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View Poll Results: Which subwoofer brings most bang for buck in 2016?
SVS 20 20.20%
JTR 14 14.14%
Reaction Audio 4 4.04%
Power Sound Audio 25 25.25%
Season Sound 5 5.05%
Rythmik Audio 7 7.07%
HSU Research 10 10.10%
Other 14 14.14%
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I cast a vote for other....that being Funk Audio or potentially Deep Sea Sound.
I agree with this.
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How does one purchase a jtr if there is no purchasing info on their site. Same for seaton?

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I agree with this.
True DSS and Funk are probably the BEST options for those who can afford them. I certainly would if I could!

The poll does specify "bang for buck" tho, so for my dollar I think RA and JTR have specific offerings that are the best output per dollar. Specifically in the 1000-1500 category I think the JTR HT118 looks to be an incredible value. And just making the cut at <2k, the RA Echo21 is gonna be tough to beat output wise.

At all around bang for buck including standard finish and flexibility with a higher budget, I think the new Seaton F18 master/slave options are pretty sweet too.
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The poll does specify "bang for buck" tho, so for my dollar I think RA and JTR have specific offerings that are the best output per dollar. Specifically in the 1000-1500 category I think the JTR HT118 looks to be an incredible value.

Exactly this.


I love me some SVS for the free trial and other perks- and think the PB1/2000 are still pretty solid at their price points... but the more expensive SVS subs aren't looking too great in bang/buck against some of the newer stuff out there.
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So...I must ask since some of the "other" options are not deemed bang for the buck....what is the limit. Its not like SubM or JTR come cheap nor have the small form factor that I'm looking for as bang for the buck...

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Can we stop saying that the PB13 doesn't hold up to some of the new subwoofers out there. You are comparing 18" subwoofers with a 13.5 inch subwoofer. Sure the Pb13 holds its own, but it has trouble besting these single and dual 15 and 18's.
The JL Audio f113 seems like a better compare. Just my opinion. Please don't kill me.

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Can we stop saying that the PB13 doesn't hold up to some of the new subwoofers out there. You are comparing 18" subwoofers with a 13.5 inch subwoofer. Sure the Pb13 holds its own, but it has trouble besting these single and dual 15 and 18's.
The JL Audio f113 seems like a better compare. Just my opinion. Please don't kill me.
Why should we stop, when PB 13 Ultra, a 13.5" sub, is PRICED MORE than those newer subs out there, when the former has trouble besting those single and dual 15 and 18's?
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Can we stop saying that the PB13 doesn't hold up to some of the new subwoofers out there. You are comparing 18" subwoofers with a 13.5 inch subwoofer. Sure the Pb13 holds its own, but it has trouble besting these single and dual 15 and 18's.
The JL Audio f113 seems like a better compare. Just my opinion. Please don't kill me.
Its the price and size of the PB13 that puts itself in those comparisons. No one is singling it out, its just that the competition has increased 10 fold and SVS has done nothing in response because they are happy with their market share.
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Can we stop saying that the PB13 doesn't hold up to some of the new subwoofers out there. You are comparing 18" subwoofers with a 13.5 inch subwoofer. Sure the Pb13 holds its own, but it has trouble besting these single and dual 15 and 18's.
The JL Audio f113 seems like a better compare. Just my opinion. Please don't kill me.
The PB13 Ultra was a fine sub for it's time, but time has moved on. The v3600i from PSA is $2000, the JTR Cap 1400 is $1900 plus shipping ($2000), and the SVS PB13 Ultra is $2000. This is an apples to apples comparison as a consumer - the fact that the SVS has a 13.5 inch driver is their fault, not the markets. In the $2000 price point, I think the PB13 Ultra is a very poor decision for a new sub buyer. I am not bashing SVS, I used to own two PB13 Ultras. The reality is that there are a lot better subs for the money now.
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Crazy it's still in the conversation, after all these years. I doubt any other driver has made such an impact on the industry, except maybe the JL W7
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You've got to be kidding me. I had no idea. Well back to the drawing board. The only thing that stinks is I don't have anywhere near me to audition the other subs. Only svs. And I really want to audition Jtr and psa. I'll email both companies, maybe we can arrange something.


