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Oh that makes sense. If I play them at the same level then the sealed rolls off less but I can play the ported louder with less power and you can really feel it.

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I need to update my numbers since my latest build is finally done.
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I need to update my numbers since my latest build is finally done.


The concrete floor will probably be similar to a suspended wood floor after your current build Luke
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I need to update my numbers since my latest build is finally done.
Videos or it didn't happen. Also, what are your plans for the rest of the house, structurally?
Im sure the room itself is well built, and being on slab helps, but you seem to be at the point other rooms will still potentially be seeing upwards of 130dB.

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Videos or it didn't happen. Also, what are your plans for the rest of the house, structurally?
Im sure the room itself is well built, and being on slab helps, but you seem to be at the point other rooms will still potentially be seeing upwards of 130dB.
With my limited ceiling height I don't think anything else can be done. I did double stud and double 5/8" drywall the walls of the HT, and that did help, but I don't any any other plans in mind.
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At some point containing ULF becomes futile, well maybe it will help with other structures located close by....... like 500 feet away maybe....

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Hi guys. Is there any way to know what frequency is used in a scene? The Dark Knight has this scene where batman makes a jump from like 6 floor high and lands on top of a van. I think this is witing 20 mins of movie. Its the 2nd action scene in the movie. I wanted to know what frequency range that bass effect is it when he lands on the van.
I setup my brother's HT and in his HT, it sounds super punchy. In my room, I get all punch but not as much as he does. If I know what frequency this scene is in, I can focus on that part in FR and compare to see why such difference in impact. Please let me know if there is any confusion about the scene I'm referring to and I can then go and look the exact time stamp its in.

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LOL! Thanks @Superfist! I'm not really active on youtube...but appreciate the support!

Also, allow me to embed for ease...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL-N...ature=youtu.be
This is exactly what I'm looking for. What is it that you used to get this graph? Sorry new to this thread and planning to read it but couldn't resist. This graph is clearly shows what's going on in the scene.
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Hi guys. Is there any way to know what frequency is used in a scene? The Dark Knight has this scene where batman makes a jump from like 6 floor high and lands on top of a van. I think this is witing 20 mins of movie. Its the 2nd action scene in the movie. I wanted to know what frequency range that bass effect is it when he lands on the van.
I setup my brother's HT and in his HT, it sounds super punchy. In my room, I get all punch but not as much as he does. If I know what frequency this scene is in, I can focus on that part in FR and compare to see why such difference in impact. Please let me know if there is any confusion about the scene I'm referring to and I can then go and look the exact time stamp its in.

Appreciate it.
you can extract the audio and run it through an analyser, you can see loads of this in the movies with bass thread(s) e.g. https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-su...mate-list.html

if you post the start/end timestamp you're interested in and I'm sure someone will post the chart
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you can extract the audio and run it through an analyser, you can see loads of this in the movies with bass thread(s) e.g. https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-su...mate-list.html

if you post the start/end timestamp you're interested in and I'm sure someone will post the chart
I thought that RTA from REW would do that???? Placing Mic at MLP and then playing the clip should show it in real time in RTA.
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I thought that RTA from REW would do that???? Placing Mic at MLP and then playing the clip should show it in real time in RTA.
it will show you what your room is playing at that point in space according to whatever RTA params you use

analysing the track itself will give you an accurate picture of the actual content
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it will show you what your room is playing at that point in space according to whatever RTA params you use

analysing the track itself will give you an accurate picture of the actual content
Right on sir. The clip that I included in my first post I think shows how it sounds in the room as well but you are right that if I can record it and then run it through some analyzer, it will show what's really in the clip.
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I have that disc so if you post the timestamps then I can analyse that section
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Yeah something like SpecLab or similar that they use in the movies bass section will be the most accurate, but REW RTA will give you a pretty good idea as well at the MLP ...IF your FR is pretty flat. Otherwise it's going to be heavily influenced by your room (FR) like 3ll3d00d was saying, instead of what is in the actual mix. That's ok too if you know this and wanting to see what your actually getting at the MLP, even if you FR is not real flat (just keep that in mind though when analyzing it).

Mine is pretty flat at the MLP and is why I ran those REW RTA clips for mid bass in the MBM thread the other day to see where it was hitting for that mid bass punch feel that I was feeling. But the most accurate way to see what frequencies are actually there in the mix will be Speclab etc. Another way you could use REW RTA to be a little more accurate if your FR at the MLP isn't real flat, is to run REW RTA with a close 1" mic reading (to take the room out of the equation on your time stamp) with no Room Correction at all engaged (Audyssy, Dirac, etc) as long as that reads pretty flat with a REW sweep, which it should on most ID subs and possibly a little PEQ on DIY and some LowShelf on sealed DIY to get it flat.

