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All,

 

I'm looking at perhaps a BIC RTR-1200 EV, BIC PL-200, or F12.

 

They all had decent review.

 

The RTR and F12 can be had for <$300, while I see the PL-200 for ~$350.

 

Which would you recommend?

 

Thank you,

 

PS - I'm also going to be looking for a wireless kit for whatever sub I get.

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I'm not an expert and currently own no subs, so I offer no first-hand advice.  However, you can get the PL-200 for $279.  Use the "Make My Best Offer" button here:

 

http://www.acousticsounddesign.com/core/view_BigProduct.cfm?pid=1555&sc=

 

From what I've read here, the PL is the way to go.

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Any reason you are focused only on the BIC subs? Not that they are bad subs (quite the contrary), but perhaps another sub might be a better fit for your needs and budget.

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Any reason you are focused only on the BIC subs? Not that they are bad subs (quite the contrary), but perhaps another sub might be a better fit for your needs and budget.

 

No, I'm not necessarily only considering BIC, but since I saw some good things about them here, it seemed like a good bang for the buck sub/company.

 

I'm looking for something at $300 or less (although I can go a little higher if it's worth it).  I running 6 Orb Audio speakers (paired) in a Left, Right, Center configuration and need a sub to round things out.  My receiver is a Marantz 1504.

 

Any input is appreciated.

 

Thank you,

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No, I'm not necessarily only considering BIC, but since I saw some good things about them here, it seemed like a good bang for the buck sub/company.

They definitely are. smile.gif
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I'm looking for something at $300 or less (although I can go a little higher if it's worth it).  I running 6 Orb Audio speakers (paired) in a Left, Right, Center configuration and need a sub to round things out.  My receiver is a Marantz 1504.

That might make things a little more challenging. The Orb specs indicate you probably need a crossover with the sub of at least 110hz. This also means that the sub has to handle more of the midbass output for the Orbs than it would for bigger driver speakers. Bics are well known for filling in the low end for HT usage with bigger speakers. Because of the needs of the Orbs, you might not have the same experience as others have had. I certainly wouldn't go less than the BIC PL-200. Get the best SQ you can because it will be more noticeable with the Orbs. For those speakers, I would recommend something more expensive with better overall SQ and a flatter frequency response than the BICs.

How big is your room, including any open areas?

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They definitely are. smile.gif
That might make things a little more challenging. The Orb specs indicate you probably need a crossover with the sub of at least 110hz. This also means that the sub has to handle more of the midbass output for the Orbs than it would for bigger driver speakers. Bics are well known for filling in the low end for HT usage with bigger speakers. Because of the needs of the Orbs, you might not have the same experience as others have had. I certainly wouldn't go less than the BIC PL-200. Get the best SQ you can because it will be more noticeable with the Orbs. For those speakers, I would recommend something more expensive with better overall SQ and a flatter frequency response than the BICs.

How big is your room, including any open areas?


The room is ~18 x 15 with openings to the hallway and kitchen.

 

When I first got the Orbs (probably 10 years ago) I paired them with Orb's Super 8 sub.  I forget where I set the crossover, but I think I had it at both 80 and then 100ish.  This was in a different room in the house but everything sounded great to this non-audiofile.....

 

I do not know the relative quality of Orb's subwoofer as compared to the BIC though.....

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If you can spend more than $300 you may want to look at SVS PB-1000 @$499 shipped which has a freq resp of 19hz - 270hz +/-3db, or even the SVS SB-1000 ( I would only recommend this over the PB if size is a huge issue as this sub is only a 13" cube) @499 shipped which has a freq resp of 24hz - 260hz +/-3db.

If you can't spend $500 you may want to look at Reaction Audio BPS 212 @$399 shipped which supposedly has a freq resp of 24hz - 200hz +/-3.5db. This sub and company is new so I have no idea how they actually perform and how reliable they are. Just throwing it out as an option that I would guess is better than a PL-200 SQ wise. Although with your room being open to other areas of the house you may want a ported sub, unless loud, deep bass isn't that important and you just want good Sound Quality.

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If you can spend more than $300 you may want to look at SVS PB-1000 @$499 shipped which has a freq resp of 19hz - 270hz +/-3db, or even the SVS SB-1000 ( I would only recommend this over the PB if size is a huge issue as this sub is only a 13" cube) @499 shipped which has a freq resp of 24hz - 260hz +/-3db.