Thank you for providing that info. Much appreciated.
Auditioning subs is overrated. Its more your room that matters as well as integration into your system and to have sufficient sub to meet your goals. A retailer's facility....meh. Especially if you're talking BB or someone like that.

I voted other for diy as the "pole" is seen before any additional posts....you can't amend the original post? Maybe not the poll, but the post itself? If I had to buy a sub again it'd either be Seaton or JTR...maybe Deep Sea Sound....but I'm happy with diy.

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Crazy it's still in the conversation, after all these years. I doubt any other driver has made such an impact on the industry, except maybe the JL W7
Because a lot of people still own it or other SVS subs. People love to talk about and recommend what they own. I haven't seen too many people openly admit they own and operate older, inferior products It would be a great sub to pick up used but it is waayy long in the tooth for today's market.
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With its fit and finish I think the PB13 needs to be put in the higher end category such as JL, Paradigm, etc. It would be a bargain in that world.
I just ordered a v3600i so I get your point.
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Around the $1,200.00 price range SVS seems to have a good value compared to JTR and Power Sound Audio.

PB12 Ultra $1,399.00 / 800RMS - 12"
JTR Captivator 118HT $1,299 / 700RMS - 18"
Power Sound Audio V1800 $1,299.00 / 725RMS - 18"

Once you hit $2,000.00 price range the game changes.

PB13 Ultra $1,999.00 / 1000RMS -13.5"
JTR Captivator 1400 $1,899.00 / 1400RMS - 18"
JTR Captivator 218HT $2,199.00 / 1400RMS - Dual 18"
Power Sound Audio V3600I $1,999.00 / 1700RMS - Dual 18"
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With its fit and finish I think the PB13 needs to be put in the higher end category such as JL, Paradigm, etc. It would be a bargain in that world.
I just ordered a v3600i so I get your point.
I did an in-home demo of the s3000i and didn't find the SVS fit and finish any better to the PSA. I ended up going with Deep Sea Sound 24's because I wanted more output down low but the PSA sub was top notch and easily bested the SVS PB13U.

Lets reconvene this conversation after you have the v3600i in your room. I think it will be more agreeable
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I agree that you can get more for your money. When company X and Y make a 13 inch sub that hangs with the Ultra let me know.
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I would rather have 2 subs vs one...dont care what brand they are just as long as they are smooth and tight sounding and not the size of a coffin. rythmik and velodyne work well in my home.
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With its fit and finish I think the PB13 needs to be put in the higher end category such as JL, Paradigm, etc. It would be a bargain in that world.
I just ordered a v3600i so I get your point.
When you get your v3600 you will see its not lacking in build quality. It is not gloss black, but the fit of the pieces will be just as good. But hey at least the resale is great on the SVS subs when you upgrade to dual V3600.
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Dual V3600's. That has a nice ring to it.

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I agree that you can get more for your money. When company X and Y make a 13 inch sub that hangs with the Ultra let me know.
You do know that Tom Vodhanel of PSA is the "V" in SVS, right? Fairly confident he is still using the same methodology and engineering excellence now as he did then.
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Around the $1,200.00 price range SVS seems to have a good value compared to JTR and Power Sound Audio.

PB12 Ultra $1,399.00 / 800RMS - 12"
JTR Captivator 118HT $1,299 / 700RMS - 18"
Power Sound Audio V1800 $1,299.00 / 725RMS - 18"

Once you hit $2,000.00 price range the game changes.

Bit more to a sub than watts RMS...

For those 3 looking at the rest of the specs PB12+ (plus not ultra at that price)< V1800 < 118HT and noticeable jumps at each step

So SVS is offering the weakest performer at the highest price

The PB12 Plus only gives you 2-3db more than the PB2000 while asking almost double the price.

