Originally Posted by unretarded
Just received/installed the clark silver.........a significant step up !
Seems to blend better also.........kept the same settings as the lower model to compare with the same signal.........the way these are rated is force per watt. It does put out more force per watt.......
Also made some make shift isolators I was using with the old one and disconnecting the seat from the concrete floor made a noticeable difference.........I was skeptical to how well isolators worked, but it is noticeable .
Next project is a LLT 18 behind each seat.......well, the MLP for now anyway...
Not sure I want to venture into EOT intro again, I think that's what smoked the old transducer....well running it with no HPF anyway.......almost 2 weeks with no transducer in one chair makes me want to take it slow now....LOL
I also need to do some REW sweeps with all 4 subs behind the seats............hopefully I will get motivated soon and get some VIB readings.........one has to be in the mood for such things.
Funny thing is, it only took about 10 minutes until I started thinking what the next step up in transducers would do..........insatiable craving for MOAR !!!!!!!
I wonder if Partsexpress will accept the other lower one back and give me store credit to the gold one.......
200 ftlbs was good, now that I have 300ft lbs of force, I want 400 ft lbs, might as well go to the platinum one at 980 ft lbs of force.......
LOL....J/K........the silver gives a crazy amount of force.....will try and trade up the other one to the silver.....I think it has been less than the time they give for returns , we will see as I will be calling them tomorrow.
Awesome that you think the Silver is a significant step up! And yes, isolators should make a noticeable improvement for sure! I've never tried my BKs and MAs without the isolators, but from everything I've ever read from lots of folks around here, its seems to be the consensus without a doubt.
Cool about building an LLT(s) behind each seat, or MLP. I've been kind of following along in your "Going all in, deep in of the pool" thread for building these things
One thing you may consider as well, since the LLT's are going to be huge, is going with a giant stack of sealed subs right behind your seating (the top cabs angled if need be to allow for reclining). Maybe a stack of 2 high right behind each seat. If you have ...say 3 seats real close together, that would mean about 36cuft all together (6 separate 6cuft sealed boxes) or 24 cuft (6 separate 4cuft sealed boxes). I think you were saying that your LLT will be about 30cuft IIRC in your thread. So it would be roughly the same size, or would be exactly if you made the sealed boxes 5cuft.
So in approximately the same amount of space, you could get some pretty crazy SPL and TR down into the single digits and have a ton up top for your midbass was well with 6 drivers in smallish sealed boxes right behind you. I only have 3 of them in 4cuft sealed boxes right behind me, and can get some pretty crazy TR down to around 8-10hz from them. Granted I have to run a pretty good LS (low shelf) to boost up the low end because I basically get no room gain in my huge open space, but doesn't seem to be a problem with multiple drivers that are so close behind me. 6 instead of 3 would be even better, but no way would that ever pass WAF. I'm lucky my wife let me have 3 behind the seats in the middle of the living room
I know it's been proven that ported has more TR around tune, but the 3 sealed boxes give me pretty much just as strong of TR down to 8-10hz as my combined 2 BK LFE's and 2 Crowson MA's together do, which IMO is saying a lot from sealed (although they have to be as close as possible). This should give you an idea of the TR of each from subs only and then TT's/MAs only in the VS graphs I ran not to long ago in this thread HERE
The graphs show my TR starts dropping off after about 12hz, but it still feels real strong well below that. For what ever reason VS doesn't seem to show much below 10-12hz, but its most definitely there subjectively.
So anyway, just an idea although I think your were wanting to only use 1-2 drivers. But you may consider going with more drivers and amps in multiple sealed enclosures for VNF if you can swing it. Either way, I'm sure your LLT's will kick some serious butt too though.
About the EOT intro, I don't blame you for not really wanting to run that again. If you do, maybe run it at a lower volume, say -20mv so its not as hard on your equipment. Your readings wont be as high, but who cares, it'll still show you what's going on at 30, 25, 20, 15, and 10hz. If I were you, I think I'd use the 0-50hz white noise instead. It'll give you a better view of what's going on across the board anyway (at least down to 10hz or so since VS doesn't seem to show much below) and wont be near as hard on your gear. And yes, I do agree that you have to be in the mood for it
Oh yeah I hear you about not taking long before you start thinking what the next step up in transducers would do for MOAR (this goes for more VNF subs and MBMs as well). This can be one crazy addicting hobby that can sometimes be like a thirst that's hard to quench when it comes to bass TR and Slam. Thus, the driving factor in wanting bigger and better gear and then optimizing it to its fullest with VibSensor and FR.
The thing I will say about the Transducers is that IME on my setup, the more power and TR I get from my VNF subs, the more power I want from my Transducers as well. What I'm trying to say is, I think they blend better as a whole when you have a lot of TR and Slam coming from the VNF's as opposed to only having FF subs and/or not as much coming from the subs right behind you. Another words, before I had VNF subs, I couldn't run my Transducers as high without them seeming not quite as natural and realistic with FF subs only. Did that make any sense? LOL I actually wouldn't mind adding more BK LFE's or Crowson MA's and probably will at some point
I just don't have the extra funds for it ATM.
So yeah, after you get you LLT's built or (giant stack of 6 sealed subs right behind you
), you'll probably be wanting the Platinum's or at least more Silvers!