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The speaker test works, until I load up REW and the ASIO drivers, then it no longer works. Hence why I think there is something wrong with the PC drivers, but i've uninstalled and reloaded so many times, including USB drivers as well, and nothing I do fixes it.
I suggest you disable all the audio devices (temporarily) except for the HDMI output & UMIK input. Then, check the ASIO Control Panel in REW that the devices are properly selected.
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@Scott27 Also make sure any music program you might have installed like Tidal if it auto start is shut down completely. I know Tidal will cause conflicts with REW when I had it installed and it was running in the back ground.

Here is to get to the deeper setting in case you haven't tried them so you can disable other ASIO devices in REW. http://www.hometheatershack.com/foru...tml#post638012
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Congrats man! You will not be disappointed. My 1400s changed my life!!!
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Thanks Marc ... I was looking at the chart chucky7 posted and I was thinking the 1400 or 2400 as well. It looks like the numbers for one 1400 would be pretty similar to my two HSU subs >25Hz and have more output below that(if I understand how this all works)
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I would like to pick-up on this discussion a little bit. Room size is not always a primary factor in choosing subwoofer capacity, as it primarily affects where room gain starts and how much it adds to your low frequency SPL. But, when a large room size is combined with being a long way from your subs (20' in this case) then the effects of being in a large room are greatly multiplied. That is because your subs have to produce so much more SPL at the MLP than they would be if they were closer. In my opinion, that is the reason why your current subs are running out of gas a little sooner than they might otherwise. If those same subs were about 10' from your MLP, you might have enough headroom for your preferred listening volumes.

If your new subs are going to be in those same locations, then I would go as big as I could. My personal choice in the larger JTR subs would be dual Cap 2400's, because I particularly value low frequency output. Subs rarely run out of headroom in the mid-bass as we boost them. But, they certainly can run out of headroom in the low frequencies. And, that is where the Cap 2400's really shine for their size. So, I wouldn't settle for a single Cap 1400, if I were you, because from that same 20' distance, a single Cap 1400 might not offer you much improvement over your dual HSU's. But, I believe that a Cap 2400 would, and then when you add a second one, you will really be set.

As I understand it, dual subs are your long-term goal, in any case. There are some instances in which I think that it makes sense to economize, but in a large room with a 20' separation from my subs, I would not recommend that. I would start with a Cap 2400 now, and add another one when I could afford to. And, if you ever want to experiment with a nearfield sub, right behind your MLP, I think that you will be very pleasantly surprised at how much your low bass sensations will increase.

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Congrats man! You will not be disappointed. My 1400s changed my life!!!
LOL. As many audio components and subwoofers that I have gone through over 20 plus years of this audio hobby (see first link in my signature), the JTR 1400 does stand out as among the VERY top few, such as Krell FPB 600, Theta Casablanca, Conrad Johnson preamp, etc., that I cherish and maybe even change my listening habit (eg watching a lot more sh*tty movies now with good bass ). That it also costs the least, by several $$$ k's, is indeed the cherry on top.

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The speaker test works, until I load up REW and the ASIO drivers, then it no longer works. Hence why I think there is something wrong with the PC drivers, but i've uninstalled and reloaded so many times, including USB drivers as well, and nothing I do fixes it.
The speaker test uses Direct Sound drivers and has nothing to do with using hardware direct drivers such as ASIO, WASAPI, or Kernel Streaming. ASIO4ALL is a wrapper for Kernel Streaming that tricks the software into thinking one has an ASIO driver.
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I suggest you disable all the audio devices (temporarily) except for the HDMI output & UMIK input. Then, check the ASIO Control Panel in REW that the devices are properly selected.
Thanks Marc, Ill give that a go over the weekend!
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@Scott27 Also make sure any music program you might have installed like Tidal if it auto start is shut down completely. I know Tidal will cause conflicts with REW when I had it installed and it was running in the back ground.

Here is to get to the deeper setting in case you haven't tried them so you can disable other ASIO devices in REW. http://www.hometheatershack.com/foru...tml#post638012
Awesome thanks bscool, i may have had Spotify running (although I think i closed it), but will definitely check out the link.
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The speaker test uses Direct Sound drivers and has nothing to do with using hardware direct drivers such as ASIO, WASAPI, or Kernel Streaming. ASIO4ALL is a wrapper for Kernel Streaming that tricks the software into thinking one has an ASIO driver.
You're a few levels over my head But i assume you are telling me its not a driver issue?
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Woohoo... Long weekend!

Hopefully my next door pruny neighbors go out of town so that I can watch a couple of reference bass flicks. Well, since we are in a heat wave, at least she won't be calling to say "We are swimming in the backyard and we can hear your sub...It's kind of annoying... Do you mind?"

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Hopefully my next door pruny neighbors go out of town so that I can watch a couple of reference bass flicks. Well, since we are in a heat wave, at least she won't be calling to say "We are swimming in the backyard and we can hear your sub...It's kind of annoying... Do you mind?"
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^^^^That is a horrible shame. Living in SW Florida with only one story, we live with this threat and possible consequences every year. I know if we got the evacuate orders, you will see me Driving away with my Subs in the back of my Truck. I can replace everything else with better should I need to.

