few hours i guess.
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Still playing around and adjusting. Sure is snappy and fast. Just like my SB12 NSD but with more thrust. This is like adding more jets to a plane.
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schematics or diagram for Bash 750w amp?

My amp is broken. Does anybody have the schematics for the 750w bash amp?
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I have a friend who suggested me to use the front pre outs of my receiver to feed my dual sb13ultras and 5 channel amp.

1. Y connector from front Left pre out of av receiver to Left input of 1st subwoofer on the left and to the channel 1 of power amp.

2. Y connector from front Right pre out of av receiver to Right input of 2nd subwoofer on the right and to the 2nd channel of power amp.

3. 1st LFE out from receiver to the Right IN of Left subwoofer and 2nd LFE out from receiver to the Left IN of Right subwoofer.

4. LPF setting on both subs to 125hz with slope of 12db.

5. All speakers set to small with 80Hz crossover. LFE set to 120hz.

6. Run Audyssey and adjust settings and crossover as mentioned above.

Will there be a problem if I use my subs this way?

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Hi!

I own an sb13-ultra.. I have recently discovered that the driver produces quite an amount of noise when I'm close to the woofer. I have tried to switch both the signal cable and the power cord, and also plugged everything out except the power cord. It seems that the noise is originating in either the amplifier or the driver.. Every time I turn the woofer off, the driver makes three clicking-sounds. Anyone experiencing some of the same as me?
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Hey everyone. My SB13 Ultra should be here tomorrow. I'm running a Velodyne SPL1200R right now. Can anyone give me any comparison of what I should expect performance wise? Obviously I'm hoping this will out perform my Velodyne. Thank you in advance!! Cheers!!
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Hey everyone. My SB13 Ultra should be here tomorrow. I'm running a Velodyne SPL1200R right now. Can anyone give me any comparison of what I should expect performance wise? Obviously I'm hoping this will out perform my Velodyne. Thank you in advance!! Cheers!!
Never heard it but it sounds like it was a pretty good sub. I'm sure the SB13 will hold its own in comparison if not better it. That Velodyne is a 2500.00 sub back in its day. The Ultra weighs 40lbs more though

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Never heard it but it sounds like it was a pretty good sub. I'm sure the SB13 will hold its own in comparison if not better it. That Velodyne is a 2500.00 sub back in its day. The Ultra weighs 40lbs more though
Based on stats it should. Both 1000W RMS but the SVS has a claimed 3600W peak vs 2000W on my Velodyne so i'm hoping this means there will be more headroom for big hits. Also SVS has bigger driver and box, so hope it digs deeper and hits a little harder below 20Hz. Sonic Boom put wrong address on the waybill so i watched the Loomis driver go by today without stopping to drop off my sub. Got it straitened out and it will be here in the morning. I know it will take a bit to get it dialed in so will update hopefully tomorrow with my impressions. Cheers!!
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Talking First Impressions.

SB13-Ultra showed up, Yay!! As my older Integra AVR self calibration is only the XT version and i really didn't like what it took away from the sub as well at it wanted mains and center at full range, i opted to go manual mode. Front mains at 80Hz/Center 70Hz/,,,,, front end sounds much crisper,, the rest of the surrounds at 80Hz. LFE at 120Hz with the 25Hz setting a little hotter at +3. Left sub at default volume and the AVR sub channel volume quite hot at +6. My living room is terrible for quality bass as there are no 90 degree corners as the room is hexagon shaped with floor to ceiling windows thus the reason i have everything a little hot.

First impression as i've put the sub through about two hours of listening, (i know that's not much), It took me about an hour to get used to the different tuning vs my SPL1200-R. I'm very impressed so far with how it has made the music sound. Other than the +3 on the 25Hz setting,,, everything else i left flat. Took me a little bit to get used to how well it performs above 40Hz,, complimenting my week KSB-3.1 mains. Definetly new rattles throughout the house.

