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Help picking a sub for a 6000 cubic foot basement

I would like to stay under $1500 for a sub or dual subs. Right now i have a andrew jones 7 speaker setup(2 towers 4 bookshelf and a center) and a denon x4000 avr. Will be used for movies and games only. Was looking at getting 2 pb2000 but after tax because i live in ohio its right over what i wanted to spend(but not a deal breaker). Was wondering if there is other subs that are comparable cheaper or if the pb2000 or over kill for the speakers i currently have. I dont listen loud and never had a sub before so no idea what to expect or look for Also not against diy but i would have to buy a box as my wood skills are not great lol.(parts express is only 20 mins from my work but dont know if they have a store front) .
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I would like to stay under $1500 for a sub or dual subs. Right now i have a andrew jones 7 speaker setup(2 towers 4 bookshelf and a center) and a denon x4000 avr. Will be used for movies and games only. Was looking at getting 2 pb2000 but after tax because i live in ohio its right over what i wanted to spend(but not a deal breaker). Was wondering if there is other subs that are comparable cheaper or if the pb2000 or over kill for the speakers i currently have. I dont listen loud and never had a sub before so no idea what to expect or look for Also not against diy but i would have to buy a box as my wood skills are not great lol.(parts express is only 20 mins from my work but dont know if they have a store front) .

6000 cubic feet is a pretty large space to fill. I would strongly suggest going ported as you were currently thinking. Duals would be the proper way to go IMO, and you can take advantage of the dual sub eq your denon x4000 has. Dual PB-2000s would be a great option for your budget. Is it possible to buy one sub for $1500 now and add a second later when you get the funds together? If that is an option I'd look at the Rythmik FV15 HP and then add a second later. Dual PSA XV15 SEs would be a great option too.


Dual setup if your stuck on $1500- SVS PB-2000s
Dual Setup for a little more money-Dual PSA XV15 SEs
Single sub and adding a second later- Rythmik FV15HP


Hopefully others chime in with other options as well. Good luck. I have a PB-2000 and I love it. It rocks! SVS and PSA offer free trials and free shipping both ways so Id order both and see what u like best and send back the other if you decide to spend a little more and go PSA.

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At 1500, I would be looking at either dual Reaction V-15s or Hsu VTF3 mk4s. Either one should be at least as powerful as a PB2000 if not more so.
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At 1500, I would be looking at either dual Reaction V-15s or Hsu VTF3 mk4s. Either one should be at least as powerful as a PB2000 if not more so.
Gotta second these options. I'd go with dual Reaction Audio V-15's

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I would also look into building two ported Dayton 18 Ultimax. It should fit in budget and work great for a large basement. I have 2 of them in a 5300 cu ft. basement. Basement are tough and require multiple subs to get good ULF.

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Dual PB-2000 gets my vote, but HSU and Reaction Audio are excellent options too.

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At 1500, I would be looking at either dual Reaction V-15s or Hsu VTF3 mk4s. Either one should be at least as powerful as a PB2000 if not more so.
I hadn't noticed this till recently, but it looks like the PB-2000 drops off quite a bit slower than the VTF3 (seems like a 2X factor) below ~20Hz with both ports open for max output. It would seem that with in-room gain, the PB-2000 would likely be able to dig deeper. Would that be correct?

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Maybe pick up 3, PC12-NSDs for $1500 while stock lasts (won't last very long at this price!) - http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/cylinder/pc12-nsd
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I hadn't noticed this till recently, but it looks like the PB-2000 drops off quite a bit slower than the VTF3 (seems like a 2X factor) below ~20Hz with both ports open for max output. It would seem that with in-room gain, the PB-2000 would likely be able to dig deeper. Would that be correct?
They will both drop off at roughly a 24/dB octave slope. On the VTF3 that can be mitigated somewhat with the Q control. I think the VTF3 would be able to dig slightly deeper as it can be used with a 16 hz tuning point whereas the PB2000 has a 17 or 18 Hz tuning point if I remember right.

