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PSA S1500 vs SVS SB13Ultra?

Seems the SB13 Ultra is about twice the price and weighs more than the 1500. So what gives on the PSA1500 if it is half the price?

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The S1500 is $1k, the SB13 Ultra is $1600. A big price difference but definitely not half. The S1500 simply offers, arguably, a better value.

Now to be fair, the SVS comes in a premium piano black finish. The S1500 in a premium finish comes in at $1250 but this gives more of an apples to apples comparison. The only other advantage the Ultra has, imo, is an amplifier with 2 bands of PEQ.

With speakers and subs, the right design and good quality, high value components(such as the Lab15 driver used in the S1500) offer tremendous bang for the buck that is often hard to beat even with more expensive components(such as the amazing 13.5 inch driver in the Ultra).
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Not much doubt that the S1500 is a solid value. I think a better money comparison is the Ultra vs the S3000i. I own the S3000i (which is also less money than the SVS) and SB13-Ultra. The Ultra I use for music only, while the S3000i is mainly for movies and TV. Both do their jobs exceedingly well. I slightly prefer the Ultra for music (the S3000i is still very good) and prefer the S3000i for movies (more tactile feel).

The Ultra's amp has several important features. Since I use it in a 2.1 setup (no bass management), the Ultra comes with different octave slope adjustments on its high & low pass filters in order to fine tune the crossover, and a couple other handy implementations (the two PEQ's already mentioned and room gain compensation with adjustable slope, etc).
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The sub will be used in my 13x14 bedroom for 90% movies.

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Get the 15s and save money...very little performance difference.


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If it is much bigger than the SB13 Ultra, then it is out. The size of the Ultra is as big as i can get in my corner. Seems it takes close to the same space.

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15s- 18 x 17.25 x 19.5 (HxWxD)

SB13- 17.9 x 17.4 x 20.4
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15s- 18 x 17.25 x 19.5 (HxWxD)

SB13- 17.9 x 17.4 x 20.4
Same foot print really. Just never heard much on that brand and have been very happy with two SVS subs i have owned.

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Did you just not ask about the PSA S1500 in the OP? The 15s is the down firing version of the S1500, that is the only difference. Tom V. of PSA was the cofounder of SVS...he is the V is sVs. I own both SVS and PSA products...PSA offers more performance with the same sound quality for less money. Actually the 2 SVS subs I bought were on closeout...PC12NSD for 499.00 and SB12NSD for 399.00. At those prices SVS becomes attractive again, but at their normal pricing not so much. Still great subs regardless.
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What can i say, i am a SVS lover and it's hard for me to switch brands.

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What can i say, i am a SVS lover and it's hard for me to switch brands.
I was a loyal SVS customer until I gave the PSA v1800 a try. Once you'll hear the difference you'll wished you had made the move sooner. I've said a number of times since getting my sub from Tom that if I could sell my Plus locally for a decent amount I would have a second PSA sub ordered the minute the Plus sold. PSA is rolling out new products and upgrading old - what has SVS done lately to its subs?
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What can i say, i am a SVS lover and it's hard for me to switch brands.
Go for sb13U and you will be happy...it is proved and well regarded sub with a superb rewievs...buy it and dont look back...if you will have it 90% for music then you have nothing to think about as Dsrussell said he preffers sb13u in music even compared to s3000i... and it also looks much better than PSA especially the 15s which is ugly as hell at least to me ...the s1500 looks better but it must have a round corners as the other also looks awful...i hate those cheap corners that are not rounded...again my opinion ...other than that i am sure they are comparable subs but if you can then go for SVS. The only sub i would pick over the sb13u are s3000i and up
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Go for sb13U and you will be happy...it is proved and well regarded sub with a superb rewievs...buy it and dont look back...if you will have it 90% for music then you have nothing to think about as Dsrussell said he preffers sb13u in music even compared to s3000i... and it also looks much better than PSA especially the 15s which is ugly as hell at least to me ...the s1500 looks better but it must have a round corners as the other also looks awful...i hate those cheap corners that are not rounded...again my opinion ...other than that i am sure they are comparable subs but if you can then go for SVS. The only sub i would pick over the sb13u are s3000i and up
Spoken like a person who owns an SVS and spends time plugging them Just giving you a hard time Tom. Seriously regardless of which ID company - PSA, RA, Rythmik - the Ultra isn't the mac daddy of subs that it use to be. There are a number of subs from those companies that can match it or exceed it in output (Chucky is rubbing off on me) at a lower cost. Then you have driver size, when executed correctly makes a huge difference.

