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Damn @Marc Alexander went all out with Funks and JVC projector! You are going to love the 21 inch subs. I'm using focusworks 18 inch version of your 21s. You're gonna love it!

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Just wanted to share update of my listening impressions. I was very happy with just one funk behind seating for nearfield....but with 2 of them WOW! So much midbass and ULF and I'm having hard time deciding if I like Flat or Home Theater eq preset better. HT present gives me more output below 40hz, Flat seems it has slight more midbass. Either way, I'm happy. I'm using 100hz xover and can't even localize the subs behind me.

And just when I thought my sub upgrades were done now I want more 18s or 21s up front. LOL See what this forum does to you?!

Here are subs in final positions....just cause it looks like a sofa table please keep drinks and other things off of it!
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Just wanted to share update of my listening impressions. I was very happy with just one funk behind seating for nearfield....but with 2 of them WOW! So much midbass and ULF and I'm having hard time deciding if I like Flat or Home Theater eq preset better. HT present gives me more output below 40hz, Flat seems it has slight more midbass. Either way, I'm happy. I'm using 100hz xover and can't even localize the subs behind me.

And just when I thought my sub upgrades were done now I want more 18s or 21s up front. LOL See what this forum does to you?!

Here are subs in final positions....just cause it looks like a sofa table please keep drinks and other things off of it!
Here we go again lol. Great to hear ereed. Have you tried the "max extension mode" yet? If you do maybe back off the gain or trim i touch. This preset digs deep.
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Here we go again lol. Great to hear ereed. Have you tried the "max extension mode" yet? If you do maybe back off the gain or trim i touch. This preset digs deep.
I'm scared to try the max extension preset. LOL Mainly because I'm in a townhome and have neighbors next to me, don't want them to hate me yet. Also I have crowsons which helps 40hz and below for that big shake! By the way I'm using -10 on the gain of the funks. So much headroom left!

I may try it just for fun when the neighbors are gone!

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I'm scared to try the max extension preset. LOL Mainly because I'm in a townhome and have neighbors next to me, don't want them to hate me yet. Also I have crowsons which helps 40hz and below for that big shake! By the way I'm using -10 on the gain of the funks. So much headroom left!

I may try it just for fun when the neighbors are gone!
Oh wow -10,,,,,,,,, yes considering Nathan's default setting is "0" you have massive headroom. I keep mine at -3.5. With crowsons no need to use max extension, but as you said for fun one time. Play the first minute of Life with that setting. Just to give an example, with my custom setting at -10MV that opening scene pulls about 3-4amps,,, in max extension mode about 11amps, and that was only at -14MV with -9 trim.
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Oh wow -10,,,,,,,,, yes considering Nathan's default setting is "0" you have massive headroom. I keep mine at -3.5. With crowsons no need to use max extension, but as you said for fun one time. Play the first minute of Life with that setting. Just to give an example, with my custom setting at -10MV that opening scene pulls about 3-4amps,,, in max extension mode about 11amps, and that was only at -14MV with -9 trim.
I have my subs calibrated same as my speakers, not running bass hot at all. Calibrated at 75db. I listen to movies about -15 below reference...sometimes -10 below reference. Prepro sub out level is at 0 (goes -12 to +12). So PLENTY of headroom left.

Here is my REW sweep for center plus subs 15hz to 20,000hz with 1/6 smoothing. Have small dip at 45hz due to room mode. Could be removed by moving one of the subs up front but I bought these for nearfield only so best I can get at this position. Also waterfall 15hz to 300hz.
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I have my subs calibrated same as my speakers, not running bass hot at all. Calibrated at 75db. I listen to movies about -15 below reference...sometimes -10 below reference. Prepro sub out level is at 0 (goes -12 to +12). So PLENTY of headroom left.

Here is my REW sweep for center plus subs 15hz to 20,000hz with 1/6 smoothing. Have small dip at 45hz due to room mode. Could be removed by moving one of the subs up front but I bought these for nearfield only so best I can get at this position. Also waterfall 15hz to 300hz.

Put them on max extension please

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Upgrade your front subs on top of what you have now and the "hate me" part will no longer need the "yet"...
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You joking Nathan? It already has TONS of output. lol Ok, I will try it this week. You know these subs are literally right behind my ass right?

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When you said "And just when I thought my sub upgrades were done now I want more 18s or 21s up front" I assumed the "more" meant you already had some woofage in the front and that you were adding to that. So I guess your system does have room for growth after all.
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When you said "And just when I thought my sub upgrades were done now I want more 18s or 21s up front" I assumed the "more" meant you already had some woofage in the front and that you were adding to that. So I guess your system does have room for growth after all.
I did have dual svs pb13s which I just sold with just one funk audio nearfield. Now both funk audio subs are nearfield and I'm missing subs up front. lol I might be doing it backwards but not in performance.

