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When you say PB13U had thicker sound compared to FV15HP; what were the settings on FV15HP amp? Where did you set the damping knob (High/Med/Low)?

the rythmik was usually in 12Hz tune with High damping so im sure that contributed to the sound

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the rythmik was usually in 12Hz tune with High damping so im sure that contributed to the sound

well that's the difference...for home theatre Brian recommends the low damping setting to thicken the bass.
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the rythmik was usually in 12Hz tune with High damping so im sure that contributed to the sound

basshead81 is right and that was the reason you found low end on PB13U fatter than the same on FV15HP. In 14hz tune with high damping, FV15HP is giving up 30Hz-60Hz (chest slam) big time anyway to accommodate depth.


Anyone who owns FV15HP and using it in 20Hz tune with low damping pls chime in. Need some subjective input on how this sub performs with those settings

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I think I can interpret what you are saying and the kind of fat low end I want is what SVS has. Rythmiks belt out tight bass; but the dampening can be increased/decreased in Rythmik; how much??? I don't know. I think I read somewhere that dampening switch must not be on low setting coupled with the rumble filter set to off on Rythmik FV15HP in 2 ports open mode or it will void warranty.

I don't know if it's true or not.

Yeah it looks as though you have the reach-out that I would suggest. Like said I never had the opportunityy to use one of Rythmik's amp offerings since there was no Rythmik at the time, although Brian was building a few subs. Have you any better idea on the cost of shipping now?

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basshead81 is right and that was the reason you found low end on PB13U fatter than the same on FV15HP. In 14hz tune with high damping, FV15HP is giving up 30Hz-60Hz (chest slam) big time anyway to accommodate depth.


Anyone who owns FV15HP and using it in 20Hz tune with low damping pls chime in. Need some subjective input on how this sub performs with those settings

I tried it in low damping. I preferred it on high damping. I still preferred the pb13 to the Rythmik in any setting.

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This is being over thought. They are both awesome. Pick the one that interests you most or matches with the rest of your setup or whatever.
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I have owned both and really loved both. I really can't compare them side by side though since I had them in different rooms. I am by no means a "audiophile" and have zero equipment to test the two but I thought the Rythmik "felt" deeper than the SVS. If you purchased either, you would be totally happy unless you were one of the bass nutz that frequent these pages. Basically, flip a coin. Both are overkill for 99.98% of the population.

I am also testing a Earthquake Supernova 12" and I think the Rythmik and SVS dug deeper but the mid bass feels more "impact-full" than both. I have also switched receivers since the SVS and the Rythmik though. It never ends...smile.gif

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After going through features of both subs from A to Z, multiple user/expert reviews, and tons of deep brooding; I think the only two things that significantly set PC13U apart from FV15HP is placement friendliness and $200 extra price tag. While the former is the requirement; the later will be an unwanted sour pill I have to swallow. But, at the same time, I hope those extra $200 that SVS charges for PC13U go in driver and amp quality.

So, I'm finally locked on PC13 Ultra and looking forward to experiencing what all the hype is about when it comes to true subwoofers. I hope it works well for me.

Thanx folks for the valuable input. However, um still expecting more input from people who actually own PC13 Ultra.

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^ I have had a PC13U for a few years, my room is ~1950 cu ft. It is a good sub, and I got it for its small footprint and very flexible placement and connection options. To be honest, if Rythmiks were easier to get in Canada, and less expensive to ship, I would have seriously considered one. They were just becoming more available at the time IIRC, and some guys "locally" I think were trying to do a bulk buy to reduce shipping costs (truck). Still a pain to actually get to me. e.g. even the PC13U comes in a huge box that won't fit in a typical car. The other feature of the PC13U I liked and specifically wanted was the option to use it in sealed mode. I like sealed subs for music. And of course, as often happens, things don't go how you thought and the sub seemed plenty tight enough to me for music in vented mode and I have never even tried it sealed... I use the sub far more for movies than music anyway.

Even in a room about our size, or just about any room really, you should consider two (at least!) subs. That is if you want to experience a better overall sound in a larger seating area. You will find a single sub very "node-y", it's physics and you can't do much about it except with more sources (subs) and/or treatments that could easily cost more than a sub and maybe take up even more space. The lower the sub goes (and the source), the more you'll notice the nodes. Two subs is substantially better than one sub, but OTOH quality counts too. The PC13U is pretty good quality. If there are typically only a couple people listening in close proximity, then one sub can be quite adequate. All I'm saying is maybe plan for two subs in the future, and ideally they would be very similar. It is possible, for instance and sticking with SVS, that two PB12-NSDs would give a better overall experience for a family than a single PC13U for roughly the same money (but higher shipping cost I'll guess). OTOH, if I want, a single PC13U can shake my whole room more than I'm comfortable with...
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I think I can interpret what you are saying and the kind of fat low end I want is what SVS has. Rythmiks belt out tight bass; but the dampening can be increased/decreased in Rythmik; how much??? I don't know. I think I read somewhere that dampening switch must not be on low setting coupled with the rumble filter set to off on Rythmik FV15HP in 2 ports open mode or it will void warranty.

I don't know if it's true or not.
Rumble filter must be set to position 2/ON when the sub is in 2 ports mode. Position 2 = 2 ports mode. Simple as that.
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After going through features of both subs from A to Z, multiple user/expert reviews, and tons of deep brooding; I think the only two things that significantly set PC13U apart from FV15HP is placement friendliness and $200 extra price tag. While the former is the requirement; the later will be an unwanted sour pill I have to swallow. But, at the same time, I hope those extra $200 that SVS charges for PC13U go in driver and amp quality.

