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My 'problem' is that the displays don't time out after turning on. I might be misunderstanding what it's supposed to do though? If the display is set to default "volume" and I set the timeout it doesn't have any effect. I was hoping it would be possible to have the displays turn on when the subs detect a signal, and then automatically turn off the display after the set amount of time.

Might just be that they will do this if they are set to off though? I will give it try when I get home.


Set the display to off, and it will do exactly as you want.


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Just got home and gave it a try, you are absolutely correct! Great

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Just got home and gave it a try, you are absolutely correct! Great


It is a bit confusing, and should be explained better in the manual.


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Just did a chat with svs. The new products coming out will not be better than the 16 ultra series.


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Just did a chat with svs. The new products coming out will not be better than the 16 ultra series.


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From what I saw before it got taken down. The new subs will be the SB4000 and PB4000 powered by a 1200 watt amp. They looked like the ultra series with the led front panel just smaller. I would venture to guess they will replace the PB12 + or the 13ultra line
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Just did a chat with svs. The new products coming out will not be better than the 16 ultra series.

I just hope the new products aren't....worse than the 16 Ultra series. At least not in terms of electronics bugs and failures.

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Just did a chat with svs. The new products coming out will not be better than the 16 ultra series.


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This makes me happy. At least I won't be tempted to upgrade

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From what I saw before it got taken down. The new subs will be the SB4000 and PB4000 powered by a 1200 watt amp. They looked like the ultra series with the led front panel just smaller. I would venture to guess they will replace the PB12 + or the 13ultra line
If it's PB and SB4000 then wouldn't that replace the 13-Ultra series? Then eventually they'd replace the 12-Plus series with an SB and PB3000.

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My 'problem' is that the displays don't time out after turning on. I might be misunderstanding what it's supposed to do though? If the display is set to default "volume" and I set the timeout it doesn't have any effect. I was hoping it would be possible to have the displays turn on when the subs detect a signal, and then automatically turn off the display after the set amount of time.

Might just be that they will do this if they are set to off though? I will give it try when I get home.

Edit: Disregard this, setting the displays to "off" and using the timeout works exactly the way I wanted it to.
Correct - Off will only illuminate under the following conditions:
  • when you are actively using the menu
  • when the subwoofer drops into Standby
  • when the subwoofer wakes up from Standby

The timeout will control how long the display stays lit after you stop actively using the menu. Usually 10 seconds is plenty, but you can adjust to keep it lit longer if you want.
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From what I saw before it got taken down. The new subs will be the SB4000 and PB4000 powered by a 1200 watt amp. They looked like the ultra series with the led front panel just smaller. I would venture to guess they will replace the PB12 + or the 13ultra line
I wonder where they are at with the dual drive Gary mentioned in AVRant 515?
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Sb-4000 FCC information - includes diagram

Translated from a German hifi forum:
SB-4000 back diagram and bad photo - essentially:


- There will be a SB 4000, PB 4000 and PC 4000
- These were data were transmitted to the FCC
on 19/10/2017 - Pictures from outside and inside are still locked until 03.12.2017
- The Power amplifier will become a "Sledge STA-1200".
- This power amp will have: line-in and line-out, a trigger input, balanced (XLR) inputs and outputs
- The power consumption is specified at 1200W
- A blurred image of the back can already be seen
- According to the "RF Report" Bluetooth will be on board (see measurements in the 2.4 Ghz band)
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A 13 ultra with the app control and front display would be an improvement - now I need to see if I can cancel my 13 ultra order (sadly there's no 'bill of rights' for Australian customers).

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SVS Unleashes 16-Ultra Series Subwoofers Featuring 8" Voice Coil Drivers

I would like some thoughts by PB16 owners on my choice of subwoofer location. I have narrowed my subwoofer choice down to a PB16 or an F18+. I’m leaning towards the SVS but I’m worried about my placement. I really don’t have any other option but to put it behind my wrap-around couch sideways along the wall. It would be in a space with about three inches on each side between it and the wall and it and the couch. The room is three-sided with an open back that opens towards the kitchen. On each side of it- effectively blocking out the space so kids can not get to it- is a large planter. So the space is enclosed by a side wall, planter, couch, and second planter. I have a sub cable run in the wall that also comes out right there.

