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Thanks, I know that a better comparison is the s1, but i was just curious how it stacks against the 1400. I appreciate the response.

Is DSS ever going to venture into the ported realm?
If you just look at the HST-18's raw response, it can give you a decent idea of output, but that is not taking into consideration all of the DSP work that is being done in the amp for the mariana.

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Is DSS ever going to venture into the ported realm?
I won't say never say never but I don't currently have plans to offer ported designs even though I have considered it. First, I don't want to compete below the $2000 mark as there is a lot of competition there and would require me to use potentially lesser quality components. Regarding higher performing ported designs, the Speaker Power SP1-4000 amp I use is the most expensive component in our 18" subs and offers the choice of 2,400w at 4 ohms or 4,000w at 2 ohms. Since I want to max out the amp's capabilities I have chosen to utilize the max 4,000w whenever I can. To use the full 4,000w in a ported design would require 2 18" drivers and a fairly large cabinet. From a performance standpoint, that design would be bigger than the Mariana 24 and performance in the same neighborhood. Yes it might be a little cheaper but it would be a larger enclosure and wouldn't have quite the same performance near or below 10 Hz (the Mariana 24 is flat to 7Hz in every rooms I've measured except one that was flat to 6Hz before rolling off). So really, it makes sense from a consumer standpoint since more choices are always good. From a product differentiation standpoint, there isn't enough differentiation from the current pair of sealed subwoofer products we offer. Obviously as was mentioned, there are other companies that offer nice ported options so the consumer is already well taken care of.

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If you just look at the HST-18's raw response, it can give you a decent idea of output, but that is not taking into consideration all of the DSP work that is being done in the amp for the mariana.

http://www.data-bass.com/data?page=s...d=110&mset=122

Also, Josh used a 4.2 cubic foot enclosure. The DSS box would be what, 3.5 cu ft without the driver?
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Also, Josh used a 4.2 cubic foot enclosure. The DSS box would be what, 3.5 cu ft without the driver?
The LT that dgage David applies still takes that minor difference out of the equation almost. Much care was taken to get an initially flat FR in the mariana offerings.

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The LT that dgage David applies still takes that minor difference out of the equation almost. Much care was taken to get an initially flat FR in the mariana offerings.

Yeah, David's response is WAY smoother than the HST on DB. Flat as can be from 20 up.


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If you just look at the HST-18's raw response, it can give you a decent idea of output, but that is not taking into consideration all of the DSP work that is being done in the amp for the mariana.

http://www.data-bass.com/data?page=s...d=110&mset=122
The data-bass testing was back in 2014 with the original HST-18, as I recall David is now using the SI HST-18 MK2 driver which is a measurable upgrade from the original HST-18. I believe David spoke at length about the new driver in this thread somewhere. I'm too lazy to look for the write up by David.
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The data-bass testing was back in 2014 with the original HST-18, as I recall David is now using the SI HST-18 MK2 driver which is a measurable upgrade from the original HST-18. I believe David spoke at length about the new driver in this thread somewhere. I'm too lazy to look for the write up by David.
Yep. The one tested by Josh was slightly different, although the output numbers aren't going to be that far off. Bottom line, the graph is simply not going to give you anything outside of perhaps total output numbers of the hST. It should not be looked at for freq response as it was just a raw, no-eq capture.
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I keep coming back to this thread to look at the pics! Drool! I can't wait to get my hands on some dual Mariana 18s soon!
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I keep coming back to this thread to look at the pics! Drool! I can't wait to get my hands on some dual Mariana 18s soon!
How about a pair of Mariana 18S end tables in dark Walnut that should be delivered this week? Actually looks a little darker, less pink in person, guess I need to work on my white balance.



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How about a pair of Mariana 18S end tables in dark Walnut that should be delivered this week? Actually looks a little darker, less pink in person, guess I need to work on my white balance.




Those are mine! And, no, you can't have them! Well, I guess you can, but David has to make you your own

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How about a pair of Mariana 18S end tables in dark Walnut that should be delivered this week? Actually looks a little darker, less pink in person, guess I need to work on my white balance.



