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Scene/chapter suggestions would also be helpful.
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John Wick - Club fight scene 51min 10 seconds to ... (not sure of end time, it's maybe a minute or two)
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John Wick - Club fight scene 51min 10 seconds to ... (not sure of end time, it's maybe a minute or two)
A minute or two is perfect.
I, personally, don't like "demos" that make me feel like I've seen the whole movie.
John has come and gone; the Lone Survivor is on his way.
Eli and Deadpool are already here.
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I remember there being lots of mid bass is the opening scene in one of the Resident evil movies. The 4th one.
Tracking this one down. Afterlife?
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LastButNotLeast - I see your graphs that you posted in post#50. Can you please explain what you see in these graphs that points to having good mid-bass? I am not skilled at reading these graphs, because (except for Zootopia) I don't see any mid-bass peaks.

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Trying to learn
Me, too. That's why I posted the graphs.
That doesn't necessarily mean I understand everything.
I, too, am trying to figure out what "mid-bass peaks" would look like.
Unlike ULF (or even LF) that rattles the house, I think mid-bass is (probably) not as blatant, though its absence would be obvious.
My favorite example that I site often in the sub threads is the server scene from Pulse. Most people are thrilled that plaster is falling from their ceiling. But can you hear her ragged breathing? Her footsteps on the floor? She even steps on one of the pieces of paper.
Most people can't hear that because they prefer deep bass ringing in their ears. But they're missing important auditory clues in the movie.
Now there's a big push to build MBMs to "compensate" for the abundance of bass produced by massive and multiple subs.
I'm trying to find examples of that "mid-bass" that has been overlooked.
It's a work in progress, not something with which I am familiar (though I do know a thing or two about demo discs ).
I've spent the last few nights with HCFR, but I'll get back to REW when I get back home after this weekend.
And I (finally) realized that my library actually has some of these discs (who would have thought?!), so there's another on its way from Netflix, RedBox has one, and several will be waiting for me soon at the library.
So progress is being made. Thanks for all the suggestions. We'll figure this out together (which was the whole point in the first place).
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Yes, I think After life. It is the song during the opening credits showing the setup of the outbreak in Japan.


I just started watching Godzilla last night and the first M.U.T.O. encounter has great mid bass. The electrical pulses really hit the chest! There are different frequencies involved too. It starts right at the part where the Father sees the cocoon for the first time.

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I guess you're not talking about the 1956 version with Raymond Burr.

In my queue (enqueued?).
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I used to love watching King Kong and Godzilla movies during Thanksgiving break as a kid.

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So you ARE talking about the 1956 version.

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Don't know if it's too late but a short one that will make you jump was in MI: Ghost Protocol when the IMF van gets t-boned. (Had to change my shorts after that first viewing...)


The long fight scene in Dark Knight Rises with Bane in the underground bunker. I like this because there is no music to distract. Just the visceral pounding of fists and elbows.
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The long fight scene in Dark Knight Rises with Bane in the underground bunker. I like this because there is no music to distract. Just the visceral pounding of fists and elbows.
Oooo...one of my favs! I'd forgot about that one.
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That MI:4 scene really is dynamic!
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What about the fight scenes in Sherlock Holmes, the first one with Robert Downey jr?
I seen to recall there was a lot of chest thump in the punches.
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Really short clip at the beginning of 10 cloverfield lane when the girls car gets hit by the truck?
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Was it Inception where the train comes out of nowhere?

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@LastButNotLeast (Michael),

Are you dividing the clips into any type of categories? ex. animation, live action, music etc?
I would like to start organizing the menus if possible.

Also, if we have categories, these can be made into 8GB segments as before and have a full disc and DVD9s... but is your project.

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Was it Inception where the train comes out of nowhere?
That clip is on the first reference disc.