The driver would be firing towards a planter, but it could either fire towards the front TV wall or back towards the open end of the room.

My question is this- How will my placement affect the sound, if at all? My only real concern is that it works well for movies. I want to feel amazing bass in movies and from the reviews I have read the PB16 is amazing. I heard it recently and was impressed.

The other idea I was considering was an F18+ firing directly in to the back of the couch, but I think I would prefer the SVS PB16.

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I would like some thoughts by PB16 owners on my choice of subwoofer location. I have narrowed my subwoofer choice down to a PB16 or an F18+. I’m leaning towards the SVS but I’m worried about my placement. I really don’t have any other option but to put it behind my wrap-around couch sideways along the wall. It would be in a space with about three inches on each side between it and the wall and it and the couch. The room is three-sided with an open back that opens towards the kitchen. On each side of it- effectively blocking out the space so kids can not get to it- is a large planter. So the space is enclosed by a side wall, planter, couch, and second planter. I have a sub cable run in the wall that also comes out right there.

The driver would be firing towards a planter, but it could either fire towards the front TV wall or back towards the open end of the room.

My question is this- How will my placement affect the sound, if at all? My only real concern is that it works well for movies. I want to feel amazing bass in movies and from the reviews I have read the PB16 is amazing. I heard it recently and was impressed.

The other idea I was considering was an F18+ firing directly in to the back of the couch, but I think I would prefer the SVS PB16.

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First, there would be quite a bit of difference between a sealed F18+ and a PB16. Sealed subs have some advantages of their own, including their relatively smaller cabinets. And, an additional advantage of the F18+ is the ability to add slave units less expensively than the cost of another full subwoofer. But, there would be very little comparison between the <35Hz output of a PB16 and that of a single compact sealed 18" sub. And, the ported sub would have a huge advantage in tactile response, due to the air moving through the ports which creates additional particle velocity.

So, I think that given your objectives, the PB16 will be a very good choice, especially for powerful bass in movies. As for where it will sound best, I would recommend getting it in position, playing some bass-heavy material, and rotating it in multiple directions to determine what you like the most. In theory, the more the driver and ports point toward the listening position, the more tactile response (TR) you will get. But, if the sub is fairly close to the couch, as it appears that it will be, then the specific orientation of the driver may not affect the TR very much. But, it might sound better to you in one alignment compared to the other, so I would try it with the driver pointed toward the TV, and also toward the back wall. (Nothing about firing toward a planter in either direction should affect the inherent sound of the bass frequencies.)

Let us know how things work out.

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I would like some thoughts by PB16 owners on my choice of subwoofer location. I have narrowed my subwoofer choice down to a PB16 or an F18+. I’m leaning towards the SVS but I’m worried about my placement. <snip>

Any thoughts would be appreciated.
If placement is an issue, perhaps the PC-13 (now PC-4000) should be considered? They do not dig as deep as PB-16s but still plentiful by all (ab)normal standards, and their shape is really well suited for tight spots, with upward-firing ports, etc. I have two PC-13 in a tight spot behind my sofa and it works very well.

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As you can see in my sig i had 2x SVS sb2000s and i just sold them and i cant decide if i should go with the sb16 or the pb16. What is everyones thoughts?

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As you can see in my sig i had 2x SVS sb2000s and i just sold them and i cant decide if i should go with the sb16 or the pb16. What is everyones thoughts?


What size room are you in and is on concrete or suspended floor?


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As you can see in my sig i had 2x SVS sb2000s and i just sold them and i cant decide if i should go with the sb16 or the pb16. What is everyones thoughts?
I addition to room size and floor type, you should also post what type of use. Are you primarily a movie watcher or music lover? Not much music needs the extreme power at the lowest frequencies that a PB16 Ultra is known for, and their about 4x the size of your previous subs. Even a PB4000 Ultra would be a huge difference and could be enough. I do like the SB16 Ultra though, great sub!

