Originally Posted by SoCalGuy-99
Steve as you are the only one on this forum to post that you have heard one
and as a AV dealer that carries some well respected brands (like Mark Levinson, Krell, GoldenEar, JLAudio, Martin Logan, Revel, etc) can you tell us more about what impressed you about the SB16? How long was your listening session, what type of music/movies did you audition, how was the room setup, did you get to hear both the SB16 and PB16?
I know that you stated earlier that the SB16 "threw a lot of articulate air" but what other qualities grabbed your attention? Did SVS share any preliminary test numbers they had on comparing the SB13 to the SB16 (extension, SPL, distortion) or did they just say that it "spanked" the SB-13 Ultra, as you posted above?
On the surface stating you were going to purchase (2) JLF212 V2's for your personal use (at a combined retail price of $13,400) but decided to purchase (2) SB16U (at a combined retail price of $4,000) is a fairly bold statement since you rep both product lines, so wonder if you could articulate more on why you're going with the SB16s?
So while we wait for data, our own Ultra 16 subs, and professional reviews, any more details you can provide on what you have experienced with the Ultra 16 subs is greatly appreciated, even if you're using audio memories from an listening session 10 months ago.
Disclaimer: I didn't have a clear and obvious reference point. Meaning it was a different room on a different day with a different movie using different speakers and a different processor than I have. So for all practical purposes, it is impossible to benchmark the SB-16U versus what I've been using which is the SB-13U. That said, the demo room was a large hotel room suite. The sub reached down DEEP and it shook my chest hairs with a lot of impact. It have some impact even in that crappy room. This was CES 2016 (10 months ago). I was under a NDA so my lips have been sealed. No offense to the SB-13Ultra (I own one) but I could not throw that
much air. Nor could it go that
deep. I've sold a lot of SB-13U's and I love them. This was different in a good way.
Re: the JL212's. I quickly resigned myself to the fact that I needed to get a whole lot more woofage than the 2, SB-13's for my 18' (wide) x26' (deep) x 14' ceiling living room. I bought a home in the PHX area at the bottom of the crash at a mere $52 a square foot (3700 square foot 2006 built home in a very nice neighborhood; yea I stole it!). Anyways, I tried 1 P
B-13U just to hear it as normally I
simply do not like ported subs. I heard some overhang and it bothered me. When I plugged the ports and re-tuned (same exact position), it certainly had more output than the S
B-13U and it went deeper and louder. I like it but having 2 of them just wouldn't look right to my eyes. I really needed 2 compact powerhouses. I never ever try and shake the walls. Only my couch @ reference levels +3 db.
Since I think the footprint of the JL212 was a whole lot nicer for MY situation (driver closer to the wall), I figured that I had to pay the piper. Then I got a dinner invite with the SVS boys and later they took me into a room and showed me their new toy. I absolutely LOVED the looks. The sculptured display really was sexy to my eye. I appreciated that they put the front controls on too. While it was bigger to the eye versus the SB-13U, it would be a perfect fit. I needed about 4 more db output and I would be fine with 2 of these.
I had a chance to chat with the engineer in charge of the project. He gave me an overview. When I looked him in the eye and asked how it compared, he was bold and confident with his answer that the 16U was the real deal.
That all said, I've been to shows and talked with designers before. A conversation with the Energy Veritas comes to mind. On paper, he blew me away with everything he did/said. But after I bought a pair to demo, my ears didn't agree with his description. So evidently that Veritas designed didn't execute on the crossover or something. I can copy and paste this story many times with other examples. So I have a saying: the specs I pay closest attention to are not XMAX, driver area, types of cabinet or what kind of amp plate they used. The specs I care about are subjective sound quality, looks, price, output, and reliability. This SVS demo was different. I heard it. I liked it a lot. SVS has a policy that if people don't like it, send it back. So they were incredible confident. Having 2 kids in college (medical school and dental school) meant I had to pay attention to the $$'s. So that's the reason I'm stoked. So I have been dreaming of this new sub for a very long time and have been patiently waiting for them to deliver the final version.
But no. I didn't ask nor did I care to know the specific specs. I simply need more than enough base to excite my room. The design wasn't finished so whatever he said would have changed. That all said, I MIGHT be forced to go with 2, PB-16's. I understand this ported design sounds better. But I really want the smaller SB-16U's to work. While rewiring for ATMOS, I'll be wiring for 4 subs in case I go that route (4 SB-16U's). I won't know that answer for awhile.
I'm not sure if that helps. But that's what I heard and why I am getting these for my system.