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Just checking opinions on the Outlaw LFM-1 EX sub vs the HSU VTF-2 MK4 sub. My buddy is looking into a new downfiring subwoofer and wanted to see what you guys thought on these two subs. Good, Bad, Experiences??

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For more depth and power definitely the Outlaw. If you want more options and plan on changing the port plugs a lot then the HSU. BUT also the LFM-1 EX is more comparable to the Hsu VTF3- MK2 or MK3. Even the LFM-1 Plus has more amp power than the VTF2 MK4 but its all in what you want for a sub and what matters most to you. I have 2 Outlaw Audio LFM-1 Plus's and love them. I bought both of them for $998 shipped, my only regret is that I didn't wait for the EX to go on sale which that year 2 of the EX's would have been $1098 shipped. I love the all downfiring design, its very kid and pet friendly and with the smoke plexiglass inlaid top it looks more like an end table than a sub.

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For more depth and power definitely the Outlaw. If you want more options and plan on changing the port plugs a lot then the HSU. BUT also the LFM-1 EX is more comparable to the Hsu VTF3- MK2 or MK3. Even the LFM-1 Plus has more amp power than the VTF2 MK4 but its all in what you want for a sub and what matters most to you. I have 2 Outlaw Audio LFM-1 Plus's and love them. I bought both of them for $998 shipped, my only regret is that I didn't wait for the EX to go on sale which that year 2 of the EX's would have been $1098 shipped. I love the all downfiring design, its very kid and pet friendly and with the smoke plexiglass inlaid top it looks more like an end table than a sub.

Thanks for the info, he is looking for a downfire sub. I didn't see any of those other subs you mentioned on HSU website besides the VTF-3 MK4 and it's not a downfire sub. Does anybody have any other suggestions for down fire sub other than what I have mentioned? Or are those pretty close to the best available in the $600-$700 price range?

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For more depth and power definitely the Outlaw. If you want more options and plan on changing the port plugs a lot then the HSU. BUT also the LFM-1 EX is more comparable to the Hsu VTF3- MK2 or MK3. Even the LFM-1 Plus has more amp power than the VTF2 MK4 but its all in what you want for a sub and what matters most to you. I have 2 Outlaw Audio LFM-1 Plus's and love them. I bought both of them for $998 shipped, my only regret is that I didn't wait for the EX to go on sale which that year 2 of the EX's would have been $1098 shipped. I love the all downfiring design, its very kid and pet friendly and with the smoke plexiglass inlaid top it looks more like an end table than a sub.

Also he is looking for what we all look for I'm guessing, depth, power and clarity/clean bass over a cloudy sub you would go buy at best buy.

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The VTF3 MK4 is not a down firing sub. Also MK4 basically means its the 4th version of that sub. The Oulaw EX did'nt have any changes to it so its like the VTF3 mk 2 or 3 I forget which one. BTW HSU helped Outlaw design their subs. My point is if your buddy cares more about power and depth and spl then go with the Outlaw EX. If he is interested more in features and switching settings on the sub he may want the HSU. IMO I would take the EX over the VTF2 MK4, I'd probably take the Plus over it as well. The outlaw's have downfiring ports so its not as easy to plug or unplug the ports while the HSU is rear ported.

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The HSU may be a lil cleaner but the Outlaw wins other than that.

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What about the Outlaw LFM-1 EX vs SVS PB12-NSD, I know they are two different set ups, but comparatively how do they match up?

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The SVS has better build quality, better warranty, and a flatter response overall, but the Outlaw will have more output above 30hz.

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Thanks for the info, he is looking for a downfire sub. I didn't see any of those other subs you mentioned on HSU website besides the VTF-3 MK4 and it's not a downfire sub. Does anybody have any other suggestions for down fire sub other than what I have mentioned? Or are those pretty close to the best available in the $600-$700 price range?

If you can go to $799, you can get the psa xv15. It costs more, but I think the extra cost is worth it. Sometimes you can get a B stock one for about $50 less.
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What about the Outlaw LFM-1 EX vs SVS PB12-NSD, I know they are two different set ups, but comparatively how do they match up?

