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Hello


I have 6m X 8m room, and I am very impressed and narrowed between this two subs.

What u recommended if u in my situation, two Svs pb12 plus or two rythmik fv15hp....

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I'd have to go with Rythmik. The FV15HP measures almost as well as the PB13-Ultra below 25Hz and better above so should have an advantage over the PB12-Plus.

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Depends what matters to you? Spl or built and finish quality. SVS uses real wood and woofer is simply beautiful, Rythmik should sound louder and deeper. I don't know but either choice is pretty solid and you'll be happy with. Every sub under $1500 is giving up something, even the golden child(Rythmik) on this forum. You really can't go wrong with these subs and both companies are well known, test and respected, audioholics had both these subs in a shoot out with others and I don't think either one beat out the other in the end. You could save even more money on the HSU VTF-15H but your giving up a lot of built quality to both Rythmik and SVS but a sub that can hold its own with sq and should have more than enough out put for most normal people.

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I am slightly have a turn to Rythmik FV15HP !!!!!!!
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. SVS uses real wood

What?
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But the svs rated at 800watts while the rythmik is 600watt (both RMS), is that can change ur choice, if u in my situation ?
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But the svs rated at 800watts while the rythmik is 600watt (both RMS), is that can change ur choice, if u in my situation ?

Rated amp power....won't but the finish options would certainly sway my decision.


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What?

real wood veneer....the FV15HP base units are vinyl...for some like myself its a no go...wink.gif

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What about the cylinders, they glue veneer on those, too? smile.gif Veneer is veneer in any case, thought he was implying they're made of wood and I doubt they're even plywood ratther than mdf but not sure....personally I'm good with a basic black coating on mdf. I don't see the vinyl mentioned on Rythmik's site, nor does that strike me as credible, appears to be black matte or black oak grain finishes for base price....whereas the SVS is piano black or black oak veneer for base choices. Now if you want pretty subs with nice woodwork I'd go Funk.
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The PB12-Plus with black oak wood veneer is furniture quality. I've got other pieces with black oak vinyl and there is a very noticeable difference.
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What about the cylinders, they glue veneer on those, too? smile.gif Veneer is veneer in any case, thought he was implying they're made of wood and I doubt they're even plywood ratther than mdf but not sure....personally I'm good with a basic black coating on mdf. I don't see the vinyl mentioned on Rythmik's site, nor does that strike me as credible, appears to be black matte or black oak grain finishes for base price....whereas the SVS is piano black or black oak veneer for base choices. Now if you want pretty subs with nice woodwork I'd go Funk.


Well he did say PB12+ not PC12+.....tongue.gif

Fwiw...I don't particularly like PB finishes either...if... Rythmik Audio offered nice veneers in their options list I would have being all over the F15hp...but they didn't. If you want real nice...go with Nathan...I would take a custom 18.0 above anything else..if money was no object.

*The finish is listed on the specs and description page on the RA website....it states honey oak or black vinyl finishes.* No matter they're awesome subs...smile.gif

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What about the cylinders, they glue veneer on those, too? smile.gif Veneer is veneer in any case, thought he was implying they're made of wood and I doubt they're even plywood ratther than mdf but not sure....personally I'm good with a basic black coating on mdf. I don't see the vinyl mentioned on Rythmik's site, nor does that strike me as credible, appears to be black matte or black oak grain finishes for base price....whereas the SVS is piano black or black oak veneer for base choices. Now if you want pretty subs with nice woodwork I'd go Funk.


Well he did say PB12+ not PC12+.....tongue.gif

Fwiw...I don't particularly like PB finishes either...if... Rythmik Audio offered nice veneers in their options list I would have being all over the F15hp...but they didn't. If you want real nice...go with Nathan...I would take a custom 18.0 above anything else..if money was no object.