Decided it was time to throw on a movie (Jurrasic Park 3) in DTS-ES-Matrix. I'll cut to the chase,, when the plane crashed into the woods and was hitting the trees, the impact was felt with authority. Shorty after when the T-Rex was fighting what ever that other thing was called all i did was smile then check the windows to make sure they didn't crack. (slight exaggeration).

So compared to my Velodyne SPL1200-R in this early stage,, i'm finding what i had hoped for. Deeper lows, more volume with no straining, and a unexpected improvement in music as this larger sub handles higher frequencies very well.

If it's true that a sub needs a break in period, then i guess there will be better performance to come. Cheers!!
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I have a question concerning dual SB13 Ultra's. Up to what size cubic foot room can dual SB13 Ultra's operate efficiently for H/T? This room
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I have a question concerning dual SB13 Ultra's. Up to what size cubic foot room can dual SB13 Ultra's operate efficiently for H/T? This room
would be for movies and music.
I have dual SB13's in my 4500-5000 cubic foot basement and I've been very happy with the performance. If it wasn't for this forum I likely wouldn't ever think of having to upgrade again. I am probably 70/30 music/movies and even being on a cement floor they still provide some decent kick. When I was originally shopping size and aesthetics were admittedly a big factor for me, which is why I chose the Ultras even though there are better values out there to be had. I rarely listen at reference levels but if/when I turn them up they don't disappoint. I think you'd be happy - I think 99% of people would be happy - the remaining 1% frequent this forum and have quad 18's with 5000 watts and would be underwhelmed
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I have a 21' x 12.5' x 10' room (2625 cf) in my apartment and the duals do more than fine. I don't play them really loud since i have to be on friendly terms with the neighbors but they play low and very clean.
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Thanks guys for the input. I have decided to stay with my dual PB12 Plus's in my 1880 cf theatre room.
I think it was the size factor of the PB12 Plus's that had me wondering if I should switch them out to dual
SB13 Ultra's since I just purchased the dual PB12 Plus's and I was within my return window.

I have decided to purchased a single SB13 Ultra for a smaller music/movie room around 1600 cf. The SB13 Ultra will
be here Saturday. I will use this room for music mostly. From what I have been reading in this thread I should be
ok with just one SB13 Ultra. Duals would be nice if I had a bigger music room but, heck even for that room now but
funds are at an end with these major purchases. I think I will be happy with both of these setups.

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I had an SB13-Ultra in my 1700 cf family room, when I tested it it was just hitting its limiters at reference levels depending on the source of course. I likely would have been satisfied with just that one sub if I wasn't a bit of a bass-head. Now it is being used in my new house in my kids game room, which is probably closer to 1300cf or thereabouts. Was somewhat comparable to the PB13-Ultra I had in the same room except the PB13 had more headroom of course, simply because my room was small enough that is. As the room gets larger the SB13 would pale in comparison I'm sure.

Dual PB12 Plus's would put it to shame output-wise of course, can't beat hoffman's iron law after all so if you can fit the larger ported woofers, go for it!
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I had an SB13-Ultra in my 1700 cf family room, when I tested it it was just hitting its limiters at reference levels depending on the source of course. I likely would have been satisfied with just that one sub if I wasn't a bit of a bass-head. Now it is being used in my new house in my kids game room, which is probably closer to 1300cf or thereabouts. Was somewhat comparable to the PB13-Ultra I had in the same room except the PB13 had more headroom of course, simply because my room was small enough that is. As the room gets larger the SB13 would pale in comparison I'm sure.

Dual PB12 Plus's would put it to shame output-wise of course, can't beat hoffman's iron law after all so if you can fit the larger ported woofers, go for it!
Thanks for the input. I'm more than happy with the dual PB12 Plus's in the theatre room. Took a little time to get used to
the size of those. I think I will also be more than thrilled with the single SB13 Ultra in the smaller music room. If I ever end
up with a larger room if funds are available I can add another. Once the SB13 Ultra arrives I will hopefully find I have accomplished
my goals with upgrading my subs for both room setups. Time to start selling some older gear to offset these major purchases.