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Steve's? Good, then I have it to measure.
I want to spend some time with these clips and REW to see if "mid-bass" is something we can measure and agree upon.
So far, there seems to be only two categories: fighting and crashes.
As such, I think the only two categories we will need are wide-screen and full-screen.
I don't see any need to turn this into a full BD50; 30 minutes should be fine.
And, much to my very pleasant surprise, we have lots of good suggestions to work with.
I'll be able to get back to it Monday night.
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Tons of awesome mid bass all throughout Chronicles of Riddick. It might be worth going through some of it to see if you want to include a scene or two. Their are several great mid bass moments in chapter two from Toombs spacecraft.

Also lots of great mid bass moments in Harry Potter Deathly Hallows Pt1 in Chapter 4 (I think that's the chapter) leading up to and in the tunnel with the fly byes etc. I'm pretty sure a lot of it is centered around that 65-90ish hz with some nice variations and can kinda give that sharp feeling like it gonna punch/stab a whole in your chest in addition to the more 50-60 hz blunt kick to the chest feel. At least that's how I experience it on my system with the NF's right behind me. I usually always try to include a run though this chapter among a lot of the other mid bass movie clips that have been mentioned if I've made any mid bass tweaks.

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Thanks for the suggestions.
I think my real challenge here is to help determine what we consider "mid-bass." I'm definitely leaning towards somewhere in the 50Hz to 100Hz range, though, it seems, a better term might be "low-frequency."
I'll be running REW with many of these clips over the next couple of days. Hopefully, I'll be able to suggest a "formula" that fits what we've described.
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I was all set to twist superleo's arm into helping with another "Best of" disc, but I've recently gotten involved in several mid-bass discussion threads (and a nearfield Ultimax 10). Since there is already an abundance of deep bass demo material, it seems fitting to devote a demo disc to mid-bass.

I'm aiming for a BD9, about 35 minutes of material on a disc that can be burned by most DVD burners to a DVD-DL and played in most BDPs.
The first suggestion is the opening credits to Terminator: Salvation.

I am eager to get other suggestions.
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Nice topic... Mid bass is actually very impacting and you get a lot of 'listening experience' in big setups; the big cinema, IMAX, etc as those drivers are large and are always pushing hard to reach the true lows so they hit hard on the 60-120hz range...

Terminator Genisys - opening scenes, time travel scenes
Titanic (don't judge yet, go listen ;P) - hitting the iceberg & sinking scenes.
Safe House - house breach
Straight Outta Compton (to a degree...) - bass in this movie is mixed very much 50-70hz heavy
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Hard to fit the whole movie on a demo disc, but I'll definitely check out the opening scene.

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That clip is on the first reference disc.
Okay, it's on YOUR first disc. Got it.
The crash is followed by a gunfight, so it will be interesting to compare the frequencies.
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Steve's? Good, then I have it to measure.
I want to spend some time with these clips and REW to see if "mid-bass" is something we can measure and agree upon.
So far, there seems to be only two categories: fighting and crashes.
As such, I think the only two categories we will need are wide-screen and full-screen.
I don't see any need to turn this into a full BD50; 30 minutes should be fine.
And, much to my very pleasant surprise, we have lots of good suggestions to work with.
I'll be able to get back to it Monday night.
Michael
For a little bit of variety what about 'The Art of Flight' (snow boarding film)
5.10 to 11.20 Nice bass music, great quality picture as a bonus.
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For this disc, we're not looking for bass, for which there are plenty of other discs. We're trying to figure out what "mid-bass" is and how to know it's missing, which is what happens when you overload on deep bass.
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For this disc, we're not looking for bass, for which there are plenty of other discs. We're trying to figure out what "mid-bass" is and how to know it's missing, which is what happens when you overload on deep bass.
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Sorry, I should of said it has mid bass in my post.
I certainly noticed the difference when I turned the 1200d on and off behind my chair.
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That's as good an indication as any, though we're still trying to figure out if there's a relationship between Tactile Response and FR (see https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-su...st-thread.html).
Though defining mid-bass using a mid-bass module is a bit circular.
Art of Flight's on other (bass) discs already, anyway.
But I'll check the spectrum while I'm at it.
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