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Not sure how much you (y'all) have been following along, but its been quite a week, and then some.
its crazy seeing regular places that never flood, completely under water.

We had houses and streets in our neighborhood 90% underwater . Some just can't be rebuilt, and have to completely be built from the slab up. Seeing roads full of people pulling out sheetrock and insulation from their homes, just one house after another was pretty powerful.

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Those pictures are unbelievable! I can't even comprehend what it must be like to see it all in person - I hope you and your family are OK. It definitely serves as a harsh reminder to what is really important in life.

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Watched Hacksaw Ridge tonight with my new S1 (replaced a SB16). Wow, what a totally different experience. Paired now with my Dynaudio Special 40’s, running a 5.1.4 setup, this is what I always envisioned. 7.2.4 coming soon. Stunning presentation. It’s a sickness because I now want another S1 . Thanks Jeff. Glad I made the jump. No regrets. Blows the SB16 and the F113 out of the water in sub 20Hz range.


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Watched Hacksaw Ridge tonight with my new S1 (replaced a SB16). Wow, what a totally different experience. Paired now with my Dynaudio Special 40’s, running a 5.1.4 setup, this is what I always envisioned. 7.2.4 coming soon. Stunning presentation. It’s a sickness because I now want another S1 . Thanks Jeff. Glad I made the jump. No regrets. Blows the SB16 and the F113 out of the water in sub 20Hz range.
Well, the Cap S1 is capable of twice the output of a SVS SB16-Ultra. Even if you factor in the custom veneer upcharge, you basically paid $500 more and got 2 SB16-Ultras. Good job!

I am surprised that you did not go with a custom Cap 1400. It is just 9" taller than a Cap S1. Since you are with in driving distance from JTR, I would have taken both the Cap 1400 and the Cap S1 home to compare. Wait, there is also the Cap S2... Wow, it's so hard to choose...

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Oh man that is such a shame! Been worrying about all those affected by the hurricane(s). So sad.

The rescue footage Ive been seeing is tear jerking.
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I fixed pretty much all my rattles now and the Caps sounds even more pummeling. I say "pretty" much cause during some scenes the house just groans lol. They sound so tight and punchy and are the fastest reacting subs Ive ever owne, wether turned low or reference. The JBLs are playing an excellent roll along with them. They are quite the match.

My wife had her mom over tonight and I BBQed and they decided they wanted to watch a movie, Fantastic Beasts and Where To Find Them, so I left them alone to watch together. My wife is tech savy and I taught her the proper way to turn on and off the theater. I just told her, "don't blow your mom out of the water, no higher then -10 ok?" lol. She just laughed and said "ok I'll set it at -8. Here lately me and her have been watching EVERY movie at 0.0. With lots of room absorption and the right gear its amazing how perfect of volume reference level is, at least with a good to great mix. Anyway they started the movie and I sat upstairs and watched a ball game. Now Ive been in this position dozens of times before and Ive always got to hear what a movie being played sounds like from the perspective of upstairs, which is right above the theater. Let me tell you the sound of my other subs upstairs was nothing compared to the dual Caps! It was like and Earthquake simulator Lol! The bass was even pressurizing upstairs in all the rooms. It made me think at night im gunna have to really keep it down to not wake my wife who is an early sleeper. Im a night owl. Anyway...

I heard one other AVSr describe another JTR sub from their "outside" point of view as "an animal trying to claw its way out of the basement"! Bout the same way to describe this from above. There was a couple particular scenes that went extra low cause I had that feeling of being underwater even in the above room. Treble is staying nicely in the room though now, unlike how it was before I treated the room. I also hung curtains to the stairs entrance that slide open and may put some up at the entrance into the theater that is directly to the right at bottom of the stairs but not sure.

Afterwards my mother-in-law walked out in a daze and just shook her head with eyes open and mouth a gap and laughing lol. She didn't like the movie tho but said the sound and screen reminded her of IMAX . I took it as a compliment even tho the dual Caps in my room sound much tighter and more musical at same decibel levels as the ones of visited. I do like IMAX but many of them have flabby bass. Loud bass but flabby. All you JTR owners know what I mean.
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Lol, this sounds familiar. Just order the second one now, it's going to happen anyway. If you think one S-1 sounds good two well placed S-1's are ridicules.
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Just watched War Horse (2011) today. All I can say is... Wow... No wonder it is a 5-star film on data-bass.

It is like Hacksaw Ridge with horses - there are quieter moments and in the battle scenes it shines oh so bright. Therefore the dynamics is excellent. It is also a better movie than some of the other 5 star bass flicks, which are mediocre as movies but have excellent bass.

The Captivator 1400 portrayed this movie beautifully. The first battle scene with the horse charging is enveloping. The 2nd battle scene is even more satisfying. There are moments I thought, "oh s-h-i-t... my neighbor next door is gonna call to complain..."

I am glad I found another reference bass flick to showcase my home theater.