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You joking Nathan? It already has TONS of output. lol Ok, I will try it this week. You know these subs are literally right behind my ass right?
I'd bet he's serious, your response falls off pretty fast under 22hz. Those beasts should have response into the low teens, even with them nearfield. I would also play with adding (at least) 3-6dB to the subs!






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Exactly, whenever as things are set there is more overall output than you need you may as well dial the low end up to improve extension just until you hit the limits with content as the highest level ultra low frequencies, at your desired playback level.

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You joking Nathan? It already has TONS of output. lol Ok, I will try it this week. You know these subs are literally right behind my ass right?
From what I remember you have no cabin vessle gain to boost ULF. Definitely use MAX EXT.

I have a pair of basic black Funk DO12s (comparable to the 18.0Cs on data-bass) I need to move now. I believe they could work well for your front stage.

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I'd bet he's serious, your response falls off pretty fast under 22hz. Those beasts should have response into the low teens, even with them nearfield. I would also play with adding (at least) 3-6dB to the subs!






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From what I remember you have no cabin vessle gain to boost ULF. Definitely use MAX EXT.

I have a pair of basic black Funk DO12s (comparable to the 18.0Cs on data-bass) I need to move now. I believe they could work well for your front stage.

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Yes, I'm in a very big open room with concrete flooring (also have crowsons) and don't have much room gain unless I put subs in the corners. I guess I was more concerned about not bothering neighbors. But previously I had dual svs in the corners with huge ULF boost I'm sure adding 6db to the funks that are nearfield only should be even less bothersome to neighbors due to not being in corners as svs were in. Also I just recently added 2 gik soffit traps in 2 corners as well.

In case someone forgot. Here is a summary. I had 3 subs...one funk nearfield and one svs in front corner and other one in rear corner. Got good extension down to 12hz in my open room. Now with only dual funks nearfield and no subs in corners it drops off at 20hz with no room/corner gain. So I guess I should just use max extension and crank it up! But at least I got more feel at my seats which is awesome! Will work more on this!
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From what I remember you have no cabin vessle gain to boost ULF. Definitely use MAX EXT.

I have a pair of basic black Funk DO12s (comparable to the 18.0Cs on data-bass) I need to move now. I believe they could work well for your front stage.

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I can't seem to find information about DO12s. Are they 12 inch subs?

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Played with max extension preset built in dsp. Here is graph of no eq vs max extension with no smoothing. Looks better 50hz and below but still drops off below 20hz not due to subs limitations but due to my large room opening on concrete flooring. Still sounds awesome!

By the way, what are Funk DO12s? I tried googling it, don't see any info. Anyone knows about these subs? @Marc Alexander ?
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We only made few from some overstock parts we picked up, dual opposed 12" with an 800 watt powersoft plate amp.

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By the way, what are Funk DO12s? I tried googling it, don't see any info. Anyone knows about these subs? @Marc Alexander ?
Sorry for the delay. The following was not easy to find. Below is the original classified post. I did find an issue with the drivers playing 50Hz tone at high SPL. Nathan sent me replacement drivers. He then built me a second sub to match.

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I have a custom dual opposed(2 12" drivers w/800 watt powersoft amp) funk audio subwoofer that I am selling.

Max output under 45hz would be a couple db higher than the 2012 version of 18.0C as tested by databass. Over 45hz it would be a few db less.

 

Frequency response +/-3db  is as follows for each setting;

1. 27-150

2. 18-170

3. 21-160

4. 30-140



I have all original packaging. pick up preferred but am willing to also ship at buyers expense. Location is Easton, PA

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Max output under 45hz would be a couple db higher than our 2012 version of 18.0C as tested by databass. Over 45hz it would be a few db less.

Frequency response +/-3db  is as follows for each setting;

1. 27-150

2. 18-170

3. 21-160

4. 30-140
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Continuation from the bass in movie thread!

I'm still working out a few things with the "max extension preset. Pio there is a huge difference from no EQ preset vs max extension. Plus in my open room audyssey has really boosted the ULF which in certain movies that are hot below 10Hz was clipping my amp on occasion.

What i did yesterday was "before" running audyssey i disengaged the low shelf in the DSP. Ran audyssey so it wouldn't EQ the low shelf, once finished i re-engaged the low shelf.

