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My bad, seems i may have pushed a button by mistake. I just wanted a new subwoofer lol

Im going to look really hard at the outlaw, svs, hsu, and psa. I just want the best sub for the best value that will make me smile every time i play it for a few years smile.gif. I think i may have found a local buyer for the supercube so i can use that to fund my new sub. Im going to need to make a move fairly quick and decide. My 18 month old daughter is taking more of a liking to my supercube. I need to get something a little more sturdy and more kid proof. A front firing sub might not work so well for me if she goes poking around it. Its really hard to make a decision without auditioning subs, even though an in store audition will not tell the full story of how it would sound in my living room. I guess thats why i came here for y'alls (i apologize for my west texas ways) opinion. Again many thanks for the discussion. And tom i really appreciate you coming on here and discussing your product, that is really awesome.
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Actually, I do have an idea. I don't need your approval to know this to be a fact. Unbeknownst to you, as a consumer, I've been using this method to buy for a very long time and this method has proven to be an accurate indicator time and again. In the end, what you think of me has no bearing on my day, so, from the bottom of my naive heart, I wish you well.

Why is it that you take everything as an insult? The guy who calls himself ignorant and incompetent in every other post has some pretty thin skin, it seems.

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Why is it that you take everything as an insult? The guy who calls himself ignorant and incompetent in every other post has some pretty thin skin, it seems.

Okay, ya got me.....I'm ignorant, incompetent, thin skinned and now I'm egocentric. When someone directly addresses another, then it is about them, and not their ego. And when someone bags on another, it's because they are insulting them, and not complimenting them.

I'll let you have the last word so we can move forward. You don't like my advice and you don't like the way I recommend choosing a subwoofer related to PSA, based on consumer comments who have purchased and used PSA products. I got it.
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I haven't seen the $599 Rythmik LV12R mentioned much in the ~$700 sub threads, it only got on my radar after a very strong pitch was made for the more than twice as expensive FV15HP. Reviews suggest the LV12R fares very well against similarly priced competition, any thoughts on why it's not being mentioned more?

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I haven't seen the $599 Rythmik LV12R mentioned much in the ~$700 sub threads, it only got on my radar after a very strong pitch was made for the more than twice as expensive FV15HP. Reviews suggest the LV12R fares very well against similarly priced competition, any thoughts on why it's not being mentioned more?

No idea. The LV12R is the Top Dog of it's price point.
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Okay, ya got me.....I'm ignorant, incompetent, thin skinned and now I'm egocentric. When someone directly addresses another, then it is about them, and not their ego. And when someone bags on another, it's because they are insulting them, and not complimenting them.

I'll let you have the last word so we can move forward. You don't like my advice and you don't like the way I recommend choosing a subwoofer related to PSA, based on consumer comments who have purchased and used PSA products. I got it.

Whoa.

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Wow, I just read through this entire thread. It's been an interesting read but I kind of feel like I've seen it all before in other threads. 

 

To the OP, the bottom line is there are some very good subwoofers for $700 and below. I personally own the PSA XV15 and like it very much but that's $800 so it's a little past your price point. But the Hsu, Outlaw, SVS and Rythmik subs that are $700 and below are all known to be good products. The Rythmik LV12R mentioned by niccolo is supposed to be a very fine product and I was wondering why it wasn't talked about as I was reading through the thread. 

 

Good luck with your decision. Have fun as you research, subwoofer shopping should be enjoyable. :)


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You think you've seen it all before because you have!...lol

Every similar thread to this thread end up the exact same way, the only way to not have things get this out of hand is to go into each manufactures own thread and ask about the particular sub you're interested in and wait to read the responses. When its done like this for the most part people have enough respect to not go into those threads and start trashing that manufactures products.

Otherwise its a free for all and they end up just as this one did with name calling and sometimes guys getting infractions from the MODS or sometimes even banned.
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Don't forget the possible bias

No subwoofer I've heard has been able to produce the bass I've experienced in the Corps!

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Don't forget the possible bias

True, that would need to be taken into account but that same bias is still the same in these threads as in the other threads.
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So, I'm really not wanting to spend more than $550 or so once my tax refunds comes, I'm kind of deciding between an SVS SB-1000 or an Hsu VTF-2 MK4, any input? or other suggestions? I'm upgrading from a Polk Audio PSW111, so either way it will be a pretty big upgrade.

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So, I'm really not wanting to spend more than $550 or so once my tax refunds comes, I'm kind of deciding between an SVS SB-1000 or an Hsu VTF-2 MK4, any input? or other suggestions? I'm upgrading from a Polk Audio PSW111, so either way it will be a pretty big upgrade.


The subs you are considering are probably very close in performance.  The HSU is downfiring.  At some point, I believe one has to realize that once you narrow your choices down to several of the best out there at a certain price point, it becomes more a matter of preference over relatively minor details, as the difference in performance is likely to be too trivial to notice in most situations.

 

I ended up doing the same with my decision...I had 3-4 possible options that seemed so closely matched in so many ways, that I ended up taking into account features other than posted max CEA2010 numbers such as warranty, asthetics, quality(perceived), etc.

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The subs you are considering are probably very close in performance.  The HSU is downfiring.  At some point, I believe one has to realize that once you narrow your choices down to several of the best out there at a certain price point, it becomes more a matter of preference over relatively minor details, as the difference in performance is likely to be too trivial to notice in most situations.

I ended up doing the same with my decision...I had 3-4 possible options that seemed so closely matched in so many ways, that I ended up taking into account features other than posted max CEA2010 numbers such as warranty, asthetics, quality(perceived), etc.

A better comparison would probably be the PB-1000. Might as well throw the Rythmik LV12R in consideration as well, if in no rush. It is on back order until the end of the month.

