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Has anyone actually heard the Klipsch r-110sw

I'm debating between the Klipsch r-110sw and the SVS PB1000. Both are the same price. I have been unable to find anything after countless searches that provides any good information on the r-110sw. I understand that it's a new model.

The called store I would be purchasing it from (my dad is friends with the owner) and he was really excited to tell me about the r-110sw. He admitted that recently Klipsch was not delivering good subwoofers, but then they came out with this one and it was A LOT better (reminiscent of several years ago, apparently).

So my main question here is: Does anyone have any experience with this sub?

And before you just go and tell me to buy the SVS, could you please explain to me what the SVS will be able to do better, and vice versa.

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- This will be going in a bedroom, about 9x15x8
- Mostly for music (rap, rock, pop... a lot of bass heavy stuff)
- Will also be watching movies and playing video games
- Dont especially need tons of output really low
- Pairing it with Paradigm Mini Monitors (Yamaha A-S500)

Thanks for any replies! I really appreciate it.

PS: Please do not recommend any subwoofer that is more expensive (and I'd really like to stick between my two options above). $500 is my absolute limit. I'm in college and I'm already leary about spending that much. Dont make me wish I had more money! haha
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There's no debate. Get the SVS PB-1000, if you limit yourself to those 2 choices.

But if you stretch your budget just a little, you can get an Outlaw Ultra X-12 for $579 shipped until June 15. The Ultra X-12 will smoke either one of those.

http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/ultra.html
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The pb1000 will walk all over the rws110.
That said take the above advice and spend the extra $80 and get the outlaw. It's more than worth the $80.
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There's no debate. Get the SVS PB-1000, if you limit yourself to those 2 choices.

But if you stretch your budget just a little, you can get an Outlaw Ultra X-12 for $579 shipped until June 15. The Ultra X-12 will smoke either one of those.

http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/ultra.html
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The pb1000 will walk all over the rws110.
That said take the above advice and spend the extra $80 and get the outlaw. It's more than worth the $80.
Ahhhhh. You guys are gonna make me go broke! Lol. That outlaw is so enticing!
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Ahhhhh. You guys are gonna make me go broke! Lol. That outlaw is so enticing!
I wouldn't have suggested going over your budget if it weren't worth it! The X-12 will have comparable performance to SVS's PB-2000.

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PB1000, stick to your budget.
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There's no debate. Get the SVS PB-1000, if you limit yourself to those 2 choices.

But if you stretch your budget just a little, you can get an Outlaw Ultra X-12 for $579 shipped until June 15. The Ultra X-12 will smoke either one of those.

http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/ultra.html
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PB1000, stick to your budget.
You're like my voice of reason haha. I think the outlaw would look funny in such a small space too. If the PB1000 isn't enough for some reason, they have the great 45 day trial and I can send it back and get the outlaw.

I appreciate all the help guys!
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You're like my voice of reason haha. I think the outlaw would look funny in such a small space too. If the PB1000 isn't enough for some reason, they have the great 45 day trial and I can send it back and get the outlaw.

I appreciate all the help guys!
If you're handy with a screwdriver, you can save some $$$ and get this Dayton Audio 15" kit. The box is not much bigger than the PB-1000, and it will work very well in your 1,080 cu ft room--especially for music.

Might as well try to save more $$$ if you're not stretching the budget!

https://www.parts-express.com/dayton...r-kit--300-770
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If you're handy with a screwdriver, you can save some $$$ and get this Dayton Audio 15" kit. The box is not much bigger than the PB-1000, and it will work very well in your 1,080 cu ft room--especially for music.

Might as well try to save more $$$ if you're not stretching the budget!

https://www.parts-express.com/dayton...r-kit--300-770
I do really like that option! Any reason not to go with this? I really wouldn't mind putting everything together. Especially if it meant saving money and getting a superior product (to the pb1000).
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I do really like that option! Any reason not to go with this? I really wouldn't mind putting everything together. Especially if it meant saving money and getting a superior product (to the pb1000).
I wouldn't recommend it if it weren't a good option! I wouldn't say it's superior to the PB-1000, but it will fit your needs better IMHO.