You can compare then directly here: Outlaw EX and PB12-NSD.
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If you can go to $799, you can get the psa xv15. It costs more, but I think the extra cost is worth it. Sometimes you can get a B stock one for about $50 less.

I disagree, of course. The extra cost is not worth it for a lesser performing sub. Comparative measurements can be seen here.
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I disagree, of course. The extra cost is not worth it for a lesser performing sub. Comparative measurements can be seen here.

I see you still have a grudge against psa for some unknown reason.
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Citing measured data is a grudge?
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I must not understand the data cuz from what I read the XV15 looks to be one of the best subs for under $1k. Is the VTF-15H better I would probably say yes BUT it should be as its $200 more.

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The VTF15h isn't being discussed. The Outlaw LFM-1 EX is. It stays more accurate at a higher output level. The XV15 can get a hair louder but only with a deformed FR.
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The VTF15h isn't being discussed. The Outlaw LFM-1 EX is. It stays more accurate at a higher output level. The XV15 can get a hair louder but only with a deformed FR.

Its funny you recommend the PA-150 frequently yet it has one of the most deformed frequency responses out of all subs on data-bass.
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Its funny you recommend the PA-150 frequently yet it has one of the most deformed frequency responses out of all subs on data-bass.
There are plenty worse FRs on data-bass. However it is true that it does not have a great response, but I only recommend it for those on a real tight budget in a real large room, just so at least they will get some bass. It can pressurize a large area, which isn't something anything else in its price range (street price) can hope to do, with the exception of the Cadence CSX 15 above 60 Hz, but that has an even worse response. Anyway, you could get two PA-150s for nearly the same price as the XV15, and EQ them for a flat response, and that way you will get matching or better performance from 30 to 50 Hz, and vastly more dynamic range above that, although even two PA-150s can not quite match a XV15 for the 20s and lower, at least for bursts.
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Shady what do you recommend between his 2 optoins the Outlaw EX or the Hsu VTF2 MK4?

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The Outlaw will get louder and dig deeper. The Hsu likely has a flatter response and better port diameter for that cabinet and amp. If the room is small, I would go for the VTF2, but if the room is large, the LFM-1 EX.
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Just a consideration... the original LFM-1 was consulted on by Dr. Hsu of Hsu research. The LFM plus and ex are much older designs than the current Hsu line up. Whether Hsu has improved much in the time meanwhile, I really don't know. Just to throw that out there. However I'd bet they'd sound pretty similar. I'm sure you'll be happy with either. With room gain, both subs will extend well below 20hz and have pretty equal output.
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I own a LFM1EX, I am very satisfied with it.
LFM1EX To the door $740
VTF2MK4 To the door $586
If money is no issue go with Outlaw, if it is go with Hsu.
I really think it is as simple as that, both subs are well loved by users, they both measure well and both companies are well established with good records of customer service.

In the $750 price range this is also worth considering http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/cylinder/pc12-nsd#.UsOYA3-9KSM

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Just checking opinions on the Outlaw LFM-1 EX sub vs the HSU VTF-2 MK4 sub. My buddy is looking into a new downfiring subwoofer and wanted to see what you guys thought on these two subs. Good, Bad, Experiences??

You have a comparable SVS sub in the same price range.  How do you feel about it?

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You have a comparable SVS sub in the same price range.  How do you feel about it?

So far so good, It's totally different from what I was used too, I had a Klipsch SUB-12 downfire, rear port. The SVS is a front fire, front port sub. The downfall of my room is I only have the option of placing my sub in one spot. Initially I didn't like the way it sounded, but after talking with SVS customer service, they got me all dialed in on some settings. It sounds great and the range in much better than my previous sub. I will give it up to that Klipsch, it was a pretty decent sounding sub in my room, but the SVS is definitely better in all aspects. I had been used to the "boomy" bass and once I put this sub in, you don't get that boomy aspect anymore, so I thought I was a little unimpressed by the SVS, but once you run the Audessy and tweak on it a bit, it sounds great. I did have to turn the Gain up to about 2/3 level to get it where I wanted it, but SVS said that is normal. Overall very happy!

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