Originally Posted by Drew1204
(originally quoted some folks in the PSA thread so take that into account)
Ok so after a day of testing and tweaking and taking your guys advice here are my thoughts on the Cap 1400 vs V1801:
I am pushing the 1801 at +8 hot on the receiver after the denon tuned it to -5.5.
Is this +8 hot overall? Or is it more like 13.5 hot?
I really like the sound of the 1801. The 1801 is louder. It also doesn't shake the hell out of my windows and walls causing distracting rattles. This is why I like the 1801 better.
It is louder and fills the room better, and doesn't cause distracting rattles. I also have those inexpensive bass shakers Aura Pros that are like $40 each and they give more vibration and feeling than either subs could. I had the shakers off during testing so I could "hear" and feel the differences between the cap and 1801.
I think the 1801, with the shakers on (with the gain turned fairly low actually for the shakers) will give an amazing experience as I can feel the shakers more than the cap 1400, and the 1801 is still playing "louder."
My question is if the 3601 would be even louder with the frequencies that I enjoy on the 1801 vs the cap 1400.
If I wanted to upgrade to a 3601 vs a 1801, what would the difference be? Would the 3601 add the caps low end and then the 3601 would vibrate and rattle my walls? Or would it add more volume and be louder up top which is what I enjoy, without shaking my walls and creating rattles?
I think for now I will add a second 1801 in the near future and that should be pretty killer.
Whew! Thanks for reading, and thanks for everyones, input, advice and help!
Mark's suggestions may make a difference and I would definitely try them. I have two additional thoughts. First, yes you are boosting the sub by 13.5db. There is nothing inherently wrong in adding that much boost, but as I noted in an earlier post, you would really prefer to add that boost using the V1801 sub gain, rather than the AVR trim. Going into positive numbers with the AVR sub trim, at fairly high listening levels, can cause the sub to clip. That may or may not be distinctly audible to you, but it is an unwanted form of distortion. Keeping the trim level well in the negative range, and using the sub gain control instead, will give you the same volume increases you are after. But, it will utilize the subwoofer amp to do it, and that will reduce the possibility of clipping. There is a detailed explanation of this in the subwoofer guide, linked below.
My second observation is that a V3601 will give you more of what you like in the V1801, but it will also give you a little more of what you didn't seem to like about the Cap 1400. I think that your plan to add a second V1801 will be much better. Together the two V1801's will equal a single V3601 anyway, and you will derive additional benefits from having duals. And, you would always be able to upgrade to dual V3601's in the future, if you ever wanted to.
I didn't know how your preference would turn out, and perhaps Mark's suggestions will affect your decision, but there isn't anything at all shabby about dual V1801's, even in a large room. One of the things that we sometimes forget when we talk about large room volumes is our relative proximity to the sub(s). I believe that can be an even more important factor than overall room volume. And, if you are on a suspended wood floor (which is what your description seemed to suggest) the additional tactile energy available with a Cap 1400 really may not be necessary, in your case.