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I did say that but it ended up 2.5 times ($200 vs $500), however, they have more magnet, thicker steel, and 50-100% more xmax than any other $200 pro 18" and even most of the +$300 pro 18"s.
Jeff, how will the 218 HT compare to the Cap 1400 across the 10 Hz to 120 Hz range? I don't really have a clue, but if I had to guess, I would imagine the Cap 1400 will have more output 15 Hz to 25 Hz because of the more powerful driver, but that the 218 HT will have more output in the 25 Hz to 120 Hz range because of the larger driver area.

Also that the Cap 1400 will have a tighter more articulate bass for music because of the increased control of the larger motor as opposed to the 218 HT having higher output for movie special effects from greater cone area.

Which is a better match for my three Cap 1400's that I have now?


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Jeff, how will the 218 HT compare to the Cap 1400 across the 10 Hz to 120 Hz range? I don't really have a clue, but if I had to guess, I would imagine the Cap 1400 will have more output 15 Hz to 25 Hz because of the more powerful driver, but that the 218 HT will have more output in the 25 Hz to 120 Hz range because of the larger driver area.

Also that the Cap 1400 will have a tighter more articulate bass for music because of the increased control of the larger motor as opposed to the 218 HT having higher output for movie special effects from greater cone area.

Which is a better match for my three Cap 1400's that I have now?
The Captivator 1400 is amazing for it's size however increasing the cabinet volume two and a half times does a lot. The 218 should have about a 2db advantage across its range and shouldn't give up any accuracy.


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This driver has been optimized for vented enclosures.
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Finally able to hook up my pair of 1400 caps. I am coming from a single s1 in about 5500 cuft room to a pair of 1400 caps in a 8000+ cuft room that is open to upstairs. These things are unreal. They completely pressurize the main seating position. No buyers remorse here!!
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Finally able to hook up my pair of 1400 caps. I am coming from a single s1 in about 5500 cuft room to a pair of 1400 caps in a 8000+ cuft room that is open to upstairs. These things are unreal. They completely pressurize the main seating position. No buyers remorse here!!
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This driver has been optimized for vented enclosures.
Dang, thought I had something there.
How about a Captivator 118HT?
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How about a Captivator 118HT?
Go on, I'm listening...

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How about a Captivator 118HT?
Go on, I'm listening...
Same size as the Captivator 1400 but with the 218 driver, 700 watt amp and a price tag that's 36% less.
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Same size as the Captivator 1400 but with the 218 driver, 700 watt amp and a price tag that's 36% less.
Oh Man!, I can't wait for the V1800/Echo18/118HT debates/arguments! Should be fun to watch!

Obviously size advantage goes to the V1800, but after that, the output, finish, construction, turnaround time, etc. etc. Peoples brains are going to explode! Haha.
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same size as the captivator 1400 but with the 218 driver, 700 watt amp and a price tag that's 36% less.
$1299?

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Same size as the Captivator 1400 but with the 218 driver, 700 watt amp and a price tag that's 36% less.
If there's such a thing as JTR's stock, I would use all my savings and buy them all even with the market crashing . This will be extremely interesting to see JTR inside a "value" subs discussion. I am sure you will be extremely busy soon so enjoy the free time now.
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If there's such a thing as JTR's stock, I would use all my savings and buy them all even with the market crashing . This will be extremely interesting to see JTR inside a "value" subs discussion. I am sure you will be extremely busy soon so enjoy the free time now.
The man has been on a tear of late; new models, updated models, new market segments. Seems as though nothing has been left untouched. But there maybe an ulterior motive...

After having disassembled and reassembled both an S1 and 1400 to do reviews I can say that it ain't a lot of fun. Maybe he's tired of moving around those massive drivers and his back finally said "hey, how about something a little lighter!".
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Same size as the Captivator 1400 but with the 218 driver, 700 watt amp and a price tag that's 36% less.
Can we assume same port tuning/frequency response as the Captivator 1400, but with just lower output?

Speaking of Captivator 1400 frequency response, what are people seeing in room?

@chucky7 , did you ever run through Edge of Tomorrow, how'd your Cap fare? Any chance it's producing any of the 10hz frequency?

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Can we assume same port tuning/frequency response as the Captivator 1400, but with just lower output?

Speaking of Captivator 1400 frequency response, what are people seeing in room?

@chucky7 , did you ever run through Edge of Tomorrow, how'd your Cap fare? Any chance it's producing any of the 10hz frequency?
If Captivator 118HT is using the same Cap 1400 driver but with half the power, then the output should only be -3 dB.

I have been lazy so I have not done the frequency response or the sub crawl... I know, shame on me ...

