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View Poll Results: Which subwoofer brings most bang for buck in 2016?
SVS 20 20.20%
JTR 14 14.14%
Reaction Audio 4 4.04%
Power Sound Audio 25 25.25%
Season Sound 5 5.05%
Rythmik Audio 7 7.07%
HSU Research 10 10.10%
Other 14 14.14%
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A 2016 review of subwoofers. Which do you suggest?

With the number of subwoofer threads reaching into the stratosphere, I think it would be nice to have a poll of the current subwoofer market (2016).

Everything I've searched as far as reviews is dated. Though all these are valid reviews and solid information I believe we need something that's quick and sums up people's opinion all in one poll.

While current threads exist for just about everyone of these brands listed above, my goal with this thread is to be a one stop shop to quickly see people's opinion on which brand is "hott" this year. And if you feel the need to dig deeper on any of those brands then you can start digging up more info from the threads currently out there for each subwoofer.

vote for the one that has the best value to performance ratio in 2016.

*i understand not every sub is listed but for the most part these are the ones I see brought up in every discussion.

**one final note. If you vote for "other" please post what brand that is.

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What brand is "Season Sound?" Did you mean "Seaton?" If not, then Seaton should be up there for sure.


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What brand is "Season Sound?" Did you mean "Seaton?" If not, then Seaton should be up there for sure.


Cheers,
My apologies. Yes you are correct.

SEASON IS SUPPOSE TO BE SEATON EVERYONE.

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My apologies. Yes you are correct.

SEASON IS SUPPOSE TO BE SEATON EVERYONE.

The pitfalls of starting a thread on an iPhone with autocorrect that doesn't recognize quality sound

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No worries - I was very intrigued that there might be a new sub brand that I hadn't heard of. It's tough keeping up with ID brands.


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Other is DIY right?
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Edit-

Actually lets keep this poll a brand specific pole. I would agree DIY brings best bang for the buck in the long run. However I'd like to see of these brands, which one is getting it "right" in 2016.

A "turn key" option for the average user out there who simply wants to open up a box and plug it in to their current system.

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Not to be THAT guy...but Funk Audio should be on the list...full stop
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SVS and PSA are at the top of my list. Reaction Audio would be at the bottom......or maybe lift up the hatch on the bottom and down below there is where I would rate RA.
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SVS and PSA are at the top of my list. Reaction Audio would be at the bottom......or maybe lift up the hatch on the bottom and down below there is where I would rate RA.
Why is that?
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Not to be THAT guy...but Funk Audio should be on the list...full stop

Agree - Funk, Seaton and JTR should be in every SW list.


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Out of those PSA and SVS.

Rythmik would be at the bottom even though it has servo

Before the anger I'm messing with you Rythmik fans.
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It appears that Svs and PSA are doing well. I plan on auditioning every sub within the next 5 months before my home is built. It appears most have an auditioning program that I will utilize. I will purchase the biggest sub from each and see which one meets my needs. I see a lot of hype on the rythmik sub using a servo. I'm very interested to see how that sub differs from the rest.

I'm new to this world of high quality. Most of these brands I only recently learned of within the past 30 days.

Thank you all for your input so far. Looking forward to the days ahead to see what others think.
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Would the PSA S3000i be a good upgrade in terms of output over my HSU VTF15h. Would it be equal to having 4 VTF15h subs?
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Would the PSA S3000i be a good upgrade in terms of output over my HSU VTF15h. Would it be equal to having 4 VTF15h subs?
From a output standpoint, the 3000i will have significant output advantage in the mid upper bass...but around the VTF15's tuning point they would be close. I think the 3000i overall would be a upgrade, but not 4:1.
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How does one purchase a jtr if there is no purchasing info on their site. Same for seaton?

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From a output standpoint, the 3000i will have significant output advantage in the mid upper bass...but around the VTF15's tuning point they would be close. I think the 3000i overall would be a upgrade, but not 4:1.
Do need to mention that this is the first generation HSU VTF15h and not the Mk2 version, which apparently equals two first generation models in terms of output. More importantly, how does the MK2 stand against the V1500? I'm trying to stick with HSU, as I have the first generation model VTF15h, but if PSA offers better performance/price ratio I may decide to go with them. If someone can give me a proper ratio for those three models in terms of output and extension I'd appreciate it.


