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@COACH2369 , that setup is just off the hook amazing! That pair of marianas supporting the center form the great MARIANA TRENCH! I bet you don't need air conditioning with all the air those woofers move! @dgage , the way you integrated the Marianas with the speakers - aligning all the horns across the soundstage amd physically wrapping the subs around the center channel - just WOW! Very well done. It is quite apparent that you are a fine engineer and I can't wait to see how your own line of speakers turn out. Very, very impressive work.

I think that may be a cool design for down the road. Have a Mariana bass module that you can stack a range of "monitors" on to make integrated mobile speaker towers.
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Big Thanks to Mr. Gage

I need to make sure I give the proper credit to Mr. Gage for making all this possible.

His creativeness, patience with my ever changing visions and willingness to custom flag ship sub to fit my needs was very much appreciated.

Then on top of it all, he designed the wall of sound and pretty much build the whole thing for me.

Hard to beat that sort of service and dedication...
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@COACH2369, that setup is just off the hook amazing! That pair of marianas supporting the center form the great MARIANA TRENCH! I bet you don't need air conditioning with all the air those woofers move! @dgage, the way you integrated the Marianas with the speakers - aligning all the horns across the soundstage amd physically wrapping the subs around the center channel - just WOW! Very well done. It is quite apparent that you are a fine engineer and I can't wait to see how your own line of speakers turn out. Very, very impressive work.

I think that may be a cool design for down the road. Have a Mariana bass module that you can stack a range of "monitors" on to make integrated mobile speaker towers.
Thanks Josh!


I will definitely have a modular speaker system as the subs are just too heavy to integrate directly in a tower speaker. And I'll be ordering the horns/ribbons/compression drivers in the next couple of weeks to get started on the top end of my speaker testing/selection. And I'm still working with Mr. Nick at Stereo Integrity to design one of the finest midrange/midbass 12" drivers on the market.
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It is an amazing system, AVSforum should consider making it a "system of the month". The way you manage to level the tweeters is really cool! That is one of the best and most creative front stage setups I have seen. I tip my hat to you sir.
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It is an amazing system, AVSforum should consider making it a "system of the month". The way you manage to level the tweeters is really cool! That is one of the best and most creative front stage setups I have seen. I tip my hat to you sir.
I would be very honored to have my room considered for one of those distinctions, considering the previous winners. It would surprise me if it is chosen with so many really cool options out there.

Performance wise - The combo of the JBL's and Deep Sea Sound subs should be on anybody's radar that wants an amazing cinema experience in their home.

If I had to come up with a name, I would call it "The Wall of Sound".
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If I had to come up with a name, I would call it "The Wall of Sound".
I would call it IMAX home theater
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Just finished listening to several of my favorite scenes from John Wick and then the gatling gun scene in Book of Eli.

I have one word to describe it...WOW!

These are the real deal for me with being a 100% HT guy.
Wide sound stage...Check!
Dynamic....YUP!
Clear dialog...best I have heard in my room.
Mid Bass....PERFECT!

Then you throw in the dual Mariana 24's and you have a hard to beat wall of theater sound. In fact, the subs had to be turned down some since they are so powerful. I really can't get over how clean these subs are...

The added bonus of enjoying my first AT screen and the LCR speakers in the same alignment are just great bonuses..

Once I get a few things tweaked in the room(change some paint, touch up some walls, add a dark piece of carpet in front of the screen and clean up some loose items that are rattling), I will be ready to post some pictures of my room.
Words cannot do justice to what the Marianas and the JBL 4722s sound like together. I knew you would be enamored @COACH2369 Although I don't have my projector up, I have been enjoying blu-ray concerts. It is off the charts.
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Man, that is absolute killer front stage!

I love the fact that you can't see a thing. And when you turn it on, diapers are probably required.
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If you have 15 amp, I would upgrade. If you have 20 amp, I would wait and see if you need it. No need tearing up sheet rock unless it is necessary. Just my 2 cents.
For anyone wondering about Speaker Power amps. I have been running two Submersives (two independent 2400 models) on a single 15 amp circuit for a year!!! That includes the AVR, Blu Ray, everything else! I did a sweep once at 110db and I am flat to 8 hz in my room. Scared the s$41t out of me but never popped the breaker. Moving on from rental and I do plan on dedicated lines as well. But it's always been known these Speaker Power amps are of the utmost quality AND efficiency.
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For anyone wondering about Speaker Power amps. I have been running two Submersives (two independent 2400 models) on a single 15 amp circuit for a year!!! That includes the AVR, Blu Ray, everything else! I did a sweep once at 110db and I am flat to 8 hz in my room. Scared the s$41t out of me but never popped the breaker. Moving on from rental and I do plan on dedicated lines as well. But it's always been known these Speaker Power amps are of the utmost quality AND efficiency.
I have spoken to a few other people recently as well that say the same thing. I think what I'll do is price it out, then if I do take the plunge on the Mariana's I'll test them out on the 15A circuits and see what happens. If they trip the breaker then I'll get them installed at that point.