Now usually post audyssey my trim comes back at -13/-14, but with the low shelf removed it came back at just -7. Once i engaged the low shelf it was way to hot so i had to back off to -14 and reduce the Funk gains to -8 from the usual -3.5.

Still a bit of work to do as there is some guess work going on without any measuring equipment.
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@PioManiac continued from here

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-s...l#post57642408

I had no issues playing the Hunter Killer-Atoms with BEQ applied. Apologies If I confused you on the bass thread. I had issues playing movies where <10HZ was hot.

Below is my signal chain (AVR-->MinidspHD-->Funks)
AVR Subwoofer level = -6db
MiniDSP level = 0db (Input and output channels)
Funks ALLDSP = 0db (Input levels) - Using "NOEQ Preset"
AVR level when playing movies = -12db
No room correction EQ applied.(Disabled all AVR EQ)


Below are two movie time stamps that caused issues, I had to lower the Funks ALLDSP input levels to -6DB to play the particular scene.
Law Abiding Citizen (2009) - Atmos: Exactly at 1:00:04 (When the lights goes off one by one)
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-s...l#post57080794
The Nutcracker and the Four Realms (2018) - Atmos - Between 1:18:28 - 1:18:33 (When she flies with her wings)
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-s...l#post57504984

What I noticed was when playing the above scenes the Funk ALLDSP input level meter would spike between +3 to +6db. looking at the BEQ graphs I see signal below 10HZ is hot. While I am no expert in this subject any insight from you will be helpful, thank you.
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@PioManiac continued from here

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-s...l#post57642408

I had no issues playing the Hunter Killer-Atoms with BEQ applied. Apologies If I confused you on the bass thread. I had issues playing movies where <10HZ was hot.

Below is my signal chain (AVR-->MinidspHD-->Funks)
AVR Subwoofer level = -6db
MiniDSP level = 0db (Input and output channels)
Funks ALLDSP = 0db (Input levels) - Using "NOEQ Preset"
AVR level when playing movies = -12db
No room correction EQ applied.(Disabled all AVR EQ)


Below are two movie time stamps that caused issues, I had to lower the Funks ALLDSP input levels to -6DB to play the particular scene.
Law Abiding Citizen (2009) - Atmos: Exactly at 1:00:04 (When the lights goes off one by one)
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-s...l#post57080794
The Nutcracker and the Four Realms (2018) - Atmos - Between 1:18:28 - 1:18:33 (When she flies with her wings)
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-s...l#post57504984

What I noticed was when playing the above scenes the Funk ALLDSP input level meter would spike between +3 to +6db. looking at the BEQ graphs I see signal below 10HZ is hot. While I am no expert in this subject any insight from you will be helpful, thank you.
Good information there^

I'm still trying to figure out some settings. Not using miniDSP or any measuring equipment so i'm relying on trial and error. I do know when i disengaged audyssey EQ in my avr my subs werent working anywhere near as hard, so imo it is an audyssey/room EQ issue over boosting ULF.

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Good information there^

I'm still trying to figure out some settings. Not using miniDSP or any measuring equipment so i'm relying on trial and error. I do know when i disengaged audyssey EQ in my avr my subs werent working anywhere near as hard, so imo it is an audyssey/room EQ issue over boosting ULF.
For testing purposes what you could do is mute the Funks ALLDSP output levels, sub will NOT produce any sound but you get to watch the input/output meters, this way you don't have to stress your ears out. That's how I figured out how much lower the input levels should be when AVR volume is betwen -10db and -12DB, anything higher than -10DB AVR vol I will have to lower the ALLDSP levels even lower.

If you play the Irene scene with max extension with incorrect input levels you will notice that the funk will bring the limiters on to say slow down bass head!. My AVR Onkyo has AccuEQ which I disabled from day one.
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For testing purposes what you could do is mute the Funks ALLDSP output levels, sub will NOT produce any sound but you get to watch the input/output meters, this way you don't have to stress your ears out. That's how I figured out how much lower the input levels should be when AVR volume is betwen -10db and -12DB, anything higher than -10DB AVR vol I will have to lower the ALLDSP levels even lower.

If you play the Irene scene with max extension with incorrect input levels you will notice that the funk will bring the limiters on to say slow down bass head!. My AVR Onkyo has AccuEQ which I disabled from day one.
Is there an actual "mute" icon? Because i thought if i just lowered the gain to off the meters would be moot? I'll go check. Thanks as that wold be a great tool to use. That been said i think it is intermittent transient ULF spikes and those lower harmonics triggering the limiter.

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