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NEW SVS Ultra 16 Series

Looks like SVS has officially released a new flagship line of subwoofers! (Shipping Nov. 2016)

It's great to see SVS stepping up their surface area game

SB16: https://www.svsound.com/products/sb16-ultra
PB16: https://www.svsound.com/products/pb16-ultra

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I would love for Data-Bass to get ahold of this sub. SVS is advertising a 78mm peak-to-peak and some of the highest motor force. I would love to see those numbers being tested on video

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I would love for Data-Bass to get ahold of this sub. SVS is advertising a 78mm peak-to-peak and some of the highest motor force. I would love to see those numbers being tested on video

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On SVS's site, they list 95mm peak to peak.

"Pushing the driver are four massive, dedicated toroidal ferrite magnets that unleash a staggering 95mm peak to peak excursion and the highest levels of motor force and palpable SPLs."
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Most be a hot topic needing 3 threads for discussion the 16U's....
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On SVS's site, they list 95mm peak to peak.

"Pushing the driver are four massive, dedicated toroidal ferrite magnets that unleash a staggering 95mm peak to peak excursion and the highest levels of motor force and palpable SPLs."
Not sure exactly where you see that number
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Most be a hot topic needing 3 threads for discussion the 16U's....
You should probably start one also
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Not sure exactly where you see that number
Look at the motor description under the PB16, not SB16: https://www.svsound.com/products/pb16-ultra
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Look at the motor description under the PB16, not SB16: https://www.svsound.com/products/pb16-ultra
I'm curious to why those numbers are so drastically different between the two models - nearly 20mm of potential excursion left on the table for the sealed version?

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I'm curious to why those numbers are so drastically different between the two models - nearly 20mm of potential excursion left on the table for the sealed version?
They are using the same amp in a smaller sealed box, so it is going to have less xmax.
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I'm curious to why those numbers are so drastically different between the two models - nearly 20mm of potential excursion left on the table for the sealed version?

A shot in the dark!


Maybe a seal version does not need to play has loud at lower frequency due to a smaller cabinet?
In my DIY day's, my friend did all the Engineer stuff, I was just an apprentice, and my seal subs were always smaller, than my port version, and the port version always seem to play louder (way back in the mid 90's when drivers for sub are way out of what they are now).


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A shot in the dark!


Maybe a seal version does not need to play has loud at lower frequency due to a smaller cabinet?
In my DIY day's, my friend did all the Engineer stuff, I was just an apprentice, and my seal subs were always smaller, than my port version, and the port version always seem to play louder (way back in the mid 90's when drivers for sub are way out of what they are now).


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You don't need to be into DIY to understand the differences in frequency response slopes between sealed and ported. Ported subs have more output at their respective tune. Sealed subs have more extension - in a nutshell.

But I don't have modeling software to see excursion characteristics of ported and sealed with the same amplifier as Mike explained - I thought that sealed subs experienced more excursion especially into the low teens, single digit frequencies. So assuming an appropriate HPF is used on the PB16, Mike, the PB16 will still experience more excursion (at its peak excursion point) than the SB16 would? Even at single digit frequencies?
Don't know if that at all makes sense or reads smoothly, but basically you're saying that the amp isn't able to push the driver to its excursion capibilites in a sealed enclosure, but it will in a ported one? If SVS is getting 90+mm of excursion below tune, then I can understand their numbers a lot better.

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You don't need to be into DIY to understand the differences in frequency response slopes between sealed and ported. Ported subs have more output at their respective tune. Sealed subs have more extension - in a nutshell.

I did say, a shot in the dark from previous experience with mid 90's driver available at the time


My seal design were meant to play lower, but bottom out frequently.


Technology for drivers did change a lot, I was just trying to point out, maybe to achieve a certain level, without bottoming out in the design.


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What i dont understand from the specs,seems that PB16 sealed mode goes deeper than SB16?
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What i dont understand from the specs,seems that PB16 sealed mode goes deeper than SB16?
Perhaps due to the much larger enclosure reducing air spring and some eq to take advantage of it?
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Perhaps due to the much larger enclosure reducing air spring and some eq to take advantage of it?
Maybe,but thats not the case with PB13 sealed mode and SB13
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Yesterday their website said 78mm peak to peak excursion, today it is 95 mm

Looks like a moderator needs to merge the two threads on this sub

I'm not talking about the kind of speakers you just listen to, I'm talking about the kind of sound you can feel.
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Yesterday their website said 78mm peak to peak excursion, today it is 95 mm

Looks like a moderator needs to merge the two threads on this sub

Why? Plenty of room for duplicate subject threads on AVS You're looking at different xmax for the sb vs pb....from what I gathered on the other thread
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Man I lucked out!... Just barely made the trade in deadline... Gonna swap my dual sb 13 ultras for sb 16 ultras.. Order is in and waiting for them to ship on 11/1. The specs for them are killer.. Can't wait!
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Shipping has been delayed til the 15th.
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Man I lucked out!... Just barely made the trade in deadline... Gonna swap my dual sb 13 ultras for sb 16 ultras.. Order is in and waiting for them to ship on 11/1. The specs for them are killer.. Can't wait!
I'm in exact same boat. I purchased my dual SB13's in Oct of last year, they were nice enough to extend the 12 month trade end to 13 for me.... Can't WAIT to feel the difference...hope it's worth the extra $1000!!!!
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Just got the email about SVS trade up program: 1,2 & 3 years old will give you 100%, 75% and 60% off original price. More details:

"Your current SVS subwoofer must be in like-new condition with the the original box and packaging and trade-up customers pay all freight charges associated with the return and new purchase. If you don’t have the original packaging and/or your subwoofer has some minor cosmetic issues, we can still take care of you. Just contact our support team to discuss the best options."

Not a bad deal..

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I plan on trading in my 2 sb13u for sb16 also. But I'm going to wait a little while since I'm moving soon so I'll just have them shipped to my new house. Saves me having to move them.....

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Comparison with Rythmik FV15HP

Hi all,

Anyone care to compare the SB -16 Ultra (Sealed) with the FV15HP (Ported). I am currently trying to decide between the two... Cost aside..

I currently am at 70-30 HT to Music and have a fairly large great room. I know Ported woofers can move more air, but I am thinking the 16 inchers are more than enough for my needs. Thoughts?!?!

I need to make the decision in the next day or so...

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Hi all,

Anyone care to compare the SB -16 Ultra (Sealed) with the FV15HP (Ported). I am currently trying to decide between the two... Cost aside..

I currently am at 70-30 HT to Music and have a fairly large great room. I know Ported woofers can move more air, but I am thinking the 16 inchers are more than enough for my needs. Thoughts?!?!

I need to make the decision in the next day or so...

Thanks
The FV15HP will have a noticeable output advantage under 30hz and an advantage above that. Whether the extra output above 30hz is noticeable will depend on how loud you listen since this is the max output I'm talking about.

Under 30hz you won't need to be running at "reference" levels to notice the extra output of the Rythmik.

If you were in a smallish sealed room the sealed sub might be able to make some of the difference but since you are in a large open room you won't get much if any room gain.

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