*The finish is listed on the specs and description page on the RA website....it states honey oak or black vinyl finishes.* No matter they're awesome subs...smile.gif

I didn't say you said PC12 wink.gif (and really didn't know what they do, what do they make tubes out of, cement forms like DIY?), but the OP did say FV15HP, not F15HP altho I still don't see vinyl as a finish on the Rythmik site for the F15HP base finish, I see black matte....and I'm looking on the bottom of the page for each sub where buying options are listed....whereas there is a Performance & Specifications tab, don't see finish discussed there.
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Lol Say what? tongue.gif

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Driver DS1510 15" high excursion with custom sensing coil
Driver materials Black anodized aluminum with rubber surround
Cast aluminum basket
Copper flux modulation shorting rings
Amplifier 600 RMS class H patented servo controlled
Dimensions 18"(W) x 24" (H )x 24"(D) - (26" D with grille and heatsink)
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Frequency Response 14 - 200 Hz (-2 dB @ 17 Hz, [email protected]) with LFE inputs
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Multi-tune 18hz (2 port) and 12hz (1 port)
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Crossover range (Low pass) 25 - 100 Hz
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Located below the charts at the bottom of the performance and specs page...for those who must know.

Anyhow...this thread is not about what finish Svs or Rythmik uses.

Audioholics measured both these subs...a good point of reference for the OP...I'd start there.

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Whatever. Still don't see vinyl as a purchasing option, and from the bottom of the overview page for each the F15HP and FV15HP; it's like you're looking at a different website?

F15HP-SE piano black finish with H600PEQ3 amplifier and black cone driver (back order for 6 months) $1399 buy it now
F15HP black oak grain finish with H600PEQ3 amplifier and black cone driver $1224 buy it now
F15HP black matte finish with H600PEQ3 amplifier and black cone driver $1184 buy it now

FV15HP black oak grain finish with H600PEQ3 amplifier and multi-tune $1339 buy it now
FV15HP black matte finish with H600PEQ3 amplifier and multi-tune $1339 buy it now
FV15HP-SE piano black with H600PEQ3 amplifier and multi-tune $1559 buy it now

ps So what do they do for piano black, is that vinyl, too?
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Made for a good mental image....and after all many of the ID sub guys were DIYers, right? What does SVS use for their circular form?
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Made for a good mental image....and after all many of the ID sub guys were DIYers, right? What does SVS use for their circular form?

From what I see it’s generally the other way around but who is to say, it’s all good. I guess it just depends. No I had something saved when Jack (with SVS) sent me a mail replying to that very question. It’s thicker and sports some type of resin that makes it even more rigged and tolerant. So it’s a little thicker along with the expediential strength when the two are added. I have a pic of me actually sitting on a PC laid on it’s side, albeit not that I recommend doing so.. strong stuff!

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The DIYers were first ID sub guys? wink.gif I'd hope the PC style would be a bit more than a cement form!
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Uh! Yes that's very true and certainly know what they're doing , no doubt about it. If it weren't for shipping, God knows what they would come up with!??

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http://www.audioholics.com/loudspeaker-design/2010-subwoofer-shootout


Between the two you simply can not go wrong either way.
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I don't see the vinyl mentioned on Rythmik's site, nor does that strike me as credible, appears to be black matte or black oak grain finishes for base price....

Vinyl. Very nicely done vinyl. See "Specifications."

Finishes Available in honey oak vinyl or black oak vinyl
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Between the two you simply can not go wrong either way.

Pretty much this, and when your looking at duals of these subs the output will be way more than most can handle and sq will be top notch, so pick the one that they like the looks of most and fits their room best.
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Pretty much this, and when your looking at duals of these subs the output will be way more than most can handle and sq will be top notch, so pick the one that they like the looks of most and fits their room best.

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I've narrowed it down to duals of these 2 models also. Cost is pretty much same for both (accounting for the Rythmik shipping). One benefit of the SVS is they cost the same in piano black whereas the Rythmik's up charge for this.

I have a larger open-concept room and based on what I've heard, the Rythmik's extra output would be superior for this application. Can anyone confirm this?
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I have a larger open-concept room and based on what I've heard, the Rythmik's extra output would be superior for this application. Can anyone confirm this?

Confirmed.

How many cu ft is the room? We're running two FV15HPs in a 3300^3 room. Hands down, unarguably, a pair of FV15HPs is the price/performance/output top dog of the budget subwoofer set. To beat out a pair of FV15HPs, one would have to step up to a whole new cost/performance level in the form of a pair of JTR Captivator S2s.