Although if school keeps stressing me out I might reward myself by going for broke on this from the start, it's just money anyway lol
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I have spoken to a few other people recently as well that say the same thing. I think what I'll do is price it out, then if I do take the plunge on the Mariana's I'll test them out on the 15A circuits and see what happens. If they trip the breaker then I'll get them installed at that point.

Although if school keeps stressing me out I might reward myself by going for broke on this from the start, it's just money anyway lol
Well the subs are the bigger expense. Snag them then the rest will fall into place easier. Search for a buddy of a buddy that is licensed and will hook you up. I plan on running my dedicated lines myself then having a licensed pro review my work then make the final connection to the panel. Of course framing up a room in the garage where the panel is makes it easer lol! Plus my uncle is a high end electric contractor in LA. Perhaps I can spur a visit
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Just spent some more time with my Mariana subs...

They sure do impress me more and more each time I fire them up. The ability to perform as well during low volume scenes as big explosive scenes is pretty amazing..
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2 days and counting to 4 Mariana 24s....
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Four 24's!!!

You are my hero.
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Hope you have everything.....and I mean EVERYTHING off the walls in the remote area of this room. If you don't, it will be down once you fire them up.

I lost another picture frame tonight after a demo with Dgage...
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Dang Yosh! I have made attempts thus far to sell Submersives but no luck so far. My latest thinking has me keeping them and adding a few more subs for my new room build. Thats quite an order though! Rolling deep in all aspect there! I think one can only imagine the experience. What SPL do you expect from that?
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Just spent some more time with my Mariana subs...

They sure do impress me more and more each time I fire them up. The ability to perform as well during low volume scenes as big explosive scenes is pretty amazing..
You know my gut keeps telling me I won't ever be happy unless I have one of two setups. Multiple 24's in my system or multiple tapped horns. It's prob a good thing for my new neighbors that the budget keeps me in check!
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Coach, how many inches did you end up with between the 4722's? Or CD to CD...

Also are rolling with just the two Mariana's? Or do you have some smoothing subs? And lastly what size is your room? No more questions I promise
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Coach, how many inches did you end up with between the 4722's? Or CD to CD...

Also are rolling with just the two Mariana's? Or do you have some smoothing subs? And lastly what size is your room? No more questions I promise
I have all three of my 4722N's and the dual 24's spaced between my 120" screen so I guess that means they are rather close since that is covering 10 feet(I am downstairs and too lazy to go up and measure lol)

IMO, the separation of channels is perfect. I love having everything behind the screen.

I have just the two 24's and it fills the room up plenty. David and I were just talking this evening about how well they fill up the room. It feels like I have subs throughout the room, which is hard to believe. Shows how good they are. I am sure others will argue that statement, which is cool. Just that in my room, dual 24's are PLENTY.
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I believe my room is around 18 x 15....seems like I always forget the dimensions.
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I believe my room is around 18 x 15....seems like I always forget the dimensions.
How tall are the ceilings?
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2 days and counting to 4 Mariana 24s....
Scary good times ahead.

I'm too afraid to run two 24s with my dual shifters...for now...maybe when I Dave comes by.

For now...I'm pretty convinced a pair...or even one 24 really...would be plenty for most rooms.
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Dang Yosh! I have made attempts thus far to sell Submersives but no luck so far. My latest thinking has me keeping them and adding a few more subs for my new room build. Thats quite an order though! Rolling deep in all aspect there! I think one can only imagine the experience. What SPL do you expect from that?
Boy, I hope you can sell your Seatons. I believe I sold one of mine on Audiogon and the other right here on the classifieds. They went pretty fast. This was back in February! I am pretty excited to have dedicated subs back in the mix. It's been a long time. I have actually been avoiding watching any movies with significant bass in the theater because of the lack of dedicated subs. That's gonna end in a significant way.

I'm not sure what SPL to expect, but the multiples are not because of output. Well, I take that back. I want tons of output in the ULF area. I don't want to blast my ears out, I want to feel the bass

Also, I'm sure 1 would achieve amazing spl in most rooms. I want an even/smooth frequency response at all positions with unlimited headroom. Quad Mariana 24's will be the ultimate solution. Seriously, can anyone ever have too much headroom?
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Hope you have everything.....and I mean EVERYTHING off the walls in the remote area of this room. If you don't, it will be down once you fire them up.

I lost another picture frame tonight after a demo with Dgage...


Pretty much anything hanging on the wall is an absorber or diffuser. Hopefully I don't harm the house, or the neighborhood!
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Pretty much anything hanging on the wall is an absorber or diffuser. Hopefully I don't harm the house, or the neighborhood!
It would be worth the drive over to your place just to hear the sledge hammer scene from John Wick in your room with those quad 24's. My favorite demo scene, so far, to show off how good these subs are.
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I have all three of my 4722N's and the dual 24's spaced between my 120" screen so I guess that means they are rather close since that is covering 10 feet(I am downstairs and too lazy to go up and measure lol)

IMO, the separation of channels is perfect. I love having everything behind the screen.