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Well, the Cap S1 is capable of twice the output of a SVS SB16-Ultra. Even if you factor in the custom veneer upcharge, you basically paid $500 more and got 2 SB16-Ultras. Good job!

I am surprised that you did not go with a custom Cap 1400. It is just 9" taller than a Cap S1. Since you are with in driving distance from JTR, I would have taken both the Cap 1400 and the Cap S1 home to compare. Wait, there is also the Cap S2... Wow, it's so hard to choose...


Couldn’t go for the size considering it’s in a family room and don’t have the width or height to accommodate anything bigger then the S1. Regardless, I have no complaints. Except for I only have one


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Just watched War Horse (2011) today. All I can say is... Wow... No wonder it is a 5-star film on data-bass.

It is like Hacksaw Ridge with horses - there are quieter moments and in the battle scenes it shines oh so bright....

Agreed - never knew there are so many different explosion sounds until War Horse. UNBELIEVABLY powerful bass of highest demo quality.
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Lol, this sounds familiar. Just order the second one now, it's going to happen anyway. If you think one S-1 sounds good two well placed S-1's are ridicules.
I still havent set up my second S1 yet, its sitting here in the office with me! With only one, my friends are making fun of me with sarcastic comments such as "yeah, you need subtitles, I can barely hear it"

Im waiting until my baffle wall goes up so my wife wont see the second one

Indebt, how would you describe the increase in performance going from one to two??
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I still havent set up my second S1 yet, its sitting here in the office with me! With only one, my friends are making fun of me with sarcastic comments such as "yeah, you need subtitles, I can barely hear it"

Im waiting until my baffle wall goes up so my wife wont see the second one

Indebt, how would you describe the increase in performance going from one to two??
As i have them stacked side by side i'm getting a full 6db's increase through likely most if not all frequency's. I never expected this much more performance based on a max of 6db's more than one S-1. I just watched The Finest Hour at only -18MV, my S-1's gain's are at only 5 indents from full cut, so about 9oclock,,,,, and AVR sub trim of -4 and the house was shaking. Placement is crucial running two as i first tried opposite ends of the room but had cancellation issues. Once stacked side by side (which is good in my set up) the performance is effortless. I'm not even using 30% of the available clean output and the house and windows are getting a workout. Once my neighbor goes back to work, i'll get back into my regular -10/-8 MV and really let er rip again.

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As i have them stacked side by side i'm getting a full 6db's increase through likely most if not all frequency's. I never expected this much more performance based on a max of 6db's more than one S-1. I just watched The Finest Hour at only -18MV, my S-1's gain's are at only 5 indents from full cut, so about 9oclock,,,,, and AVR sub trim of -4 and the house was shaking. Placement is crucial running two as i first tried opposite ends of the room but had cancellation issues. Once stacked side by side (which is good in my set up) the performance is effortless. I'm not even using 30% of the available clean output and the house and windows are getting a workout. Once my neighbor goes back to work, i'll get back into my regular -10/-8 MV and really let er rip again.
Nice!! Yeah -10/-7mv is about my limit too, beyond that and it is just too much. Once I get some room treatments it might change things. I have a large null at 85Hz I have to play around with which is priority number one at the moment!!
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Im waiting until my baffle wall goes up so my wife wont see the second one
Giving your wife the final say on the veneer option always helps, in a LR setup.

I'm already teasing her about a 2nd Cap 1400 and the first one hasn't even gotten here yet. Planting the seeds...
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However, if your subs are on opposite corners, you might not get the full benefit of 6 dB since they are too far away from each other and thus, not mutually coupled.
Mutually coupled dual subs will always increase output by exactly 6 dB at all frequencies when in phase. FR will be exactly the same, just 6 dB more output capability.

However, subs do not have to be mutually coupled to see an average 6 dB increase at the MLP. If placed and setup properly, a 6 dB average increase can still be achieved, although with a much improved frequency response. It is likely that there will be a loss on SPL in some regions where there may have been a huge peak in the response, but also a much larger than 6 dB increase in SPL where there was a null or large dip in the single subs response. Broad band pink noise will verify this average 6 dB increase, as myself and many others can attest to who have dual subs spread out and properly placed and setup.

You are correct in that subs might not gain 6 dB when not mutually coupled, but it is not a requirement.
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I am trying to decide on upgrading to JTR but I have a serious room problem. My HT is 15X21X9 with MLP 15' from front wall. Room is treated with multiple bass traps, etc.

I have a huge null at MLP of 13dB. I have tried moving sub all around room but this is as good as I can get. Despite having a total of 6 12 inch drivers I can't pressurize the room. I use a Genelec 7073a plus 2 SVS 12" subs. I tried measuring only using 1 sub in multiple positions including corners, mid position of walls, etc. Best measurement is with Genelec on left wall 1/3 way.

Despite multiple subs being the normal recommendation, I am thinking that if I get one of the larger JTR subs that measure over 120dB in free space in my MLP I could achieve near reference levels despite null. I use a Trinnov altitude so freq. response is room corrected.

How do I get my bass response rocking? Fortunately, I use Crowson transducers that provide tactile sensation but it is just not the same as I have had in other HT's of mine.
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