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I would like to stay under $1500 for a sub or dual subs. Right now i have a andrew jones 7 speaker setup(2 towers 4 bookshelf and a center) and a denon x4000 avr. Will be used for movies and games only. Was looking at getting 2 pb2000 but after tax because i live in ohio its right over what i wanted to spend(but not a deal breaker). Was wondering if there is other subs that are comparable cheaper or if the pb2000 or over kill for the speakers i currently have. I dont listen loud and never had a sub before so no idea what to expect or look for Also not against diy but i would have to buy a box as my wood skills are not great lol.(parts express is only 20 mins from my work but dont know if they have a store front) .
For that large of a space, I would start with the Rythmik FV15-HP. It could end up being all the sub you could ever want. If not, buy another some day. If I were in your shoes, that is the sub I would start with.
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lil mike cinema f20! build 2 or 3 or 4 for that budget
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They will both drop off at roughly a 24/dB octave slope. On the VTF3 that can be mitigated somewhat with the Q control. I think the VTF3 would be able to dig slightly deeper as it can be used with a 16 hz tuning point whereas the PB2000 has a 17 or 18 Hz tuning point if I remember right.
Looks like the PB2000 drops off at ~24dB/octave. Maybe I am misreading, but doesn't it look like the VTF3 drops off a lot quicker?




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It looks like the VTF3 drops off at a 48 dB octave slope in that chart. I may have been wrong in assuming all the ported Hsu subs dropped off at a 24 dB slope, but there could be other factors involved in that chart. Best to drop Hsu a message to ask them I suppose. The mk3 and mk2 dropped off at a 24 dB octave slope, and I assumed, perhaps erroneously, that the mk4 model does as well. Either way, a lower tuning point will get you more deep bass than a more gradual rolloff.
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thanks everyone know i have a lot more to look at. how would dual pc12-nsd be.? they on sale right now for $950. i know pb2000 are better but are they $500 better or any other sub current suggested in this thread
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Two PC12 NSD for 950 has to be the best bang for the buck at the moment. I would grab them while the getting is good. There are better subwoofers out there, but not for that price, as far a I know. Not even two will come close to a Rythmik FV15HP in output and extension though, but a FV15HP costs a lot more. On the other hand, with careful placement, two PC12 NSDs should be able to do more to smooth out the frequency response, and two will take greater advantage of Audyssey's SubEQ which is onboard your Denon X4000.
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ohioratrodder, I'm in the same boat with same size room and was looking at dual PB-2000's. Did you make a decision yet?
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Dual outlaw lfms. Wait til the season when they go on sale for $499 shipping. And save $500. Or buy 3

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Looks like the PB2000 drops off at ~24dB/octave. Maybe I am misreading, but doesn't it look like the VTF3 drops off a lot quicker?




You posted the VTF-3.4 in max output, or two port mode. Here it is in one port mode:


Looks to me like both subs dig pretty low. I have had the PB2000 in my room and it was quite flat down to almost 15 Hz.
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ohioratrodder, I'm in the same boat with same size room and was looking at dual PB-2000's. Did you make a decision yet?
no not yet. hard to decided
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whats the diffence bewteen pb2000 and xv15se?
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You posted the VTF-3.4 in max output, or two port mode. Here it is in one port mode:

Looks to me like both subs dig pretty low. I have had the PB2000 in my room and it was quite flat down to almost 15 Hz.
I thought the two port mode would be the apples to apples comparison as both subs are at max output mode (with max output on the VTF being likely higher than what the PB2000 can achieve). In either mode, the fall off slope looks to be 48dB/octave as opposed to 24dB/octave on the PB2000. That being said, if 1 port mode provides enough output for someone's room, then it is quite impressive and digs a bit deeper than the PB2000.

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6000 cubic feet is a lot of space to fill. Have you considered the Pro Version of the JTR Orbit Shifter? It is tuned for 37 hz, but retails for $1,799 passively. Cross it over at 32 hz and get an inexpensive 2nd sub to handle the low-end until you can afford something better. Just a thought.

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