I have just the two 24's and it fills the room up plenty. David and I were just talking this evening about how well they fill up the room. It feels like I have subs throughout the room, which is hard to believe. Shows how good they are. I am sure others will argue that statement, which is cool. Just that in my room, dual 24's are PLENTY.
This is good news. For sure I will do 120" minimum. My rental LR/dining area open to kitchen and hall does very well with only two Submersives. A testament to good work finding best raw placement. A few filters applying cuts via mini DSP and Audyssey topped it off and the graph was pretty. I did bypass low shelf filter for my house curve for Audyssey then let it fly again after Audyssey so it didn't get EQ'd down. I am moving on from Audyssey but it had it's day. Anyway I say all that to say that two subs can do very well and your recent graphs show that!!! Loved the house curve!

I was looking at the garage were I am framing up a theater tonight. Looks like orientation may cause me a litter smaller, But I will get at least 15x19 or so.
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Boy, I hope you can sell your Seatons. I believe I sold one of mine on Audiogon and the other right here on the classifieds. They went pretty fast. This was back in February! I am pretty excited to have dedicated subs back in the mix. It's been a long time. I have actually been avoiding watching any movies with significant bass in the theater because of the lack of dedicated subs. That's gonna end in a significant way.

I'm not sure what SPL to expect, but the multiples are not because of output. Well, I take that back. I want tons of output in the ULF area. I don't want to blast my ears out, I want to feel the bass

Also, I'm sure 1 would achieve amazing spl in most rooms. I want an even/smooth frequency response at all positions with unlimited headroom. Quad Mariana 24's will be the ultimate solution. Seriously, can anyone ever have too much headroom?
I should branch out. I just feel like I won't be disappointed if they don't sell, means less DIY building. Plan if they don't is them two up front behind AT screen with JBL 4722's. Then a single SI HST 18 for near field then I was thinking a 12" woofer in each of the four surround placed columns. You know two flanked out to sides maybe 10 inches behind head placement then two on back wall. If I can get away with the SI MAgV3 12" woofer I will. mounting depth doesn't require special framing like an HST 12 would. So thats bottom line. If after research 12's can't keep up or they prove waste of time Ill just roll Seaton's up front then a near field (directly behind seating woofer).

Ive had them up for sale a couple weeks. Have you listened to any subs since? why did you sell? Any advice? I have heard the regular SI 18 has more impact than a Submersive then an HST 18 more than that. So a 24 must be the end all. It's a part of subwoofer subjective opinions and such that doesn't make it into objective measurements and facts and I think we hear less about. three different woofers can have three different impacts or feels to them. I want the deepest hardest hitting impact available.

If I could sell Seatons then I could add my additional budget a bit I have planned and end up with dual 24's!!!
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I should branch out. I just feel like I won't be disappointed if they don't sell, means less DIY building. Plan if they don't is them two up front behind AT screen with JBL 4722's. Then a single SI HST 18 for near field then I was thinking a 12" woofer in each of the four surround placed columns. You know two flanked out to sides maybe 10 inches behind head placement then two on back wall. If I can get away with the SI MAgV3 12" woofer I will. mounting depth doesn't require special framing like an HST 12 would. So thats bottom line. If after research 12's can't keep up or they prove waste of time Ill just roll Seaton's up front then a near field (directly behind seating woofer).

Ive had them up for sale a couple weeks. Have you listened to any subs since? why did you sell? Any advice? I have heard the regular SI 18 has more impact than a Submersive then an HST 18 more than that. So a 24 must be the end all. It's a part of subwoofer subjective opinions and such that doesn't make it into objective measurements and facts and I think we hear less about. three different woofers can have three different impacts or feels to them. I want the deepest hardest hitting impact available.

If I could sell Seatons then I could add my additional budget a bit I have planned and end up with dual 24's!!!
Besides the classifieds here and audiogon, Mark Seaton will also let you list them on his own Seaton Sound Forum.

My basement theater is on concrete with concrete walls. It is about 25' deep by 16' wide with 9' ceilings. The SubM's sounded good but even with 2 I did not get an even response in all listening positions. (no fault of the subs, just would have probably needed another 1 or 2). I also was not getting close to any tactile feel or impact. Now the concrete floors are going to make it difficult to get a tactile feel as well but I refuse to get shakers. I had the upgrade bug so I decided to sell them both and upgrade to something even more serious.

I had the same desire as you - to have the deepest hardest hitting impact go big or go home sub available. BUT I did not to want give up any of the ULF extension capabilities so I decided to stay with a sealed design. There is absolutely nothing else out there like the Mariana 24's. Take the amazing data-bass results of the 24 and (with significant engineering know how) put it into a beautiful smaller furniture grade box. AND give it the ultimate in super clean and copious power. Dgage isn't messing around here.
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According to my common core math: Mariana 24 x 4 = x = Holy cr*p this is awesome!


I am so envious!
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2 days and counting to 4 Mariana 24s....
And how many acres are between you and your neighbors?

2 24s are enough to threaten the structural integrity of your home, hope your insurance premiums are paid up
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