Looks nice but I don't have room for end tables. I can most likely fit the one such as the picture thats on your site for the Mariana 18s with front firing driver and curved edges. They would go right under my screen flanking the center channel.

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What are the dimensions on those end tables?

 
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Looks nice but I don't have room for end tables. I can most likely fit the one such as the picture thats on your site for the Mariana 18s with front firing driver and curved edges. They would go right under my screen flanking the center channel.
You wanted pictures and most I sell are the rounded ones in black that look very similar to one another. Was planning to post these pictures today anyway and your post was the perfect segue. So end tables is what you got. LOL! But I think the rounded ones would look and sound great up front flanking your center channel.
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Mr. Jim! The table without top is roughly 22.5"x22.5"x21" high. The table top adds another 1" to make it almost 24"x24" and standing 22" high. I have a layer of 1/4" rubber under the table top that ensures you can actually use it as an end table with stuff on it without concern of too much vibration.

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You wanted pictures and most I sell are the rounded ones in black that look very similar to one another. Was planning to post these pictures today anyway and your post was the perfect segue. So end tables is what you got. LOL! But I think the rounded ones would look and sound great up front flanking your center channel.
Can't remember which post but there is a pic showing 4 black curved cabs in basement....2 at screen and 2 at rear corners. Are those oak or maple?

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Found it!

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Mr. Jim! The table without top is roughly 22.5"x22.5"x21" high. The table top adds another 1" to make it almost 24"x24" and standing 22" high. I have a layer of 1/4" rubber under the table top that ensures you can actually use it as an end table with stuff on it without concern of too much vibration.
Very nicely done. I can see those being a big hit. WAF is a real problem for some, and being able to have end tables like that could go a long way toward placating those issues.
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Very nicely done. I can see those being a big hit. WAF is a real problem for some, and being able to have end tables like that could go a long way toward placating those issues.
WAF was my big issue - how else are you going to integrate large subs (in this case 18 inchers) into a living area that doubles as the "home theater"? When I came across David's sub-tables, I thought it was a great solution. I just moved into a new place and am having some furniture built. David coordinated with my furniture builder to match the wood and stain, so these will look like they are all part of the set... until we turn on the sound

I would have loved to do the 24's in table form, but they just were a bit large for the rest of my furniture.
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Can't remember which post but there is a pic showing 4 black curved cabs in basement....2 at screen and 2 at rear corners. Are those oak or maple?
The link isn't working for me on my phone (it just keeps rerouting me to this page), but I have 4 black maple 18's in my basement. You can review my post history in this thread for the pics. (I'd repost but I'm traveling for the next few weeks)
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How about a pair of Mariana 18S end tables in dark Walnut that should be delivered this week? Actually looks a little darker, less pink in person, guess I need to work on my white balance.



Wow, those are beautiful. Now I need to figure out how to convince the wife we need another pair nearfield. 😉
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What would be cool is a longer table that you often see behind a Sofa. That could fit dual 18's firing into the back of the seats
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What would be cool is a longer table that you often see behind a Sofa. That could fit dual 18's firing into the back of the seats
DSS has a longer sofa table with a 24" in it already. Performancewise that is roughly the equivalent of the 2x18" (slight edge to the 24").
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DSS has a longer sofa table with a 24" in it already. Performancewise that is roughly the equivalent of the 2x18" (slight edge to the 24").
What he said. By the way, this is the black oak finish where you can see the grain and is more furniture like, the black maple is so dark that the maple grain doesn't show so some have called it painted though it is a furniture quality finish.


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Those are black maple and since they are so dark, some have called them painted, even though it is a dark dye stain and furniture grade satin polyurethane.
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The link isn't working for me on my phone (it just keeps rerouting me to this page), but I have 4 black maple 18's in my basement. You can review my post history in this thread for the pics. (I'd repost but I'm traveling for the next few weeks)
He found your original post where you posted the pictures. Thanks!
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So basically you can't see the maple grain unless you are close to it? Still looks great! Love the small form factor.

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I still remember when one of those big subs was brought to the Show Newport a few years back. There was a movie playing in the room while I was talking to Coach. It was not very loud, but each time there was a bass event, my clothes would flutter and pulse with it. A fun time and experience.
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