My space and wife acceptance factor wouldn't allow either. I might be able to get away with adding a second SB2000 or a PC2000 in the future but I'll have to come up with some "compensating" luxury goods for her to get even that.

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how about music for subwoofer SB16 or F18
compare must suitable music not Movies
we always play high volume to get too loud bass subwoofer must handle for music long time playing non stop like most 3hours or 4hours daily
we use 2.1 setup only
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how about music for subwoofer SB16 or F18
compare must suitable music not Movies
we always play high volume to get too loud bass subwoofer must handle for music long time playing non stop like most 3hours or 4hours daily
we use 2.1 setup only
Hi,

Questions like this one are extremely difficult to answer. Very few people will have compared the two subs side-by-side. And, even if someone had, his preferences might be very different from yours. I suspect that the SPL and low frequency extension of the two subs will be similar, although the Seaton sub might have a slight SPL advantage due to the 18" driver. To me, the SB16 is a better looking sub, and I like the features, such as the front-mounted digital display and controls. The SB16 would also have more opportunity for individualized user control.

The price of a single sub is similar for both the SB16 and the F18, but if you ever discover that you want to add a second sub, the F18 would be a better long-term investment. The F18 comes with a 4000 watt RMS amplifier. Additional F18 slave units (at about $1100 apiece) can be added to the first F18, as each individual unit will only be using 1300 watts of the total 4000 watts available in the first F18. So, the single F18 can drive three total subs: one master and two slaves. And, the F18's are designed to be stacked on top of each other, if desired.

I hope this comparison helps!

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Edit: I decided to add one additional thought. Larger companies, such as SVS, have an advantage in terms of immediate sub availability and rapid technical and warranty support. That is an advantage that I should have listed for the SB16.
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Hi,

Questions like this one are extremely difficult to answer. Very few people will have compared the two subs side-by-side. And, even if someone had, his preferences might be very different from yours. I suspect that the SPL and low frequency extension of the two subs will be similar, although the Seaton sub might have a slight SPL advantage due to the 18" driver. To me, the SB16 is a better looking sub, and I like the features, such as the front-mounted digital display and controls. The SB16 would also have more opportunity for individualized user control.

The price of a single sub is similar for both the SB16 and the F18, but if you ever discover that you want to add a second sub, the F18 would be a better long-term investment. The F18 comes with a 4000 watt RMS amplifier. Additional F18 slave units (at about $1100 apiece) can be added to the first F18, as each individual unit will only be using 1300 watts of the total 4000 watts available in the first F18. So, the single F18 can drive three total subs: one master and two slaves. And, the F18's are designed to be stacked on top of each other, if desired.

I hope this comparison helps!

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Edit: I decided to add one additional thought. Larger companies, such as SVS, have an advantage in terms of immediate sub availability and rapid technical and warranty support. That is an advantage that I should have listed for the SB16.
you mean F18 for Seaton Sound
but i asking about F18 for Rythmik
seen F18 Seaton Sound and F18 Rythmik

different brand
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you mean F18 for Seaton Sound
but i asking about F18 for Rythmik
seen F18 Seaton Sound and F18 Rythmik

different brand
The Rythmik F18 would be more powerful than the SB16 at every frequency, and the difference in max output would increase below 35Hz. You can compare the two subs on Data-Bass by comparing the F18 to the SB13. Just add 4db to the SB13 below 40Hz. That will let you do a frequency-by-frequency comparison. http://www.data-bass.com/systems

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I addition to room size and floor type, you should also post what type of use. Are you primarily a movie watcher or music lover? Not much music needs the extreme power at the lowest frequencies that a PB16 Ultra is known for, and their about 4x the size of your previous subs. Even a PB4000 Ultra would be a huge difference and could be enough. I do like the SB16 Ultra though, great sub!

My space and wife acceptance factor wouldn't allow either. I might be able to get away with adding a second SB2000 or a PC2000 in the future but I'll have to come up with some "compensating" luxury goods for her to get even that.
Room is about 800sqft maybe a litter bigger. Usage is pretty balanced.