Have you taken the time to stop by and read the first couple of posts in the ULF thread? Good room/system comparative output information to be found there.

(i consider anything I can afford to buy, budget minded buying)

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Confirmed.

How many cu ft is the room? We're running two FV15HPs in a 3300^3 room. Hands down, unarguably, a pair of FV15HPs is the price/performance/output top dog of the budget subwoofer set. To beat out a pair of FV15HPs, one would have to step up to a whole new cost/performance level in the form of a pair of JTR Captivator S2s.

Have you taken the time to stop by and read the first couple of posts in the ULF thread? Good room/system comparative output information to be found there.

(i consider anything I can afford to buy, budget minded buying)

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It's a very large room. It's in the basement and the space is basically split in half by a wide soffit, but it's still open. I'd say it's about 6,200 cubic ft, give or take a couple hundred. I actually had a thread started on this a few months back where the Rythmik's were the best recommendation.

Budget-wise, $3k is my absolute max so these fall right in line at about $2,600. If there was something substantially better for a few hundred over $3k, I could possibly spring for it but it sounds like that is unlikely.
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Budget-wise, $3k is my absolute max so these fall right in line at about $2,600. If there was something substantially better for a few hundred over $3k, I could possibly spring for it but it sounds like that is unlikely.

Just saying, I beat this drum for about a year, and everything said, a pair of FV15HPs is as good as it gets. The alternative is to add a third FV15HP but doing that is more for room smoothing issues rather than increase in output.....adds about 3dB to 6dB on the upper output level. So little SPL benefit. In order to get more SPL, one has to leapfrog a third FV15HP and jump to a pair of JTR Captivator S2s as that's a noticeable performance increase but, of course, the price goes up accordingly so it's back to first base; a pair of FV15HPs.

Abbott and Costello: "Who's On First?"

As I posted, I beat on this drum for about a year and after awhile, I felt like I was stuck in a bad Abbott and Costello skit......."First base!"

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A pair of PB12-Plus subs would serve the OP well and then some (performance-wise...) and well within his budget. And I would add, those PB12-Plus subs (in piano finish with that metal grill that attaches to the enclosure with magnets = sleek ...) are downright gorgeous cool.gif

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OP = A pair of Rythmic's FV15HP would kick ass as well too, high-performers, you truly can't go wrong with either choice, performance-wise. You have to decide, for your situation, taste, decor, etc. why one would be better over the other. Good luck!

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I would look at a pair of Captivator 1000 passives with a behringer Inuke 6000. This setup could be had for less then 3k.
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I don't want to hijack this thread but makes sense to ask my questions here instead of creating a new one.

As far as SQ and that "punch in the chest" people talk about, which is the better of these two? I know that the RV15HP will have greater output . How does distortion factor in if you can't even hear that range. but instead, feel it? I'm 50/50 with music/movies so I want best of both worlds :/. And I read that SVS uses better drivers/amps which is why they can get away with smaller drivers and therefore, has very good SQ.

I liked the PC12-NSD that I did have but I was constantly hitting that limiter with music...like all the time lol. And it didn't really give me that 'rumble' or punch in the chest with music or movies.

Currently, I am waiting to use a $700 credit with SVS but will probably get their Ultra speaker system so this gives me options for a different brand sub. The RV15HP will just BARELY fit where my old PC12-NSD was. I know I'll probably never use the output that that thing has to offer as my room is only about 1200cf, but, that 15" driver and SPL is very attractive in knowing it'll be there if I ever want to rattle my neighbors wine glasses in his cupboards haha.. I do feel the PC12+ will provide more than enough output but will it give that punch in the chest and tight, clean bass for music as well? The PC12+ is cheaper, and A LOT easier to move [I'll have to carry the sub up three flights of stairs mad.gif]. So that is a factor as well. And, If the PC12+ isn't enough, than I can upgrade for the PC13 Ultra later on. I'm leaning more towards the + and staying with SVS so the only way I'd pick up the RV15HP instead is if the SQ and tightness is superior to what SVS has to offer.

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