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I've had my ForceField 5s for over 3 years now. The passive radiators are not sagging in any way I can see or measure (but who knows, maybe there's 1 mm of sag? Lol). Anyhow, the suspension is still super-stiff. That whole sagging PR thing was a red herring. I'm glad you brought it up though, I wanted to remember to revisit the topic after some years passed, because it's the only way to know. Those guys were just full of assumptions, based on reasonable hypothesis I suppose, but proof is in the pudding. 3 years later and performance is the same as when I got 'em.
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I've had my ForceField 5s for over 3 years now. The passive radiators are not sagging in any way I can see or measure (but who knows, maybe there's 1 mm of sag? Lol). Anyhow, the suspension is still super-stiff. That whole sagging PR thing was a red herring. I'm glad you brought it up though, I wanted to remember to revisit the topic after some years passed, because it's the only way to know. Those guys were just full of assumptions, based on reasonable hypothesis I suppose, but proof is in the pudding. 3 years later and performance is the same as when I got 'em.

Are you still using the force field 5? I have a chance to buy one for a pretty good deal. It will be replacing a klipsch
sub-12, so it will probably be a noticeable difference. I have a 12x20 room with 9' ceiling, Would one ff5 be enough to fill the room?

Cabinet size isn't really too much of a factor. I was considering psa 15" ported sub, but then I came across the FF5.
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Are you still using the force field 5? I have a chance to buy one for a pretty good deal. It will be replacing a klipsch
sub-12, so it will probably be a noticeable difference. I have a 12x20 room with 9' ceiling, Would one ff5 be enough to fill the room?

Cabinet size isn't really too much of a factor. I was considering psa 15" ported sub, but then I came across the FF5.
Yep still have them. Look, another year-and-a-half has gone by with no negative impact on the performance and no visible sag on the passive radiator.

I think it's fair to say that the guys who made those comments about that, years ago, were wrong. I certainly haven't forgotten about those discussions though.

But the long story short is you should get a 15 inch ported sub since you don't not have any space issue. In the years since I wrote that review, some great 15-inch ported options have popped up.

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Are you still using the force field 5? I have a chance to buy one for a pretty good deal. It will be replacing a klipsch
sub-12, so it will probably be a noticeable difference. I have a 12x20 room with 9' ceiling, Would one ff5 be enough to fill the room?

Cabinet size isn't really too much of a factor. I was considering psa 15" ported sub, but then I came across the FF5.
Agree with above. I think the FF5 is a good option when space is at a premium and you can't fit a standard ported sub. If space is not an issue you will get much better extension and output at the low end from a current 15" ported PSA or other equivalent ported subs.

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Agree with above. I think the FF5 is a good option when space is at a premium and you can't fit a standard ported sub. If space is not an issue you will get much better extension and output at the low end from a current 15" ported PSA or other equivalent ported subs.
Yeah the PSA 15V is the bang-for-buck champion 15" ported sub that I've reviewed.

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Yeah the PSA 15V is the bang-for-buck champion 15" ported sub that I've reviewed.

At what price do think a ff5 would be a too good to pass up deal? I could use it or possibly trade or sell it towards a big ported sub.

Its in a bundle with 2 revel c583 ceiling speakers. I was thinking about using those for atmos.
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At what price do think a ff5 would be a too good to pass up deal? I could use it or possibly trade or sell it towards a big ported sub.

Its in a bundle with 2 revel c583 ceiling speakers. I was thinking about using those for atmos.
I don't have much insight into the used market, the usual advice is to use eBay as a guide. But, there's no FF5s listed as sold. I'd say 1/2 retail price is the "too good" point.

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I don't have much insight into the used market, the usual advice is to use eBay as a guide. But, there's no FF5s listed as sold. I'd say 1/2 retail price is the "too good" point.