The kit is really easy to put together. You will get quite a bit of room gain, so a sealed design will work very well and get nice extension. The Dayton should hit harder from 40 Hz on up as well.

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Kits are great but do your research.
SVS is all about making great subs for good money.

I find that kits are all above output and people pick them because they are louder then others for the same price. You will have no problem with output in your room. Stick with a prebuilt sub.
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Kits are great but do your research.
SVS is all about making great subs for good money.

I find that kits are all above output and people pick them because they are louder then others for the same price. You will have no problem with output in your room. Stick with a prebuilt sub.
You swayed me. Looks like I'll be ordering the PB1000.

Thanks to all who replied! I feel like I'm making an informed decision. I would have loved to have gone with the outlaw ultra x-12, but I decided to stick to my budget.
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You swayed me. Looks like I'll be ordering the PB1000.

Thanks to all who replied! I feel like I'm making an informed decision. I would have loved to have gone with the outlaw ultra x-12, but I decided to stick to my budget.
PB-1000 is a great sub. Best thing I ever did for my system is getting that sub!
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SVS is all about making great subs for good money.

I find that kits are all above output and people pick them because they are louder then others for the same price. You will have no problem with output in your room. Stick with a prebuilt sub.
How did you find that? What kit did you put together and not like?
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PB-1000 is a great sub. Best thing I ever did for my system is getting that sub!
Just placed my order. Should be here between Tuesday and Friday. Thanks for the reassurance!
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You swayed me. Looks like I'll be ordering the PB1000.

Thanks to all who replied! I feel like I'm making an informed decision. I would have loved to have gone with the outlaw ultra x-12, but I decided to stick to my budget.
Staying on budget is a good thing, especially when going to school....
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Staying on budget is a good thing, especially when going to school....
This is very true. And it's easier said than done!
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How did you find that? What kit did you put together and not like?
I guess i'm not talking about kits in general as Rythmik's kits are not about output.
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I guess i'm not talking about kits in general as Rythmik's kits are not about output.
So no experience?
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So no experience?
Yes and no.

Just Car audio Kits. I guess I see the point in kits that do not have a box, but Kits that include everything??? I can't see how you save a lot on screws and glue.
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I was just curious what your experience was and how you determined most kits (there are very few available like this PE one mentioned in this thread) are all about spl. I wasn't talking about car competitions, I guess that's where you make the association with spl? That particular kit from PE is very simple, but prefinished and very easy to assemble, while I don't find them of particular value myself, even from PE you can get better value by assembling your own "kit" with a flatpack enclosure, and an amp and driver of your choice, adding in a terminal, some connnectors, they sell pretty much everything you need (finishing I don't think they have, but easy enough to find). The driver and amp in that particular kit don't do much for me in any case. Other places to source drivers, amps and flatpacks, too. Depends on your basic skills with using tools and following instructions (whole subforum of designs/ideas/help here at AVS) and finishing skills for the level of finish you can live with .
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Yes and no.

Just Car audio Kits. I guess I see the point in kits that do not have a box, but Kits that include everything??? I can't see how you save a lot on screws and glue.
Labor is a big cost. That is where the savings comes in with kits that include everything. This is obvious.

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I was just curious what your experience was and how you determined most kits (there are very few available like this PE one mentioned in this thread) are all about spl. I wasn't talking about car competitions, I guess that's where you make the association with spl? That particular kit from PE is very simple, but prefinished and very easy to assemble, while I don't find them of particular value myself, even from PE you can get better value by assembling your own "kit" with a flatpack enclosure, and an amp and driver of your choice, adding in a terminal, some connnectors, they sell pretty much everything you need (finishing I don't think they have, but easy enough to find). The driver and amp in that particular kit don't do much for me in any case. Other places to source drivers, amps and flatpacks, too. Depends on your basic skills with using tools and following instructions (whole subforum of designs/ideas/help here at AVS) and finishing skills for the level of finish you can live with .
For someone more advanced like yourself, yes the PE kit I recommended wouldn't do much for you. That kit fit the bill very well for the OP, who is a college student looking to get something nice while trying to save some $$$, and who will be listening in a small room. It is a very good introduction to DIY/AIY that is simple to assemble with proven reliable components, if not the most exciting to the more experienced members with deeper pockets. No woodworking skill needed, just a screwdriver and a little elbow grease.