My beef with SVS is the lack of innovation over the past few years regarding their subs. All of the ID companies are improving and adding new products - giving us greater value for our $ then SVS. SVS seems to be more focused on their line of speakers IMO.

We all know drussell prefers the Ultra for music, but he is comparing one sub out of a number from PSA, with new subs introduced since then by PSA and others. As for beauty, that's in the eye of the owner as you said and finish options are available on a number of ID subs, My Plus cylinder is nice, but the build quality and look of my v1800 is top notch. Same cost, no comparison in output/sound and for me the PSA is much more musical.

In the end we are just giving our opinions, my advice is the OP can find equal or better performance looking elsewhere plus save some $.
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That is Drussels opinion and nothing wrong with that, but I doubt everybody would say the same.. I have heard both Ported and Sealed models from SVS and they sound no better with music then PSA. Granted I have not heard the SB13, But SVS PC12 does not sound better then the PSA XV15se, nor does the SB12. I have been happy with all of them for music. Either way I am sure the SB13 will not disappoint!!

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Spoken like a person who owns an SVS and spends time plugging them Just giving you a hard time Tom. Seriously regardless of which ID company - PSA, RA, Rythmik - the Ultra isn't the mac daddy of subs that it use to be. There are a number of subs from those companies that can match it or exceed it in output (Chucky is rubbing off on me) at a lower cost. Then you have driver size, when executed correctly makes a huge difference.

My beef with SVS is the lack of innovation over the past few years regarding their subs. All of the ID companies are improving and adding new products - giving us greater value for our $ then SVS. SVS seems to be more focused on their line of speakers IMO.

We all know drussell prefers the Ultra for music, but he is comparing one sub out of a number from PSA, with new subs introduced since then by PSA and others. As for beauty, that's in the eye of the owner as you said and finish options are available on a number of ID subs, My Plus cylinder is nice, but the build quality and look of my v1800 is top notch. Same cost, no comparison in output/sound and for me the PSA is much more musical.

In the end we are just giving our opinions, my advice is the OP can find equal or better performance looking elsewhere plus save some $.
You have to believe me i also got acquainted with SVS on this forum (i didnt know they even existed until a few years ago and i only own it ) and since i am from Europe that was the best choice if i wanted a good sealed sub for my small living room (in europe we have quite a smaller living rooms than you guys in the USA )...and yes i totally agree with you that it is pricy especially to recent PSA subs (which are to be honest amazing...V1500, V1800 and especially V3600 ) which offer better performance/money ratio...and i would gladly take a 2xPSA s3000i (with rounded corners of course ) or s36000 for the money you guys pay across the pond over sb13u (s1500 here in Europe is 2x the price in USA and it is comparable to ultra and that is why i would rather take an ultra)...but in the end if you want to have a better quality color of s1500 the price raises to a few hundreds less than SVS (in USA) and SVS has been reviewed a few times and got amazing reviews so in that case i would rather take sb13u but if you are ok with standard satin texture which is a few hundred less then that is a no brainer for a 1000 usd...but as for the same price s3000i is the winner hands down (if you have a place for it)...i expected someone would give me a hard time

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Seems the SB13 Ultra is about twice the price and weighs more than the 1500. So what gives on the PSA1500 if it is half the price?
My advice is, dont think too hard. Both are excellent subs and will bring u a smile, u wont go wrong with either my friend. The designer of SVS subs went to open up his own company in PSA fyi.

Just ask yourself this question, what is more important? Stay within a certain budget or size/ looks is important? If it's the former, just go for PSA. If it's the latter, SB13U.
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We all know drussell prefers the Ultra for music, but he is comparing one sub out of a number from PSA, with new subs introduced since then by PSA and others.

In the end we are just giving our opinions, my advice is the OP can find equal or better performance looking elsewhere plus save some $.
You’re right, it’s one man’s opinion (mine) and should be taken as such — meaning no better or worse than any other opinion. I have home auditioned the Hsu ULS-15, the PSA XS30 (which I owned for 2 years), the PSA S3000i (which I now own), received input from nalthien on the V1500 he auditioned using the same test music (he chose the S3000i), received input from Billy p (where in the heck has he been??) when he tested the SB13-Ultra against the XS30 (same results as I had). I also brought this music to this year’s audio show and David was gracious enough to let me test it on his DSS 24” Mariana. So it’s not like I evaluated one PSA sub only vs. the Ultra. I’ve also listened to (but not auditioned with my test music) the JL Audio Gotham G213, auditioned their Fathom F212, and the Paradigm Sub 1 (but again, not with my test music, but spent several hours critically listening). Yes, it’s still one man’s opinion, but I thought I’d set the record straight.