I did consider going with a PB12 Plus for the music room, it does sound nice for music as well. After reading these threads I felt the SB13Ultra was the way to go. Plus it will be nice to have 2 different kinds of subs

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Just finished calibrating my system for the living room. Just added the new SB13 Ultra. Using Energy Veritas V2.2i speakers X5 along with it.
So far so good. Its a big living room and I am sure dual SB13 Ultra's would be the best way to go but one will have to do. I just use this room
for television and it will double as a music system. I have a theatre room with a 9.2 setup running dual PB12 Plus's for the serious movie watching.

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Well after spending a few days with the SB13 Ultra in my living room my conclusion is I need dual subs in that 4800 cf space.
The output just isn't there for that large a space. My dual S12.3 subs fill the space much better. The SB13 Ultra is a nice sounding
sub and I would love to keep it, just not sure were to use it. 2 SB13 Ultras are out of the question due to the cost.

I have considered dual SB-2000 but I am not sure they would fill the space any better than my dual S12.3 I put back in
the living room. Space for subs in living room has to be taken into consideration so thats another reason I went with the SB-Series.
My dual S12.3 are ported but the foot print for each sub is just under the size of the SB13 Ultra. A different ported sub that would
out perform the S12.3 is going to be larger in size so that will not work.

I have a smaller den around 1400cf that I moved the SB13 Ultra to and it works in that room. I got to really test it out last night in that room
and was impressed with it. I don't use this room a whole lot, just movies once in awhile or some music. The price of the SB13 Ultra just
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Thanks for sharing your SB13ULTRA experience with us. I wish you many years of enjoyment with your subwoofer. I have dual sb13ultras in a 1,800 square foot dedicated room for 100% movie watching. Very pleased with it quality and sound wise. I do not think I will be needing to upgrade in the next 20 years if it doesn't break. They are paired with PSB speakers. Attached are pics so you have an idea of my set up. More power to SVS!

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Thanks for sharing your SB13ULTRA experience with us. I wish you many years of enjoyment with your subwoofer. I have dual sb13ultras in a 1,800 square foot dedicated room for 100% movie watching. Very pleased with it quality and sound wise. I do not think I will be needing to upgrade in the next 20 years if it doesn't break. They are paired with PSB speakers. Attached are pics so you have an idea of my set up. More power to SVS!

Nice looking setup! The duals look great!

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After nearly 20 years, my REL Storm started crackling during high volume playback last night. When I bought it, I had a HUGE 43" Rear Projection TV being fed by VHF tapes. Then that new fangled DVD technology soon afterward!

SB13-Ultra on its way to my house now! A sub worthy of my 118" Projection screen!


I'll open up the REL this winter and see if I can get it back to 100%, it's probably the electrolytic caps drying out. It will make a great 2 channel music sub if I can get it sorted out.


Thanks for the great info/forum.


Room is 13x25x8 (2600 cuft)

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Beautiful setup, Lancito.

Music area: Magnepan 3.6, McIntosh MC2205 amp & C48 preamp, SVS SB13-Ultra, Oppo BDP 95, dbx 3BX, and assorted equipment.
Movie area: EMP Tek E5Bi (were rebadged to R5Bi), RBH/EMP Tek R55Ti, PSA S3000i, Denon X2000, Oppo BDP 83.
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Installed my SB13-Ultra, very pleased.

I installed the new sub on Wed (nice fast delivery from SVS!).

Audyssey 32xt volume setting is -14db. I expected a low setting, since my Thiels are not very loud.

I have since bumped it up to -13db.

The sub completely disappears while listening to music, it fills in beautifully for the missing low frequencies of my Thiels. I'm really impressed with the 'speed', as it is perfectly integrated sound.
In fact, it sounds as if my main speakers are actually providing all the bass!

I watched a few scenes from the recent Star Trek movie and the explosions great, but not mind shattering. I wasn't listening at anywhere near reference levels, but could still hear/feel the low rumble when the enterprise scraped on the wreckage around Vulcan. Watched a couple of the Star Wars movies on BluRay and am thoroughly impressed with the subs performance.