Dang that's right about where it's at. The revel speakers are even more off. It's from a guy thats selling the last stuff from closing his shop. I'd list the price but if I decide to try and trade or sell them that could go against my negotiations
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Dang that's right about where it's at. The revel speakers are even more off. It's from a guy thats selling the last stuff from closing his shop. I'd list the price but if I decide to try and trade or sell them that could go against my negotiations
Only you can decide how much you want to spend. If it was me and primarily for HT use I would want a sub that does very well in the 16hz-25hz range. Something like the PSA V1510 would be significantly better than the FF5 in that regard. That's the range you feel more than hear but really adds to the enjoyment of movies that have LFE content in that range.
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Only you can decide how much you want to spend. If it was me and primarily for HT use I would want a sub that does very well in the 16hz-25hz range. Something like the PSA V1510 would be significantly better than the FF5 in that regard. That's the range you feel more than hear but really adds to the enjoyment of movies that have LFE content in that range.
^^^ This... for movies, you need more displacement than what one FF5 offers. For music, it's got plenty of power for kick-drum chest-slam and feeling the vibes of a bass. But the drones and sweeps in movies demand more extension and more displacement to render properly and as noted by you and others, today's best ported 15's play that game very well.

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^^^ This... for movies, you need more displacement than what one FF5 offers. For music, it's got plenty of power for kick-drum chest-slam and feeling the vibes of a bass. But the drones and sweeps in movies demand more extension and more displacement to render properly and as noted by you and others, today's best ported 15's play that game very well.

I picked up the sub. My goal is still to have a 15" ported sub when I can find a deal on one. All I can say is WOW that thing is small. You could put it almost anywhere. Would it work as a second near feild sub? I know it's not good to mix two different subs, but as small as it is, it seems like that would be a good role.

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Yeah the PSA 15V is the bang-for-buck champion 15" ported sub that I've reviewed.

Well the goldenear sub didn't last long. I traded it a few days ago for a PSA v1500. For its size the goldenear competes with it in some ways, but your right. That ported 15" really gets low and has the rumble you want for a home theater.


It's huge though, my son said it looks like a mini fridge.
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Well the goldenear sub didn't last long. I traded it a few days ago for a PSA v1500. For its size the goldenear competes with it in some ways, but your right. That ported 15" really gets low and has the rumble you want for a home theater.


It's huge though, my son said it looks like a mini fridge.
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The choice to go with a down-firing PR has to do with slot-loading the output (according to GoldenEar). I can understand the concern about the effects of gravity. I'll keep an eye on that over time.

Hi, Its been 6 years and if you still have this sub, any PR sag issue? Where is this made (COO)?

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Hi, Its been 6 years and if you still have this sub, any PR sag issue? Where is this made (COO)?
My friend has the old FF5s now. No obvious sag that I can tell, last I checked... but I can't measure it precisely. Thanks for bringing it up, I remember those discussions about PR sag. The subs still work, no issue with the amps or anything. Not sure where it was made.

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I would be very interested to see this compared to the SVS SB-3000 given the similar price and size. Seems like a great solution for those who need a compact subwoofer.
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I would be very interested to see this compared to the SVS SB-3000 given the similar price and size. Seems like a great solution for those who need a compact subwoofer.
IMO at this point the SB3000 is the better sub. Plays deeper, better fit and finish, has built-in programmable DSP and it can be ordered online or bought from a dealer.

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My friend has the old FF5s now. No obvious sag that I can tell, last I checked... but I can't measure it precisely. Thanks for bringing it up, I remember those discussions about PR sag. The subs still work, no issue with the amps or anything. Not sure where it was made.

Mark, that’s always my reservation with downward firing PRs. Maybe they can use materials to get away from that issue, but there’s another way, don’t make a system with a down firing PR in the first place. Yet I still see them occasionally. I believe REL does one.


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Mark, that’s always my reservation with downward firing PRs. Maybe they can use materials to get away from that issue, but there’s another way, don’t make a system with a down firing PR in the first place. Yet I still see them occasionally. I believe REL does one.


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IMO at this point the SB3000 is the better sub. Plays deeper, better fit and finish, has built-in programmable DSP and it can be ordered online or bought from a dealer.
I was looking at the ForceField 5 when shopping for a high WAF compact sub with good output for under 1K. Only other sub that really stood out is the HSU ULS-15 MK2 but thats a good bit bigger. Ended up with the SB-3000.
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