It's as badly in need of updating (or getting way cheaper) as the PB13U is, maybe moreso as I'd take two PB2000s over one PB12+ for similar pricing, or the JTR over either.
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Bit more to a sub than watts RMS...

For those 3 looking at the rest of the specs PB12+ (plus not ultra at that price)< V1800 < 118HT and noticeable jumps at each step

So SVS is offering the weakest performer at the highest price
So in your opinion in descending order, at that price range,

JTR would be up top
PSA would be next
SVS would be last

As far as performance goes..all watts aside. I'm learning as I read reviews and as I ask this question. Looking to get some insight. I sometimes get hung up on watts.

Oh and by the way everyone, Nebraska Furniture Mart was out of stock of the 13ultra today so now it's back to drawing board on which one I should order to audition.
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I would say PSA is going to be hard to beat at any price.
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Around the $1,200.00 price range SVS seems to have a good value compared to JTR and Power Sound Audio.

PB12 Ultra $1,399.00 / 800RMS - 12"
JTR Captivator 118HT $1,299 / 700RMS - 18"
Power Sound Audio V1800 $1,299.00 / 725RMS - 18"

Once you hit $2,000.00 price range the game changes.

PB13 Ultra $1,999.00 / 1000RMS -13.5"
JTR Captivator 1400 $1,899.00 / 1400RMS - 18"
JTR Captivator 218HT $2,199.00 / 1400RMS - Dual 18"
Power Sound Audio V3600I $1,999.00 / 1700RMS - Dual 18"
No SVS doesn't...both the V1800 and Cap 118 will crush the PB12+ in output. Wattage is a very small part of the equation and can not be used to predict performance. SVS is only a good value when you can score a outlet or closeout deal. This is coming from somebody that owns a couple SVS subs. Don't get me wrong, The SVS stuff is still very good but not a value leader by any means.
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No SVS doesn't...both the V1800 and Cap 118 will crush the PB12+ in output. Wattage is a very small part of the equation and can not be used to predict performance. SVS is only a good value when you can score a outlet or closeout deal. This is coming from somebody that owns a couple SVS subs. Don't get me wrong, The SVS stuff is still very good but not a value leader by any means.
That's my mistake. Like I said I'm learning. I appreciate the feedback! 👍

The more I listen to you all the more I'm leaning to PSA/JTR.
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That's my mistake. Like I said I'm learning. I appreciate the feedback! 👍

The more I listen to you all the more I'm leaning to PSA/JTR.

You will be more than happy with any of those subs. I went with the JTR after listening to a bunch of SW brands. When I first got the Captivator 1400, it was sliding around on the Subdude (then Mark Seaton directed me to a foam base that solved the problem). It was my first time seeing anything like that - You can watch the video below (volume at -12.5 dB, sub trimmed 3 dB hot):



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I like SVS 1000 and 2000 series you want more than that PSA all day. S1800 would be nice in my 1000 cubes.

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No problem! JTR is top notch stuff for sure. The biggest difference between PSA and JTR is size difference...PSA tends to be more compact for its class at the expense of a little deep bass sensitivity, where JTR is more no holds barred. If you have the room and no problems with huge black boxes, JTR is hard to beat. However, if you wander into the DIY section, you might read folks saying how small JTR subs are for the performance they produce...lol
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No SVS doesn't...both the V1800 and Cap 118 will crush the PB12+ in output. Wattage is a very small part of the equation and can not be used to predict performance. SVS is only a good value when you can score a outlet or closeout deal. This is coming from somebody that owns a couple SVS subs. Don't get me wrong, The SVS stuff is still very good but not a value leader by any means.
+1
I was going to say the same thing, but figured I had said enough already. I didn't want to come across as an SVS hater because I am not. I just don't think their products offer much value when lined up against the current competition.
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