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So far I'm liking all the options the Hsu has for 'tweaking" your bass sound.
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I think the HSU VTF-3 Mk 4 can't be beat at this price point. It is a true beast.

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With shipping even with the sale price the VTF3-MK4 is $758 shipped. If I were looking at subs in that price range I'd definitely go with the SVS PB2000 for $799 shipped.

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The VTF3/PB2000 would definitely be above my price point, looking more at the VTF2 and PB1000

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The VTF3/PB2000 would definitely be above my price point, looking more at the VTF2 and PB1000

I would also consider the Rythmik LV12R which is in the same price range as the VTF-2.
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^^^ +1

I would go with the LV12R in that price range as well. Unless the variable tuning on the VTF2 is very important to you.

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Well my puny Polk PSW111 blew last night while I was blasting Pacific Rim... So I really have to get the ball rolling now. Still really deciding between the PB-1000, HSU VTF MK-4, and Rythmik LV12R. My main concern, is the Rythmik really worth ~$100 more than the PB-1000? The HSU comes pretty close it price with the shipping included too, so are they really that much better than the PB-1000? $499 is awfully tempting compared to $600...

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CheYC. What do you want from your new subwoofer purchase (what are you expecting)? What is your max budget? And did you ever consider 2 subs?

If price is a concern if you were running a PSW111 and step up to a PB1000 that will be a HUGE upgrade! Its a much bigger upgrade going from the PSW111 to a PB1000 then it is going from a PB1000 to the Rythmik LV12R. So in short if you don't want to spend more than $500 get the PB1000 and don't look back, its a very solid sub.
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CheYC. What do you want from your new subwoofer purchase (what are you expecting)? What is your max budget? And did you ever consider 2 subs?

If price is a concern if you were running a PSW111 and step up to a PB1000 that will be a HUGE upgrade! Its a much bigger upgrade going from the PSW111 to a PB1000 then it is going from a PB1000 to the Rythmik LV12R. So in short if you don't want to spend more than $500 get the PB1000 and don't look back, its a very solid sub.

Thanks for the quick reply. I just want a good sub lol. I bought that Polk years ago when I knew nothing about audio and thought subwoofers weren't that important (whoops). I have JBL L880s as my L/R and an LC1 as my center, so that sub was never sufficient from day one... you live and you learn I suppose. I would really prefer nice tight bass, that hits you when explosions go off, etc. Yet you can still decipher the little things like the little bit of bass you might get when a car door slams in a movie. That Polk seemed to either give zero response, or loud boomy response that was ugly, nothing in between.

My absolute max is probably $600, but I'd much prefer not to spend that. Never really considered two subs, although I've read alot about. To put that into context though, when I told my wife this subwoofer blew, here response was "Good, I hate that thing." So to her, 1 is too many...

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Lol ok well now I know where you are coming from, and yes we do have to take our wives into consideration.

If you asked this question around Black Friday I would have said get the Outlaw Audio LFM-1 Plus on sale for $499 shipped ( I have 2 of them ). They are a great sub and its a downfiring subwoofer with downfiring ports and has an inlaid black plexiglass top on it and it looks like an end table piece of furniture rather than a sub. But right now they are not on sale so they are $620 shipped.

If you don't want to spend more than $500 go with the PB1000 now. Plus SVS customer service and bill of rights is second to none. If you want 2 subs and can spend $700 I'd look at Reaction Audio BPS 212 subs. The Rythmik might be a lil better than that SVS but for $100 and considering the sub you came from I say go SVS PB1000.

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I would say go for the VTF2 or LV12r. Will the PB1000 get you some 20 Hz bass, yes, but not as cleanly or with as much authority. The VTF2 and LV12r will likely perform better at higher frequencies as well. I see the PB1000 getting grouped in with the VTF2 and LV12r a lot, and I just don't think it's on the same level.
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I would say go for the VTF2 or LV12r. Will the PB1000 get you some 20 Hz bass, yes, but not as cleanly or with as much authority. The VTF2 and LV12r will likely perform better at higher frequencies as well. I see the PB1000 getting grouped in with the VTF2 and LV12r a lot, and I just don't think it's on the same level.

I dunno.. From my perspective it’s being talked about as steps and what the OP wants to spend. confused.gif

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I think for now the SVS is the best way to go. $499 shipped with at 45 day at home test is really hard to beat; if I'm not happy with it, I send it back. If I love it, I can always save up for a second one down the road.

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I believe you are making the best decision. I'm sure you'll be happy with SVS. Have fun.

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Ender I did not read through the entire thread, so hopefully this has not been brought up five times.  I was recently shopping for subs in your exact price range, and found that this cutoff eliminated quite a few very strong options that are worth considering if you are able to consider adding $100 to your max budget.  Here are the subs that require you to exceed 700, but stay under 800 shipped:

 

PSA XV15 $799, highest max output, tied for best warranty(5 years on all), trades some linearity for max output.  Very well reviewed for sound quality and such.  New company.

HSU VTF3-MK4:  Good output, good linearity, lots of adjustability, ok warranty, one of the (if not the) longest standing id sub companies.

Outlaw LFM1-EX:  Almost a clone of the HSU, maybe not quite as good but very close.

SVS PB2000:  Slightly lower output, perfectly flat linearity, best warranty of 5 yrs, well established long term company.

PSA XS15.  Sealed version of the XV15, would probably work well for smaller room, room gain would provide good low frequency extension

 

I will edit if I forgot any, but these are the subs you will exclude if you stick firm to your $700 budget.  They are a substantial step up from most subs under 700.

 

Woops just saw you ordered the PB1000.  Congratulations hope it suits your needs.

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I agree with others, the PB-1000 will be such a huge upgrade over your Polk you should be very very happy.


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