However, if one wants a great sub for both music and movies, I’m a big fan of the PSA sub I now own. I expect their latest offerings to be even better. I also like their standard finish. It’s much nicer in person than in most of the photos and goes well with my decor. Hey, it’s okay to like different subs for different reasons. I just happen to think that subwoofers do indeed sound different. That difference may or may not be rather small, but I've found a difference nonetheless.
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I plan to trade up my SB-1000 soon to a SB13U to use in my 2 channel Parasound A21/P5 setup. I got a PSA T-18HT over the holiday and i'm loving it!!!
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I plan to trade up my SB-1000 soon to a SB13U to use in my 2 channel Parasound A21/P5 setup. I got a PSA T-18HT over the holiday and i'm loving it!!!
Wow! Congratulations. That's one mean, powerful sub .

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Thanks, yeah it's a monster!.
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My advice is, dont think too hard. Both are excellent subs and will bring u a smile, u wont go wrong with either my friend. The designer of SVS subs went to open up his own company in PSA fyi.

Just ask yourself this question, what is more important? Stay within a certain budget or size/ looks is important? If it's the former, just go for PSA. If it's the latter, SB13U.
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Don't discount Rythmic subs. I replaced two SB13 Ultras to two Rythmic F12SE subs and in my opinion these are so much better than the SVS units. Deeper extension and tighter bass is the result I achieved. And they look great and in gloss!
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WOW...why would you do that? ...i wouldnt trade ultras for those sir no sir if it was F15 or E15 than that would be in the same league...

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WOW...why would you do that? ...i wouldnt trade ultras for those sir no sir if it was F15 or E15 than that would be in the same league...
Unfortunatley the SB13's were out of their league. I had a single PB12+ prior to those and it shook many things in my cabinet. I could barely feel the SB13 Ultras in my seat!

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Unfortunatley the SB13's were out of their league. I had a single PB12+ prior to those and it shook many things in my cabinet. I could barely feel the SB13 Ultras in my seat!
Of course pb12+ has more output down low (16-30hz) but you must also have a large room and it is very odd that you could barely feel the sb13 as i can feel it very easily if they are called to rumble but my room is on the small side . I highly doubt that 12 inch rythmik (they are in the sb2000 league) would have more rumble than sb13u but if you think so then who am i to judge

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I am not buying that either...sounds like a setup issue to me. no way a Rythmik F12 out guns a SB13. Jim Wilson did a comparison between the E15 and SB13 and they were very close. He did however slightly prefer the E15.
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I like if not love the new look of the PSA products.
If I haven't gotten the RA G15, I will definitely go for the either the new, round-edge S1500 or the down-firing 15S.
One of the reason I went with RA was its offering the round-edge.
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I am not buying that either...sounds like a setup issue to me. no way a Rythmik F12 out guns a SB13. Jim Wilson did a comparison between the E15 and SB13 and they were very close. He did however slightly prefer the E15.
Well I am only telling you how it is, in my room anyway. I started off with just the one PB12+ but the missus kept complaining about it's size so I changed over to the SB13 Ultra but was left disappointed in it's output, particularly below 25hz. I purchased a second SB13 Ultra and it added a little more output, but they both still didn't pressurize the room as per the one PB12+. I guess being sealed didn't help but with 1000w per sub on tap I expected more. I wanted my titanic picture on the wall to vibrate as it did with previous subs, but no it didn't happen with the Ultras.

I purchased 2 Rythmic 12SE's and after setup, noticed the bass was more detailed, faster and more fluent for a better word. Then I played my favourite bass CD, bassotronics. I heard deep bass extension I never heard on the Ultras, the titanic picture was vibrating again and music to me has never sounded better. The tight, articulated bass just made my many genres of music sound better.

Of course I am not saying the Ultras are rubbish, certainly not. But for me they under-performed, especially for the price they demand ($2999 each in Australia). It's the Rythmics for me, and maybe PSA next if the bass bug bites again.

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