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Very glad to read your comments, as I am also planning on adding these. How did you dial them in and integrate them?
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I decided that I wasn't going to touch my existing FR, and just add the 1200D into the fold...and hope for the best.

Reason being, I wanted to be able to do some AB testing to determine if I liked it or not.

It always takes quite a bit of time to integrate my FV15HPs, FTW21s, and Audessey. My EQ system is a pair of 2 band PEQs from elemental designs (eQ.2). They are effective especially with audyssey doing the majority of the work, but it takes time to integrate them to my liking (I want certain frequencies amplified by the nearfield FVs and certain ones by the FTWs).

My FV15HPs are tuned to 12hz, the 1200D is tuned to 50-60hz, and then I have my sealed FTW21s.

I wasn't expecting them to integrate all together by leaving everything as is, but this was more about Tactile Response that a better FR. If I like the TR better, than I'd go back to the drawing board and try and integrate all 5 subwoofers.

Here's where I landed just by inserting the 1200D, and adjusting the setting on that and keeping my other EQ settings the same:



Red is my FR before, and blue is it after....

Who knew! It literally integrated right in! It probably helped that I had a rising house curve before, and this flattened it out, but still...no phase problems at tune, it just filled the gap to make it flat. This probably saved me a half day of EQ'ing all these together.

I haven't done an AB comparisons yet, but first impressions are WOW! Lots more slam and TR! It certainly reminds me of when I had my FV15HP directly behind me. I'm amazed that this little 12in sub can keep up, but it definitely can...even with it's tiny footprint (14x17x16).

More to come, but so far I'm impressed...
^^^Here you go.

Pretty much plug and play in my setup.
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I'm late to this party (as usual), but trying to catch up. I'm about to put together an Ultimax 10 kit for nearfield use, but, looking at the FR above, it looks like you just changed your house curve from dropping at 50Hz to dropping at 100Hz. Makes me wonder if a change in eq philosophy might be worth considering.

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Very cool! These are really good at what they do, aren't they?

Have any pics?

Did you ever try one of your subs in the same position?
I couldn't place any of my other large subs where the MBM's are because my other subs are too large. Just listing to the sound differences between my subs and the Beringer the MBM performs better in midbass frequencies. The Beringer subwoofer is very good at what it does. I took a couple of pictures but I can't figure out how to post them from the tablet I'm currently using.
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I'm late to this party (as usual), but trying to catch up. I'm about to put together an Ultimax 10 kit for nearfield use, but, looking at the FR above, it looks like you just changed your house curve from dropping at 50Hz to dropping at 100Hz. Makes me wonder if a change in eq philosophy might be worth considering.

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Definitely worth considering. You should try solving your midbass craving with EQ first if you can.

However, FR doesn't tell the whole story. I've had a flat curve before and I can tell you the the 1200D nearfield is far more tactile with the same FR.

Check out the first post in this thread...increased PVL at tune was the premise for increased TR. The 1200D has a midbass tune, and thus is very tactile for an MBM.

Do you already have the Ultimax kit? Is it cheaper than the $300 1200D?
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I couldn't place any of my other large subs where the MBM's are because my other subs are too large. Just listing to the sound differences between my subs and the Beringer the MBM performs better in midbass frequencies. The Beringer subwoofer is very good at what it does. I took a couple of pictures but I can't figure out how to post them from the tablet I'm currently using.
You probably have to upload the pics somewhere, and copy and paste the link in the reply under 'Insert Image' icon...
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Yes, and I already have a 3000DSP.
http://www.parts-express.com/dayton-...ndle--300-7095
I don't think I'd have room for the 1200, anyway, which is why I went with the 10" kit, even though I'm not much of a DIY fan.
We'll see, since I have a ButtKicker and REW and VibSensor.
If I ever have the time, I'm going to be VERY busy.