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Here is the response from the sp1-4000



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I have that disc so if you post the timestamps then I can analyse that section
Thx for the offer. I'll post the timstamps tomorrow. Didn't know of your post otherwise would have done it by now. Its the scene where he lands right on top of car and catches the drug dealer who was escaping. Its the scene where 2 other fake batman guys also show and then he finally arrives and chases the dealer and finally makes the jump off 4th or 5th floor and lands on car top. That very landing has great punch in chest at my brother place but not so much in mine. I'll post the timing but described just for the mean while.
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Yeah something like SpecLab or similar that they use in the movies bass section will be the most accurate, but REW RTA will give you a pretty good idea as well at the MLP ...IF your FR is pretty flat. Otherwise it's going to be heavily influenced by your room (FR) like 3ll3d00d was saying, instead of what is in the actual mix. That's ok too if you know this and wanting to see what your actually getting at the MLP, even if you FR is not real flat (just keep that in mind though when analyzing it).

Mine is pretty flat at the MLP and is why I ran those REW RTA clips for mid bass in the MBM thread the other day to see where it was hitting for that mid bass punch feel that I was feeling. But the most accurate way to see what frequencies are actually there in the mix will be Speclab etc. Another way you could use REW RTA to be a little more accurate if your FR at the MLP isn't real flat, is to run REW RTA with a close 1" mic reading (to take the room out of the equation on your time stamp) with no Room Correction at all engaged (Audyssy, Dirac, etc) as long as that reads pretty flat with a REW sweep, which it should on most ID subs and possibly a little PEQ on DIY and some LowShelf on sealed DIY to get it flat.
The main purpose of seeing wasn't to see what movie has but to see what I have in room (including room reaction) to see why a certain scene doesn't sound as it should. My approach could be wrong here but what I wanted to do was to see which freq range spikes when he lands on the top of car. But as I'm typing this, I realized that I need to know what really is going on in that scene without any room effect. Then I could focus on that frequency range.

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Wow. Nice room gain below 20Hz. In my case, I have very good gain below 20 in front of room but very bad below 50. So had to place subs on the back or room. There, I get good FR all across and 5dB gain around 30Hz but it drops like crazy after 20. Oh well, garra like with what I have

Will post my FR tomorrow. I composed it today and with a quick test of some scenes, it did have very nice and clean punch.
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Inuke 6K

I believe you use this one for Movies? Do you mind posting up to 1000Hz? Want to see how the CO region looks like as well and a bit below. I do like the 50Hz boost there.
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Thx for the offer. I'll post the timstamps tomorrow. Didn't know of your post otherwise would have done it by now. Its the scene where he lands right on top of car and catches the drug dealer who was escaping. Its the scene where 2 other fake batman guys also show and then he finally arrives and chases the dealer and finally makes the jump off 4th or 5th floor and lands on car top. That very landing has great punch in chest at my brother place but not so much in mine. I'll post the timing but described just for the mean while.
that bit is at about 00:10:12 if you're referring to the part where he actually lands on the van, it's not a particularly intense scene mind you and the main content is centred at ~27Hz and ~44Hz

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that bit is at about 00:10:12 if you're referring to the part where he actually lands on the van, it's not a particularly intense scene mind you and the main content is centred at ~27Hz and ~44Hz

Yep that's the scene. Thx a lot. I think now I know why it was punchier in my brother place as compared to mine. In his case, he didn't get much tactile even though he's on suspended floor and I get a lot of it. Also, mMy subs have this roaring and scary feel to them but subs in his room don't even though they are SI18 DIY. Don't think its subs but something with his system. Many scenes in his system were missing the low bass effects and we had to crack up the bass a lot to get close to that feeling.

May I ask what you used to capture that info?
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I use jriver to mix down to mono then fed that into speclab
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Fast forward a full year and I am still "working on it", but here is my ULF Score for the end of summer 2018:

Not quite there yet, but very very close to these numbers... 1 or 2 more boxes away.
(Your list doesn't have PA-460's so I had to approximate.)

I will be adding another 2 or 4 subs, at the very most, but that's about it. I'm throwing down the towel.
It's not practical or sensical to go much further.




I think it is finally "enough bass".
(at least for this room size... )
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What do you do if you have subs not on the list ? Like DIY...

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It seems like this scorecard should be based on the onset of compression at the MLP using REW and accelerometer measurements

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It seems like this scorecard should be based on the onset of compression at the MLP using REW and accelerometer measurements
I agree, but it defiantly cuts down on the number of users who could participate. This calculator is nice, because I don't have to push my system to its limits to get an idea of what its capable of.

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Cool, this thread is still going!!!

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Good to see you around JapanDave. I finally bought a couple XXX 18s to see what they were about and now I want more. They sound much better than any other sub system I owned before.

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It seems like this scorecard should be based on the onset of compression at the MLP using REW and accelerometer measurements
For some of the larger systems, there is almost no mic that could withstand the SPL, and neither could our ears.

Few can afford the aco pacific 170db capsules and pre-amps needed for such activities, the same kind of $2000+ mic rig's that data-bass uses, for one example.

[Bass: All I'm hearing are excuses here! ]

It's also nice for everyone to not have to smoke their speakers and subs just to see a number one position higher, or prove a point, or compare, or measure the longest distance of the yellow streaks in the snow, or whatever it IS that we use this thread FOR...

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Good to see you around JapanDave. I finally bought a couple XXX 18s to see what they were about and now I want more. They sound much better than any other sub system I owned before.
Awesome, how is the low base with them?

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Awesome, how is the low base with them?
It is hard to describe but nothing has been more violent in my room.

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