I have the Soundpath isolation feet on the sub.

Negatives (all minor):
1) I don't like the user interface, as it just isn't intuitive to me. It seems like I get stuck in the menu and have to click/double click/cycle through ... Might be a training issue.
2) It's tough to see the display (with my 50+ year old eyes) when the Sub is positioned near a wall (about a foot). It would be great if the display swiveled upward to be seen from above; or was mounted at a 45 degree upward angle.

All in all, I'm very pleased with the sub.

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After nearly 20 years, my REL Storm started crackling during high volume playback last night. When I bought it, I had a HUGE 43" Rear Projection TV being fed by VHF tapes. Then that new fangled DVD technology soon afterward!

SB13-Ultra on its way to my house now! A sub worthy of my 118" Projection screen!


I'll open up the REL this winter and see if I can get it back to 100%, it's probably the electrolytic caps drying out. It will make a great 2 channel music sub if I can get it sorted out.


Thanks for the great info/forum.


Room is 13x25x8 (2600 cuft)

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Negatives (all minor):
1) I don't like the user interface, as it just isn't intuitive to me. It seems like I get stuck in the menu and have to click/double click/cycle through ... Might be a training issue.
2) It's tough to see the display (with my 50+ year old eyes) when the Sub is positioned near a wall (about a foot). It would be great if the display swiveled upward to be seen from above; or was mounted at a 45 degree upward angle.

All in all, I'm very pleased with the sub.

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It takes a little while to get use to the digital display, and my eyes are older than yours . Since I have my sub on furniture sliders (I'd never use isolators), I just pull it out and set it, push it back, then audition. Rinse and repeat until you’re happy. After that, you’re not likely to touch the controls again.

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SB13-Ultra showed up, Yay!! As my older Integra AVR self calibration is only the XT version and i really didn't like what it took away from the sub as well at it wanted mains and center at full range, i opted to go manual mode. Front mains at 80Hz/Center 70Hz/,,,,, front end sounds much crisper,, the rest of the surrounds at 80Hz. LFE at 120Hz with the 25Hz setting a little hotter at +3. Left sub at default volume and the AVR sub channel volume quite hot at +6. My living room is terrible for quality bass as there are no 90 degree corners as the room is hexagon shaped with floor to ceiling windows thus the reason i have everything a little hot.

First impression as i've put the sub through about two hours of listening, (i know that's not much), It took me about an hour to get used to the different tuning vs my SPL1200-R. I'm very impressed so far with how it has made the music sound. Other than the +3 on the 25Hz setting,,, everything else i left flat. Took me a little bit to get used to how well it performs above 40Hz,, complimenting my week KSB-3.1 mains. Definetly new rattles throughout the house.

Decided it was time to throw on a movie (Jurrasic Park 3) in DTS-ES-Matrix. I'll cut to the chase,, when the plane crashed into the woods and was hitting the trees, the impact was felt with authority. Shorty after when the T-Rex was fighting what ever that other thing was called all i did was smile then check the windows to make sure they didn't crack. (slight exaggeration).

So compared to my Velodyne SPL1200-R in this early stage,, i'm finding what i had hoped for. Deeper lows, more volume with no straining, and a unexpected improvement in music as this larger sub handles higher frequencies very well.

If it's true that a sub needs a break in period, then i guess there will be better performance to come. Cheers!!
Hi,

This is an older post that I am just reading now, so I don't know if you will notice my response, or whether it will be helpful to you. But, FWIW, if I were you I would still try running my system with Audyssey XT. When Audyssey does it's calibration, it uses a 75db test tone to set all channels, including the sub, to play at the same volume at the MLP. It is pretty typical for most people to want elevated bass, so most add of us add anywhere from +3 to +6db to their sub(s) post calibration. Some of us add even more. Doing that doesn't alter the filters that Audyssey sets in order to remove distortion from the sub/room interaction.

Similarly, Audyssey reports the F3 point (the low frequency where a speaker is down in volume by 3db) to the AVR, which then sets crossovers based on its own internal algorithm. So, if you want to manually change the crossovers to 80Hz (or to anything higher than where your Integra set them) that is perfectly fine, and will again not interfere in any way with Audyssey's room correction efforts.