So, I'm finally locked on PC13 Ultra and looking forward to experiencing what all the hype is about when it comes to true subwoofers. I hope it works well for me.

Thanx folks for the valuable input. However, um still expecting more input from people who actually own PC13 Ultra.

I think either are a good choice but if I am spending that much coin then I would take the sub that has a 9db advantage at 12hz which is the FV15HP.
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I think either are a good choice but if I am spending that much coin then I would take the sub that has a 9db advantage at 12hz which is the FV15HP.

I dig, but that extra extension is coming at more cost than what some might realize. In defense of the OP, this seems to be a concern and quite understandable imo considering the ULTRA has things covered quite well.

While the former is the requirement

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After going through features of both subs from A to Z, multiple user/expert reviews, and tons of deep brooding; I think the only two things that significantly set PC13U apart from FV15HP is placement friendliness and $200 extra price tag. While the former is the requirement; the later will be an unwanted sour pill I have to swallow. But, at the same time, I hope those extra $200 that SVS charges for PC13U go in driver and amp quality.

So, I'm finally locked on PC13 Ultra and looking forward to experiencing what all the hype is about when it comes to true subwoofers. I hope it works well for me.

Thanx folks for the valuable input. However, um still expecting more input from people who actually own PC13 Ultra.

I just upgraded to the PC12+ version in a 1650^3 foot room. It's an incredible experience and my first sub that does < than 20hz. I run it in 16hz mode. It sounds just as good with music as it does with movies.

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I have never heard the Rythmik but I have owned a few SVS subs. Their bass is not thick. The word I have always used to describe the bass from them is muscular. I had the first generation PB12-Plus so I can only imagine how much more potent the Ultra 13 is.
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Thanks folks for the input. I guess I know what I actually want now. As regards depth; I think um comfortable with close to 16-17Hz. PC13U in 20Hz mode has useful output down down to 16Hz. In my room it should be flat till 15-16Hz. I think that's enough. As my DIY sub does hit close to 117dB at 17Hz with useful output down to 13Hz in my room, but I don't want a huge box taking up a lotta space + plus it is terribly heavy.

As regards duals, I will use my current PSB S300 for the time being, which I can't compare with PC13U but it is super clean and loud down to 25Hz. So, it will help smooth out the response till 25Hz.

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Thanks folks for the input. I guess I know what I actually want now. As regards depth; I think um comfortable with close to 16-17Hz. PC13U in 20Hz mode has useful output down down to 16Hz. In my room it should be flat till 15-16Hz. I think that's enough. As my DIY sub does hit close to 117dB at 17Hz with useful output down to 13Hz in my room, but I don't want a huge box taking up a lotta space + plus it is terribly heavy.

As regards duals, I will use my current PSB S300 for the time being, which I can't compare with PC13U but it is super clean and loud down to 25Hz. So, it will help smooth out the response till 25Hz.

Thanks again everybody. Time to shoot an email to Ed Mullen biggrin.gif

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Had a talk with SVS rep and it seems like their payment mode for international sales may be a deal breaker. I've shot an email to rythmik; i'd go with with fv15hp piano gloss if they accept international credit cards online.

I was surprised to hear from SVS rep that FV15HP was in the league of PB-12 Plus and PC13-U was superior to FV15HP in terms of output above 20Hz. I think this is not true.

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Depending on which measurements you look at, it is true in some cases, but definitely not across the board.

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Depending on which measurements you look at, it is true in some cases, but definitely not across the board.

Yeah it seems like I remember a certain thread the PLUS measurement issue coming up. smile.gif The Plus is quite a substantial sub in it’s own right that’s for sure.
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Maybe the HP is your destiny then? Lets hope it’s not the same case with Rythmik?

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Ordered FV15HP in piano black today. Will be out for shipment on its long journey to Pakistan. Can't wait.
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Ordered FV15HP in piano black today. Will be out for shipment on its long journey to Pakistan. Can't wait.

I would have loved to get the piano black. I'd even have black matte over the black oak. But oh well when it comes down to it I care more about performance al then looks so I'm happy with the Black oak

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Ordered FV15HP in piano black today. Will be out for shipment on its long journey to Pakistan. Can't wait.

Sweet! and so it begins.. cool.gif

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I would have loved to get the piano black. I'd even have black matte over the black oak. But oh well when it comes down to it I care more about performance al then looks so I'm happy with the Black oak

Are u going to get duals?

Though I don't have the room for duals considering the size of fv15hp; but I think I will order the second one. But it won't be before a year.

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That's cool, hey ya never know..aybe one fv15hp will be ebough anyway:cool:

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Finally Elvis has left the building. Can't wait.......

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The sad news is that I'll have to wait another week till I get FV15HP mad.gif. Anyway I was getting bored, so thought let's try some new thing for other's info, so, I integrated two ported subs tuned to different frequencies (PSB S300 (27Hz) and Alpine DIY (21Hz)). Subs are placed diagonally. Alpine in the front right corner and PSB in the rear left corner.

Here is the subs-only response without any EQ;



Sounds great and enjoying natural 7dB house curve till the time FV15HP arrives wink.gif

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The sad news is that I'll have to wait another week till I get FV15HP mad.gif. Anyway I was getting bored, so thought let's try some new thing for other's info, so, I integrated two ported subs tuned to different frequencies (PSB S300 (27Hz) and Alpine DIY (21Hz)). Subs are placed diagonally. Alpine in the front right corner and PSB in the rear left corner.

Here is the subs-only response without any EQ;



Sounds great and enjoying natural 7dB house curve till the time FV15HP arrives wink.gif
Wow!
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