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post #31 of 46 Old 02-21-2014, 07:22 PM
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Ok OP it sounds like your needs are modest, BUT no one asked what size your room is. So what is the total cubic footage of the room and any area open to the room where the sub is? Once we know that we can more accurately give you advice for a sub.

It is a living room. 30 feet x 16 feet. My TV of course is setup at one side of the 30 foot end. I have been looking more closely at the SVS SB-1200 ($699) or the Rythmik F12. The speakers look totally different on each of these subs. The Rythmik says the driver is aluminum, is that why? And of course all through out Rythmik's site all I can see is about their DIRECT SERVO technology. That's plastered on every page and why it is the best. Is that technology proprietary to them only? Anyone here own an F12? So it may be between the Rythmik F12 or the SVS SB-1200.

Rythmik does seem a little odd. Looks like their web site was designed in the 80's and made by a teenager. SVS has a nice 45 day return period also, but I haven't read any of the fine print yet. I really doubt they would allow you to return a "used" subwoofer and give you your money back. There is always a catch. Maybe they give you credit with them only?

And of course ported or sealed. I do like tight, quick bass response so I'm guessing my ears would prefer a sealed sub.

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It is a living room. 30 feet x 16 feet. My TV of course is setup at one side of the 30 foot end. I have been looking more closely at the SVS SB-1200 ($699) or the Rythmik F12.

Both of those subs would be challenged to perform in a room that big. Note that Audioholics, in their extensive review, gives the SB12 a rating as best for rooms 1500 to 3000 cubic feet: http://www.audioholics.com/subwoofer-reviews/sb12-nsd-subwoofer/sb12-nsd-conclusion

My recommendation would be the SVS PB-2000. Of course, you could always order the SB12 from SVS, try it, and see if it makes you happy. Return it and upgrade if not.
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SVS has a nice 45 day return period also, but I haven't read any of the fine print yet. I really doubt they would allow you to return a "used" subwoofer and give you your money back. There is always a catch. Maybe they give you credit with them only?
No catch. If not satisfied with your purchase within 45 days, call them to set up the return. They give you back your money and pay the return shipping as well. Sweet deal if you have doubts.

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The speakers look totally different on each of these subs. The Rythmik says the driver is aluminum, is that why? LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01
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Don't be concerned with driver appearance. All you want is light weight and rigid material. Some use aluminum, some use treated compressed paper, some even use carbon fiber.

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It is a living room. 30 feet x 16 feet. My TV of course is setup at one side of the 30 foot end. I have been looking more closely at the SVS SB-1200 ($699) or the Rythmik F12. The speakers look totally different on each of these subs. The Rythmik says the driver is aluminum, is that why? And of course all through out Rythmik's site all I can see is about their DIRECT SERVO technology. That's plastered on every page and why it is the best. Is that technology proprietary to them only? Anyone here own an F12? So it may be between the Rythmik F12 or the SVS SB-1200.

Rythmik does seem a little odd. Looks like their web site was designed in the 80's and made by a teenager. SVS has a nice 45 day return period also, but I haven't read any of the fine print yet. I really doubt they would allow you to return a "used" subwoofer and give you your money back. There is always a catch. Maybe they give you credit with them only?

And of course ported or sealed. I do like tight, quick bass response so I'm guessing my ears would prefer a sealed sub.]

I agree with cel I would go with the SVS PB2000. Honestly I would go for 2 PB2000's if possible. Ported will do way better in your size room than sealed. And for a room that size I'd try to go with duals.

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I would still go for a VTF3 for control over the bass. SVS doesn't give you any control over the sound unless you buy the Plus or Ultras. The Rythmik F12 would allow you a good deal of control over the sound though. It won't hit very hard in that room though, unless you bought multiples. If you want sealed, an F15HP might do the trick, at least above 35 Hz or so. Check out a Hsu ULS-15 as well for enough output for that room and a tight sealed sound while spending a bit less than the higher powered Rythmik 15"s. If you can do just a little bit of assembly, the Dayton kits would be worth checking out, specifically the Titanic 15" and RS1202k. Thos will give you lots of high quality output for under $1k. Those are also available in assembled versions here and here, but they are $150 more. Since assembly only takes an hour or so and some glue, that is well worth $150 savings, I would get the kits over assembled versions.
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I also have PSB speakers and although i'm a big fan of svs having owned a few different models in the past I opted for a pair of PSA XS30's.... 18x16x8 open too the rest of the house. so i needed power!!

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I would still go for a VTF3 for control over the bass. SVS doesn't give you any control over the sound unless you buy the Plus or Ultras. The Rythmik F12 would allow you a good deal of control over the sound though. It won't hit very hard in that room though, unless you bought multiples. If you want sealed, an F15HP might do the trick, at least above 35 Hz or so. Check out a Hsu ULS-15 as well for enough output for that room and a tight sealed sound while spending a bit less than the higher powered Rythmik 15"s. If you can do just a little bit of assembly, the Dayton kits would be worth checking out, specifically the Titanic 15" and RS1202k. Thos will give you lots of high quality output for under $1k. Those are also available in assembled versions here and here, but they are $150 more. Since assembly only takes an hour or so and some glue, that is well worth $150 savings, I would get the kits over assembled versions.

I'll be hooking it up to a Denon AVR-X4000 receiver. Wouldn't that be enough control over a subwoofer? I don't want to get too complicated here. I thought the receiver would do all of the handling, excepting the small tweaking with some of the controls later on, which will be difficult since I saw the SVS control panel will be facing the wall and opposite of me. I think that's the way they designed it. Hard to get to those controls, especially when the sub will be behind my entertainment rack, speakers, etc....

I also don't want to build my sub. I'd rather have the pros/company do that. I'll keep building me own media centers, servers and all that, but when it comes to speakers I'll have the company build it. It does seem trivial though. I've done some extensive car audio installations when I was younger and today I'm just more or less lazier and would rather buy something made already.

Now everyone's got me thinking. Do I need dual subs. Do I need a larger sub. Do I need a ported. Ugh. I guess if SVS's 45 day return policy is really true that may be my only path here. The last thing I want to do is drop $1k on a sub, pay for expensive shipping and then it is too small or I don't like it. SVS really though of people buying speakers online. You really can't beat that return policy.

Now, if bitcoin rises up a little more maybe I'll cash out a couple and grab a large SVS sub. I'll just have to decide sealed or ported. Ugh.
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I have the X4000 and it does a good job of EQ-ing. But you can buy subs that offer more flexibility and/or you can get gear like the miniDSP that will also provide flexibility.

That said, andgiven all the requirements you've stated in this thread, IMO you'll do fine with the SVS PB-2000. At the very least, you should give one a risk-free try.
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I have the X4000 and it does a good job of EQ-ing. But you can buy subs that offer more flexibility and/or you can get gear like the miniDSP that will also provide flexibility.

That said, andgiven all the requirements you've stated in this thread, IMO you'll do fine with the SVS PB-2000. At the very least, you should give one a risk-free try.

Thanks, I will probably take your recommendation on the PB-2000. Can't wait!
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Thanks, I will probably take your recommendation on the PB-2000. Can't wait!

It should be a nice improvement over your Klipsch sub.

Which model Klipsch do you currently have?

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It should be a nice improvement over your Klipsch sub.

Which model Klipsch do you currently have?

I don't even remember what model it is. It is a ported 12" basic sub from Klipsch and only cost me $300.
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Definitely will be an improvement then smile.gif

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