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I have an accelerometer and preamp on order to take some tactile vs frequency vs speaker size measurements. I'll also expand on the platform building measurements I already took with my phone's accelerometer. Should be fun and informative.
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I have an accelerometer and preamp on order to take some tactile vs frequency vs speaker size measurements. I'll also expand on the platform building measurements I already took with my phone's accelerometer. Should be fun and informative.
I'm looking into going that route as well as it will expand on this testing by a large amount. It should be a big step forward. It would be greatly appreciated if you could/would post all of your accelerometer data and share with us on the VibSensor thread. This will be expanded to include the next step up in accelerometer testing. It would be cool to have a manufacturer's prospective on this(you'd be the first to my knowledge in a forum setting at least) not too mention the huge amount of data you could bring to this SHOW. Fun and Informative for sure.
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Yes, and I already have a 3000DSP.
http://www.parts-express.com/dayton-...ndle--300-7095
I don't think I'd have room for the 1200, anyway, which is why I went with the 10" kit, even though I'm not much of a DIY fan.
We'll see, since I have a ButtKicker and REW and VibSensor.
If I ever have the time, I'm going to be VERY busy.

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I'm sure the Ultimax will serve you well.

Just as an FYI, the 1200D is only 17.0x14.8x16.7. I believe the Ultimax is a 15.25 cube.
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Here are some pictures of my theater with the Beringer mid bass modules.
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Just as an FYI, the 1200D is only 17.0x14.8x16.7. I believe the Ultimax is a 15.25 cube.
Correct. Too big, even if I had known about it.


Which is unusual, since I usually find the perfect solution shortly after endless research and the purchase of something not as good.


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Here are some pictures of my theater with the Beringer mid bass modules.
Nice setup. Looks like you could use a GlareStopper, though:
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I have an accelerometer and preamp on order to take some tactile vs frequency vs speaker size measurements. I'll also expand on the platform building measurements I already took with my phone's accelerometer. Should be fun and informative.


Most definitely. Looking forward to your findings.


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^^^Here you go.



Pretty much plug and play in my setup.


Thanks! It appears, at least in your setup, that the nearfield positioning of the Mbm smoothed out the response. I wonder if that's typical or unique to your particular configuration.


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Thanks! It appears, at least in your setup, that the nearfield positioning of the Mbm smoothed out the response. I wonder if that's typical or unique to your particular configuration.


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Yup...I had a rising house curve before, so adding the mbm flattened out my response.

IOW, I got lucky.
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What are the "best" pre-made subwoofers to consider for Mid Bass?

I've read mention of these two.Would be surprised if there weren't more good pre-made* to consider.

*pre-made = not DIY

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Can I do this to "build" my own MBM?

I have an old unused JBL PSW 1200. I haven't used it, since I bought my Seaton MFW15 Turbo SS.

So my idea is to repurpose it as a MBM - IF it is a good idea that might work.

On the subwoofer cable, I add an inline high pass filter. Maybe a 60 Hz. That will attenuate any frequencies below that level. Then on the subwoofer itself, I set the Crossover Filter (which I assume is a low pass filter) to 90. (I can choose values between 90 and 150 Hz).

So the subwoofer would only be concentrating on 60 to 90 Hz, which is where you all say TR takes place.

Do you all think this might work?
Just to follow up on this.

I bought a 50hz high pass filter (from Parts Express) and added it inline. Turned my JBL sub's Crossover knob (which I am assuming is a Low Pass Filter) to mid-point, which is ~120hz. JBL is same distance from MLP as Seaton. Volume knob at max.

Then my wife and I sat down and listened to The Man From Uncle, clock tolling scene. Never changed any volumes.

Disclaimer: My wife has VERY little appreciation of audio (or my interest in the subject). Whenever I say something sounds good or not as good, she says I am going hard of hearing. WHAT? I don't think she even knows what distortion or bass is.

Listened to that scene with just the Seaton (and the JBL unplugged). Then with JBL added in.