PSA 3000i:?
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Well you are not comparing apples to apples so it's not a easy comparison. The V1500 and VTF15.2 are really close in terms of output. Comparing sealed to sealed It takes about 3 ULS-15.1's to equal a 3000i. So if you are planning on going sealed, stepping up to a 3000i will again gain you more 50-100hz output and more then likely audible SQ improvements as well. Increased extension is another benefit long as you have ample amounts of room gain to make use of it. The 3000i will slam hard!! That is one big perk to dual opposed sealed alignments like the Seaton Submersive and PSA 3000/3600i
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Well you are not comparing apples to apples so it's not a easy comparison. The V1500 and VTF15.2 are really close in terms of output. Comparing sealed to sealed It takes about 3 ULS-15.1's to equal a 3000i. So if you are planning on going sealed, stepping up to a 3000i will again gain you more 50-100hz output and more then likely audible SQ improvements as well. Increased extension is another benefit long as you have ample amounts of room gain to make use of it. The 3000i will slam hard!! That is one big perk to dual opposed sealed alignments like the Seaton Submersive and PSA 3000/3600i
If all things being equal and the VTF15h MK2, V1500 and s3000i are set to operate with the most output, which model will also have the most in-room extension? HSU claims 16hz, and PSA claims 14hz/11hz. Would PSA have the advantage here in both output and extension?
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SVS for buttoned-down customer service, shipping and overall general support. Besides, their resale value is great and there's something to be said there for that. Oh, and I do love my PC-12+ and 20-39 PCI. Look like dual water heaters in the front of my room. However, they've been recently upstaged by the JBL Studio 590s which are friggin' enormous!

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It appears that Svs and PSA are doing well. I plan on auditioning every sub within the next 5 months before my home is built. It appears most have an auditioning program that I will utilize. I will purchase the biggest sub from each and see which one meets my needs..
Of those listed, PSA, SVS and Reaction Audio are the ones that offer free return shipping within an initial period of time. This is 30 days to 45 days, depending on the company. However, if you are buying a large sub from PSA or RA, this policy does not apply. So say you ordered a RA Echo 21 or a PSA V3600i, you would be responsible for paying return shipping. I will say that if you plan on auditioning a Reaction Audio sub before your house is ready in 5 months, then you had better order one right now. You may luck out and actually get it before the house is built.
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Of those listed, PSA, SVS and Reaction Audio are the ones that offer free return shipping within an initial period of time. This is 30 days to 45 days, depending on the company. However, if you are buying a large sub from PSA or RA, this policy does not apply. So say you ordered a RA Echo 21 or a PSA V3600i, you would be responsible for paying return shipping. I will say that if you plan on auditioning a Reaction Audio sub before your house is ready in 5 months, then you had better order one right now. You may luck out and actually get it before the house is built.
That's what bothers me..how much shipping may be to return a v3600i.

Svs I can purchase down the street from a local retailer that has a 30 day return policy.

Tomorrow I will go to local retailer to buy pb13ultra and listen to for a few weeks. In the mean time I'll figure out a plan to pay for return shipping if the next subwoofer up, PSA, doesn't work out. But I have a feeling once I go that route I won't want to return it.


The other one I'm strongly considering is jtr but I have no idea how to purchase one if their website doesn't have buying options..

Reaction's 21" I'm a little iffy about. Rythmiks 600w may not be enough power for me. Same goes for HSU. Both respectable in this game. But I want volumes of pressure.

Seaton appears to only offer sealed. And again same goes for this brand, no buying options and they appear to only have a Facebook.
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That's what bothers me..how much shipping may be to return a v3600i.

Svs I can purchase down the street from a local retailer that has a 30 day return policy.

Tomorrow I will go to local retailer to buy pb13ultra and listen to for a few weeks. In the mean time I'll figure out a plan to pay for return shipping if the next subwoofer up, PSA, doesn't work out. But I have a feeling once I go that route I won't want to return it.
Well I wanted to point this out, since you stated you were going to buy the largest sub from each company. You would be on the hook for return shipping on all of them other than SVS. Return shipping would be very costly and quite a hassle. These large subs usually ship via freight companies, usually on a pallet. Depending on where you live the tractor trailer might not even be able to get to your house.

Not knowing what your room size and layout is, the SVS PB13 Ultra is a highly rated and impressive sub.

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Well I wanted to point this out, since you stated you were going to buy the largest sub from each company. You would be on the hook for return shipping on all of them other than SVS. Return shipping would be very costly and quite a hassle. These large subs usually ship via freight companies, usually on a pallet. Depending on where you live the tractor trailer might not even be able to get to your house.

Not knowing what your room size and layout is, the SVS PB13 Ultra is a highly rated and impressive sub.