I would imagine that the SB-1000 would probably have more output than the Orb sub, but both are a small sub for that size space. I would go with the PB-1000. smile.gif

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Thank you for all the feedback. 

 

Quick question..... Are you saying that the BICs won't produce good sound if I set the crossover at say 100, or just that the SVS will be a lot better?

 

Thanks again,

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For what they are the PL-200 is a good sub. But they are not accurate and detailed, their frequency response has a hump around 50hz to over exaggerate those freqs to make it sound more powerful than what it is. And honestly that's what most cheaper subs do. The SVS is a very refined, accurate, and detailed sub. It will handle all the frequencies better than the BIC PL-200 and to be honest the SVS PB1000 and BIC PL-200 aren't even in the same league. The PL-200 is in the decent budget sub catergory and the PB1000 is in the "good" sub catergory.

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To emphasize what flightguru said, here is the native measured response for the BIC PL-200:



Notice how it has a huge peak at 50hz? It would need some kind of EQ not to play those midbass frequencies louder than others.

Here is the SVS PB-1000



Pretty flat all the way down to the upper 20hz range.

Now Audyssey on your receiver (you have that, right?) will try to EQ the sub to flatten out the response, but it also has to compensate for room acoustics affecting bass output. When you have a flat response sub like the PB-1000, much easier for Audyssey to do it's job. When you have a sub like the PL-200, it may not be successful.

Also, because the bass output is so peaky on the BIC PL-200, you may not get much output below 30hz, whereas the PB-1000 should do much better. That's a plus for special effects in movies smile.gif

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Ahhhhhhh......

 

Very good explanations, thank you.

 

So, the ported PB-1000 (10") or the sealed SB-1000 (12").......?

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As I stated I would definitely go with the Ported 10" the PB1000 if you have room to fit it.... The only way I would go with the Sealed 12" the SB1000 is if you have very tight space constraints. The PB will out perform the SB.

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Ordered the PB-1000.

 

I was concerned about the size, but that was outweighed by the great performance I think it'll deliver in my listening space.

 

Thank you for all your help....

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Ordered the PB-1000.

 

I was concerned about the size, but that was outweighed by the great performance I think it'll deliver in my listening space.

 

Thank you for all your help....

Congrats, and be prepared that you might be a bit overwhelmed by the size when you first get it, but don't worry,  you will get used to it then won't even notice it anymore.

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Ordered the PB-1000.

I was concerned about the size, but that was outweighed by the great performance I think it'll deliver in my listening space.

Thank you for all your help....

Yeah, You'll forget about the size once you listen to it a little bit smile.gif

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No, I'm not necessarily only considering BIC, but since I saw some good things about them here, it seemed like a good bang for the buck sub/company.

I'm looking for something at $300 or less (although I can go a little higher if it's worth it).  I running 6 Orb Audio speakers (paired) in a Left, Right, Center configuration and need a sub to round things out.  My receiver is a Marantz 1504.

Any input is appreciated.

Thank you,

Take a look into Reaction Audio...
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Well, I received the SVS PB-1000 today.  I also ordered the "upgraded" rubber subwoofer feet and their wireless transmitter.  Everything went together fine and the size was not quite as big as I had feared.

 

I set it up via my Marantz's Audyssey and it sounds very nice.  I played around with the crossover a little bit and have it 120hz for now.  I also have it at -5.0 db.  Just breaking it in, but right now it really fills things in nicely, without being boomy.

 

More updates to follow.

 

thank you,

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Good to hear you are happy with it so far.  Time for a good bass movie to demo it!

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Just an update.....


Very happy with my PB-1000. It just seems to blend in so nice. Perfect for my situation and wants. The wireless kit has worked flawlessly, very pleased.
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Very happy with my PB-1000. It just seems to blend in so nice. Perfect for my situation and wants. The wireless kit has worked flawlessly, very pleased.
You sir made a good choice. Go play Tron: Legacy if you have it
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Any reason you are focused only on the BIC subs? Not that they are bad subs (quite the contrary), but perhaps another sub might be a better fit for your needs and budget.
HI .

Can you please help me suggest a receiver.

I have a BIC PL-200 Acoustech Platinum Series Subwoofer and Jamo S-35-HCS satellite speakers.
I am looking a matching receiver ..

Thanks,
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