I ran Edge of Tomorrow many times @ - 12.5 MV. It produces the 10 Hz with authority. However, since I only know what port chuffing for a small round port sounds like, I can't say for a certainty that none of what I heard is chuffing. Maybe I should upload a video and people here can tell me if it is chuffing or not???

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If Captivator 118HT is using the same Cap 1400 driver but with half the power, then the output should only be -3 dB.

I have been lazy so I have not done the frequency response or the sub crawl... I know, shame on me ...

I ran Edge of Tomorrow many times @ - 12.5 MV. It produces the 10 Hz with authority. However, since I only know what port chuffing for a small round port sounds like, I can't say for a certainty that none of what I heard is chuffing. Maybe I should upload a video and people here can tell me if it is chuffing or not???
The 118HT will use a new driver. And yes I think you should upload a video of what you're hearing, and may I suggest you unplug your speakers while recording, so as not to distract from the subwoofer output.

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The 118HT will use a new driver.
That's why I can't pin point the difference between 118HT and Cap 1400...

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I think you should upload a video of what you're hearing, and may I suggest you unplug your speakers while recording, so as not to distract from the subwoofer output.
I will see what I can do as I don't have a cellphone ... I do have a digital camera capable of 1080p. I will remember to unplug my speakers while I am recording.

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That's why I can't pin point the difference between 118HT and Cap 1400...


I will see what I can do as I don't have a cellphone ... I do have a digital camera capable of 1080p. I will remember to unplug my speakers while I am recording.
I was actually asking Jeff about the frequency response and output of the 118HT compared to the Cap 1400.

Did you lose your cellphone??? I can't imagine someone with all your home theater equipment doesn't have the means to have a cellphone, haha.
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Did you lose your cellphone??? I can't imagine someone with all your home theater equipment doesn't have the means to have a cellphone, haha.
No. I have been living without a cellphone since 2010. I know, I know...
That's easily $5000 in savings right there...

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I was actually asking Jeff about the frequency response and output of the 118HT compared to the Cap 1400.
Frequency response will be comparable. The peak output on the topend will be within 1-2db of the Captivator 1400 however the bottomend will be about 4db less. Keep in mind other manufactures needed to build much larger subwoofers with twice as many drivers just to keep up with the Captivator 1400 in the 16-25 hz range and if they were cut in half than you'd lose 6db.
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If Captivator 118HT is using the same Cap 1400 driver but with half the power, then the output should only be -3 dB.

I have been lazy so I have not done the frequency response or the sub crawl... I know, shame on me ...

I ran Edge of Tomorrow many times @ - 12.5 MV. It produces the 10 Hz with authority. However, since I only know what port chuffing for a small round port sounds like, I can't say for a certainty that none of what I heard is chuffing. Maybe I should upload a video and people here can tell me if it is chuffing or not???


That is because you are too busy posting output(db) spreadsheets of various subs on AVS...so yes shame on you!! lol


Do your Captivator some justice and get it dialed in!
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Frequency response will be comparable. The peak output on the topend will be within 1-2db of the Captivator 1400 however the bottomend will be about 4db less. Keep in mind other manufactures needed to build much larger subwoofers with twice as many drivers just to keep up with the Captivator 1400 in the 16-25 hz range and if they were cut in half than you'd lose 6db.
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I have two Cap 1400s that are about 6" from the wall on the back. I noticed these amps get quite a bit hotter to the touch than the amp on my s1. Is this expected? Should I be concerned at all?
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Or simply speaking the truth...lol
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I see you have a Cap 1400 in for review. Any chance you can give us an eta on when your review will be published?

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I do indeed have a Cap 1400, and I'm projecting October for that review. I have a 5.1 system that I'm writing the first draft of as we speak, and that one will be published in September. The Cap is next in line.
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Captivator 1400 and S1 are now in stock.
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You think so? I took it more as JTR highlighting the perks of their product. The more I pay attention the more impressed I am by the cap 1400.
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You think so? I took it more as JTR highlighting the perks of their product. The more I pay attention the more impressed I am by the cap 1400.
Agreed, the cap 1400 is definitely a beast. If somehow I'm not impressed/fulfilled by the Gamma 18 I have coming, I think I may have to seriously consider the cap 1400. My only concern is with ULF. Everyone has a different opinion on whether it's necessary/worth it, and I haven't had an opportunity to form my own my own opinion yet, but I'm worried I might miss it with a ported design.

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Agreed, the cap 1400 is definitely a beast. If somehow I'm not impressed/fulfilled by the Gamma 18 I have coming, I think I may have to seriously consider the cap 1400. My only concern is with ULF. Everyone has a different opinion on whether it's necessary/worth it, and I haven't had an opportunity to form my own my own opinion yet, but I'm worried I might miss it with a ported design.
How big is your room?
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