Before I had a chance to say anything, she said that after adding the JBL the movie scene did not sound as smooth. I cannot disagree with her. I was getting more tactile response though with the JBL. I would say that if she had an opinion on the subject, then it must have really been badder.

My next step might be to lower the volume and move it near field (which even I don't like to look of).

It is quite possible that at any volume the JBL has much more distortion than the Seaton.

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Reverse polarity?
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Reverse Polarity - huh. Never thought of that. Will have to give it a try. Thanks for the suggestion.

Just curious part 1 - does REW help figure out which polarity would be better?

Just curious part 2 - can REW be used to measure a speaker's distortion?
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Yes to both.

If reversing the polarity helps, you will get addition of the signal (higher spl).
If reversing the polarity doesn't help, you get cancellation of the signal (lower spl).

There is a distortion tab. Apparently THD and the third harmonic are the most important. Don't ask me why.

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When I recently calibrated two Beringer 1200D subs near field I set them 180 degrees out of phase from my other larger subwoofers. The time alignment was better and I had a higher SPL with the near field placement with the 1200D's phase reversed.
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When I recently calibrated two Beringer 1200D subs near field I set them 180 degrees out of phase from my other larger subwoofers. The time alignment was better and I had a higher SPL with the near field placement with the 1200D's phase reversed.


I can't deny poster's experiences in this forum with greater tactility with the phases between large and mbm's reversed, but I don't understand why this is the case. It seems to run counter to what conventional wisdom says about speaker and sub alignment. I'm certainly going to try this in my system, but can someone explain the physics underlying this?


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I can't deny poster's experiences in this forum with greater tactility with the phases between large and mbm's reversed, but I don't understand why this is the case. It seems to run counter to what conventional wisdom says about speaker and sub alignment. I'm certainly going to try this in my system, but can someone explain the physics underlying this?


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I call it the TR trick...essentially, running partially out of phase allows you to minimize the SPL being produced but maximize the Sound Intensity (or more specifically the quantity PVL).

Sound Intensity (SIL or I) = Particle Velocity (PVL or v) * Pressure (SPL or p)

About a year ago, we discussed this...

Video of increased vibration by out of phase condition

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I call it the TR trick...essentially, running partially out of phase allows you to minimize the SPL being produced but maximize the Sound Intensity (or more specifically the quantity PVL).



Sound Intensity (SIL or I) = Particle Velocity (PVL or v) * Pressure (SPL or p)



About a year ago, we discussed this...



Video of increased vibration by out of phase condition



Summary of Out of Phase observations



Example of @coolrda EOT with phase inverted, producing more vibration


Wow! Thanks. This is not called AVS for no reason. Going to take some time to read through this and get educated. Great work!


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Wow! Thanks. This is not called AVS for no reason. Going to take some time to read through this and get educated. Great work!


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I did it in a much less scientific way...I adjusted the distance of my second sub (really a pair of subs) by ear and by the seat of the pants until I got more "impact". I ended up taking about 6' off of the second sub's distance and my system literally came alive. I've never had impact like this before using the standard methods, and I've been tweaking with REW for over 2 years.

My FR isn't as pretty as it was, but man oh man do I get a lot of visceral impact now.
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Does changing the polarity or the sub's distance add/increase/effect distortion?

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For those of you like @dominguez1 that are using a Behringer B1200D to increase your tactile response what are your sub's amplifier settings that you are using? A photo would be great. Thank you.

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Does changing the polarity or the sub's distance add/increase/effect distortion?
For me, it made very little difference in distortion. A bit more at certain frequencies, a bit less at others. YMMV.
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You know I must be slow because I've been reading the Behringer B1200D EUROLIVE model name as Euro-Olive. I had just figured that maybe the black has an olive tint to it. Or that the word Olive has special meaning in Europe.

I know now that it is Euro-Live. Duh!

So now I will start wondering if they have model named American-Live, and if so, does it sound less accented than the Euro-Live.
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So now I will start wondering if they have model named American-Live, and if so, does it sound less accented than the Euro-Live.

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