But the actual room correction that Audyssey does can be very helpful, particularly for bass frequencies. So, if you want to try it, you can have your cake and eat it too, insofar as the manual settings you mentioned. The FAQ, linked below, contains a lot of useful information about how to use Audyssey, and if you ever have additional questions there are usually people willing to help out.

I hope that this explanation helps out a little. And congratulations on your new SB-Ultra!

Regards,
Mike

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It takes a little while to get use to the digital display, and my eyes are older than yours . Since I have my sub on furniture sliders (I'd never use isolators), I just pull it out and set it, push it back, then audition. Rinse and repeat until you’re happy. After that, you’re not likely to touch the controls again.
Yep, probably won't touch it much. I like how tight the bass is, I really don't like boominess at all, that's why I can't stand a sub that is in a corner.

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Hi,

This is an older post that I am just reading now, so I don't know if you will notice my response, or whether it will be helpful to you. But, FWIW, if I were you I would still try running my system with Audyssey XT. When Audyssey does it's calibration, it uses a 75db test tone to set all channels, including the sub, to play at the same volume at the MLP. It is pretty typical for most people to want elevated bass, so most add of us add anywhere from +3 to +6db to their sub(s) post calibration. Some of us add even more. Doing that doesn't alter the filters that Audyssey sets in order to remove distortion from the sub/room interaction.

Similarly, Audyssey reports the F3 point (the low frequency where a speaker is down in volume by 3db) to the AVR, which then sets crossovers based on its own internal algorithm. So, if you want to manually change the crossovers to 80Hz (or to anything higher than where your Integra set them) that is perfectly fine, and will again not interfere in any way with Audyssey's room correction efforts.

But the actual room correction that Audyssey does can be very helpful, particularly for bass frequencies. So, if you want to try it, you can have your cake and eat it too, insofar as the manual settings you mentioned. The FAQ, linked below, contains a lot of useful information about how to use Audyssey, and if you ever have additional questions there are usually people willing to help out.

I hope that this explanation helps out a little. And congratulations on your new SB-Ultra!

Regards,
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Sorry i didn't get back to you sooner as i have been having a heck of a time getting my new password to work. Got it sorted out now.

Yes i did do multiple runs of Audyssey and then tweaked the sub and speaker outputs to my taste. This way i do know my Integra has done the X-overs for me. Sound is fantastic,,,, my Klipsch speakers are crisp, and i have the SB 13Ultra shaking the house. Just the other day i had Avitar playing and had to let the dog out in the back yard. I didn't pause the movie and had the door closed while i was outside with the hound,,, well good god the gutters and soffets were rattling and are forty feet away from the sub. The window which is thirty feet from the sub was flexing to the point that any reflection was distorting the image,,,, i could see the window moving back and forth. This is in a 28'X 14' with 8 foot ceilings, and is open to a foyer and long hallway. Very impressive sub!! It is an improvement over my Velodyne SPL 1200-R.
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Sorry i didn't get back to you sooner as i have been having a heck of a time getting my new password to work. Got it sorted out now.

Yes i did do multiple runs of Audyssey and then tweaked the sub and speaker outputs to my taste. This way i do know my Integra has done the X-overs for me. Sound is fantastic,,,, my Klipsch speakers are crisp, and i have the SB 13Ultra shaking the house. Just the other day i had Avitar playing and had to let the dog out in the back yard. I didn't pause the movie and had the door closed while i was outside with the hound,,, well good god the gutters and soffets were rattling and are forty feet away from the sub. The window which is thirty feet from the sub was flexing to the point that any reflection was distorting the image,,,, i could see the window moving back and forth. This is in a 28'X 14' with 8 foot ceilings, and is open to a foyer and long hallway. Very impressive sub!! It is an improvement over my Velodyne SPL 1200-R.

Outstanding! That's good to hear.

I am glad that you are enjoying things, and thanks for responding.

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