You've got to be kidding me. I had no idea. Well back to the drawing board. The only thing that stinks is I don't have anywhere near me to audition the other subs. Only svs. And I really want to audition Jtr and psa. I'll email both companies, maybe we can arrange something.

Thank you for providing that info. Much appreciated.
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You've got to be kidding me. I had no idea. Well back to the drawing board. The only thing that stinks is I don't have anywhere near me to audition the other subs. Only svs. And I really want to audition Jtr and psa. I'll email both companies, maybe we can arrange something.

Thank you for providing that info. Much appreciated.
I really don't think you could go wrong with either the PSA V3600i or JTR Cap 1400. Those are both brutes for under 2K. The PSA does have the advantage in warranty, however.
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You've got to be kidding me. I had no idea. Well back to the drawing board. The only thing that stinks is I don't have anywhere near me to audition the other subs. Only svs. And I really want to audition Jtr and psa. I'll email both companies, maybe we can arrange something.

Thank you for providing that info. Much appreciated.

I would choose the JTR Captivator 1400 over the SVS PB13 Ultra for sure. They are both around the same price, but the JTR is much more powerful with an 18 inch driver as opposed to a 13.5 inch driver in the PB13. I had a chance to check out both the PB13 Ultra and the JTR via my friends - there was no contest. The JTR was incredibly powerful and pumped out super clean bass. I went with the Cap 1400. Do try and check out the JTR Cap 1400 or Seaton subs before you decide to plonk down $2K for an SVS. The SVS, while good, is not in the same league as the JTR or Seaton (more so given they are in the similar price range). There is a thread on these forums that lists members with subs, by location who are willing to let you audition their subs at their homes. Maybe you can find someone close to your place to audition the JTR.


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I would start with a PSA V1800 if you order a sub from them. That way you can audition the PSA sound for 30 days free. If you feel it is enough, then keep it, if you want more send it back and get the V3600i. Both subs should sound very simar, the V3600 will have more headroom. It actually has double the output of a PB13 through most of the operating bandwidth...so a V1800 and PB13 should be fairly close overall.
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I really don't think you could go wrong with either the PSA V3600i or JTR Cap 1400. Those are both brutes for under 2K. The PSA does have the advantage in warranty, however.
Agreed. After careful review of both specs they appear to be monsters..literally. My wife will be terrified

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I would choose the JTR Captivator 1400 over the SVS PB13 Ultra for sure. They are both around the same price, but the JTR is much more powerful with an 18 inch driver as opposed to a 13.5 inch driver in the PB13. I had a chance to check out both the PB13 Ultra and the JTR via my friends - there was no contest. The JTR was incredibly powerful and pumped out super clean bass. I went with the Cap 1400. Do try and check out the JTR Cap 1400 or Seaton subs before you decide to plonk down $2K for an SVS. The SVS, while good, is not in the same league as the JTR or Seaton (more so given they are in the similar price range). There is a thread on these forums that lists members with subs, by location who are willing to let you audition their subs at their homes. Maybe you can find someone close to your place to audition the JTR.


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I keep hearing this time and time again..which reassures me. The output of the 1400 to the ultra is from what others say is "in its own league"

I had no idea other members allowed you to hear their speakers! That's great news. I'll look into this thread you speak of and hopefully find someone nearby.

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I would start with a PSA V1800 if you order a sub from them. That way you can audition the PSA sound for 30 days free. If you feel it is enough, then keep it, if you want more send it back and get the V3600i. Both subs should sound very simar, the V3600 will have more headroom. It actually has double the output of a PB13 through most of the operating bandwidth...so a V1800 and PB13 should be fairly close overall.
Excellent idea! 👍 That way I can get a taste of what it sounds like.

Well today I'm going to start with the svs. I fully understand the other subs I will audition are going to be significantly more powerful, however having never owned a 13ultra id like to atleast be able to say that I auditioned it so I can hear it for myself. And so that I have a starting base (no pun intended) point to compare the other subs.

If you guys would like me to start a thread or if y'all have any special requests I can document my findings. Most of the "unboxing" material out there as far as threads and YouTube go are a little dated. Just my opinion
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Also for those voting "other" please specify which brand you are referring to by writing your response in here.

**just a reminder we are going to exclude all DIY subs only because it's agreed that those will always give you more bang for buck. Let's keep this brand specific***
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I cast a vote for other....that being Funk Audio or potentially Deep Sea Sound.
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Sub: Funk Audio 18: (Santos Rosewood)
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