With an F3 of around 33 Hz (using the amp's bass boost), that 15" sealed kit would have worked very well in the OP's small room of 1,080 cu ft. It was definitely a viable, less expensive alternative to the PB-1000.

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For someone more advanced like yourself, yes the PE kit I recommended wouldn't do much for you. That kit fit the bill very well for the OP, who is a college student looking to get something nice while trying to save some $$$, and who will be listening in a small room. It is a very good introduction to DIY/AIY that is simple to assemble with proven reliable components, if not the most exciting to the more experienced members with deeper pockets. No woodworking skill needed, just a screwdriver and a little elbow grease.

With an F3 of around 33 Hz (using the amp's bass boost), that 15" sealed kit would have worked very well in the OP's small room of 1,080 cu ft. It was definitely a viable, less expensive alternative to the PB-1000.
Don't get me wrong, your suggestion was a good one. While true it doesn't take much to put one of these kits together, it doesn't take a whole lot more to put together a flatpack and install the necessaries and you will get more bang for your buck, just depends on whether you want to put in a bit more work. I looked at these kits in the past, too and weighed the pros and cons just like anyone looking should. I did buy something similar, a PE speaker kit, the BR-1, with the pre-assembled box (but not crossover). The box itself was underwhelming as was the finish, and would have preferred other options in hindsight for the box. Subs I think are easier since no crossover necessary, and a beefier box is better than less (and I do not believe the box in the kit in question is full 3/4" mdf but I could be wrong).
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So I got my PB-1000 today. Based on reading all the stuff on this forum, and knowing I was only getting SVS's entry level sub, I wasn't expecting a whole lot. But MAN! In my small room, this thing definitely pounds a lot harder than I expected. I come from a car audio background (12" Alpine Type R, Alpine MRX-M50 500w amp, focal 6.5" components bi wired, Memphis Audio 50x4(conservative rating), all in a Volvo wagon) and wasn't expecting to get anywhere near what I have in there. And while it's not quite there, it gets surprisingly close; much closer than I thought it would! It pressurizes the room nicely (in b4 "I have better subs than you").

All in all, it's an awesome sub for the room and pairs nicely with my Paradigm Mini Monitors (xover just below 80hz).

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I shouldnt really have to worry about blowing out the woofer, right? The DSP will not even let the amp push that much power to the woofer?
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Congrats on the sub. I imagine if you put your mind to it you might be able to damage something with the right signal and duration and spl level but hopefully you'd be smart enough not to do something like that (but I have no idea how idiot-proof or smart the amp management is)....ask SVS or post it up on the official SVS thread?
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Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I shouldnt really have to worry about blowing out the woofer, right? The DSP will not even let the amp push that much power to the woofer?
Congrats.
Once you get over the WOW factor of the new sub I'm sure you will be turning it down to 0db to 5db hot depending on your taste. At this level you will not damage your sub at "regular" levels.

After a few weeks you should have your system running nicely to the point that you are not thinking of your sub and you are not wanting to turn it up or down.

Have fun and be carefull
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Is the general consensus still in favor of PB-1000? I recently started with RP-150M bookshelf speakers from Klipsch, and was figuring out if I should opt for the R-110SW or the PB-1000. My living is open format, and movie area is roughly 15x15 ft. I have a Marantz 1506 to drive everything. Thanks.
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Is the general consensus still in favor of PB-1000? I recently started with RP-150M bookshelf speakers from Klipsch, and was figuring out if I should opt for the R-110SW or the PB-1000. My living is open format, and movie area is roughly 15x15 ft. I have a Marantz 1506 to drive everything. Thanks.
PB1000 is a good sub at the pricepoint and I'd take it over the Klipsch personally (but no experience with that particular version, I do have a Klipsch RW12d), just a better backup/customer service plan even if subs were equal (and I doubt the Klipsch keeps up with the SVS but hard to know without some solid testing). No need to match brands between speakers and subs unless the aesthetic does something for you.
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