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Hi,

First, there would be quite a bit of difference between a sealed F18+ and a PB16. Sealed subs have some advantages of their own, including their relatively smaller cabinets. And, an additional advantage of the F18+ is the ability to add slave units less expensively than the cost of another full subwoofer. But, there would be very little comparison between the <35Hz output of a PB16 and that of a single compact sealed 18" sub.
I am curious if you have seen any numbers on the F18+ compared to the PB16. I know the F18+ is sealed and all, but its got a stack of power behind it with that speaker power amp, even before you start tossing a few slaves into the mix. That and its not going to roll off like the PB16 will below its port tune. I suspect the F18+ is comparable to a JTR S1.

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The Rythmik F18 would be more powerful than the SB16 at every frequency, and the difference in max output would increase below 35Hz. You can compare the two subs on Data-Bass by comparing the F18 to the SB13. Just add 4db to the SB13 below 40Hz. That will let you do a frequency-by-frequency comparison. http://www.data-bass.com/systems
ohhh which i must choose SB16 or Rythmik F18 or F18+ for Seaton Sound
which subwoofer for suitable music for playing too loud bass most daily 3h or 4h or 5h depend my time
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I am curious if you have seen any numbers on the F18+ compared to the PB16. I know the F18+ is sealed and all, but its got a stack of power behind it with that speaker power amp, even before you start tossing a few slaves into the mix. That and its not going to roll off like the PB16 will below its port tune. I suspect the F18+ is comparable to a JTR S1.
Hi,

I haven't seen any CEA 2010 numbers for the Seaton sub. As noted before, I believe that Mark's F18+ will outperform the SB16, due to its 18" driver. But, I don't think that it will be quite comparable to the JTR S1. The Seaton sub will deploy 1300 watts of its amp to any individual sub, compared to a 2400 watt amp for the S1. That alone is worth about 3db. And, I believe that Jeff may push the envelope a little harder than Mark does with respect to max output. I'm not sure of that last part, but I think that they have slightly different design philosophies in that regard.

I believe, however, that a PB16 would smoke an F18+ under 40Hz and down to a little below its tuning point. You could compare the even more powerful S1 numbers, on the first page of the JTR subwoofer thread, to the numbers for the PB13 in 15Hz mode, on Data-Bass (just add 4db to the PB13, below 40Hz, and down to 16Hz).

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-su...er-thread.html

http://www.data-bass.com/systems

Sealed subs are nearly always going to have the advantage above about 40Hz, but it's rarely a fair fight to compare a powerful ported sub to nearly any sealed sub <40Hz, and down to a little under the ported sub's tuning point.

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ohhh which i must choose SB16 or Rythmik F18 or F18+ for Seaton Sound
which subwoofer for suitable music for playing too loud bass most daily 3h or 4h or 5h depend my time
Hi,

If you like the looks and features of the SB16, then get that. But, you keep mentioning "loud music". If you want very loud, and at a lower price, I would buy the Rythmik F18, because it has more max output than the SB16. And, both should sound very good.

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I ended up buying the SB16. I really wanted it for the <40 hz output. All I intend to use it for is to play the bass channel on movie soundtracks. For that I have been thrilled. It is behind the couch as planned, and my wife actually loves it- she thinks it makes movies sound way better, in her words. So it’s a win all around.

In the future, with a dedicated theater room, I can see how stacks of 18” drivers would be best. But for my open living room space, this sub is fantastic.


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I finally pulled the trigger today and upgraded my SB13 Plus to the SB16 Ultra, which I have been eyeing since it came out...then the SB4000 comes out and I was going to get that instead...long story short after speaking to a few different guys at SVS, the SB16 Ultra wins out. This way I will never be wondering if I should have gotten this instead.

Now I am going to skim through the thread to see if there is any pertinent information to know before setting it up!

I am excited to see how much of an improvement it will be...headed off for holidays so will have to wait 16 days to find out though.
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