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dual 2400's makes the most sense for me, but why do i dream about the cap 4000's? LOL
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dual 2400's makes the most sense for me, but why do i dream about the cap 4000's? LOL
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dual 2400's makes the most sense for me, but why do i dream about the cap 4000's? LOL

I understand how you feel, but you are making dual Cap 2400's sound like a consolation prize, and they definitely are not. Dual Cap 2400's will equal or outperform a single Cap 4000 at most frequencies. And, if even Jeff, who is a little bit nuts when it comes to extreme bass, tells you that dual Cap 4000's would be too much for your room, then you might really want to take that seriously.

I have been following someone's experiences on another thread, who has been having trouble dialing-in a single S7201. We tend to think that if a subwoofer is powerful enough, it will just power through peaks and valleys in the frequency response. But, the reality is very different. Properly positioned dual subs will almost always outperform a single sub. And, having Dual Cap 4000's really would be pretty insane in your room.

With dual Cap 2400's, I believe that you will have more SPL and tactile response than you can ever use. I mean that literally. And, once you have that, having even more doesn't make any sense even to those of us who like to encourage other people to spend money.

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I get that you guys believe that dual 4000s may be too much but I always heard that you could never have too much subwoofer. A single 4000 in my 1900 ft^3 room may provide high SPL levels but FR is just as important to me. So my thinking was that dual woofers could be seen as dual subs but that may not be accurate at all. I don't know though as I'm on the fence. I currently own a HSU ULS dual drive and that was "doing me fine" in a larger non dedicated room. But after loads of research, I realised I hadn't even scratched the surface of what is out there to be experienced when it comes to bass. I think the 4000 is the peak of the bass world and I want to be on that peak.
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I get that you guys believe that dual 4000s may be too much but I always heard that you could never have too much subwoofer. A single 4000 in my 1900 ft^3 room may provide high SPL levels but FR is just as important to me. So my thinking was that dual woofers could be seen as dual subs but that may not be accurate at all. I don't know though as I'm on the fence. I currently own a HSU ULS dual drive and that was "doing me fine" in a larger non dedicated room. But after loads of research, I realised I hadn't even scratched the surface of what is out there to be experienced when it comes to bass. I think the 4000 is the peak of the bass world and I want to be on that peak.
I think you would benefit more if you go w/ dual 2400s instead of one 4000. With the 2400s you get almost 1k more watts and you will still get into the single digits. Not only do you get more headroom (low THD) and better bass dispersion, you also get a more dominant presence of bass w/ those hard hitting lfe scenes. Its hard to explain, but the bass sounds fuller and in charge w/ multiple. And i also agree, dual subs is not the same as having 2 drivers in one box.
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Also, don't underestimate the impact of room gain. The shape of my 3800cf room develops quite a bit of gain at 31hz. With lesser subs, this can be helpful as it boosts volume around where lesser subs start to drop off. With the 2400ULF and the 4000ULF, they have virtually equal volume as low as you can hear. Add this ULF flat output to the room gain and you get super strong, boomy bass at some frequencies. This means you need to either carefully pick your sub and listening position or electronically equalize out the room gain.

I had a heck of a time taming the 31hz peak when I added the 2400ULF, mostly because I only had one sub placement option I was willing to live with. I never had a problem with the dual 10" subs (collocated - so basically acts as a single sub) in that same spot, most likely due to the sub output roll off around 30 hz and down.

I believe if I was more flexible with where the 2400ULF was placed or added a second sub, the room gain would be easier to tame.

I recommend EVERYONE use the REW room simulator to see estimated frequency response of your room before getting one of these ULF monsters. REW was dead on in estimating the room gain peak of my room. This is especially true for people, like me, that have very limited or no sub placement and listening position options.
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...And i also agree, dual subs is not the same as having 2 drivers in one box.
Agree, 2 drivers in one box is not the same as dual subs. The close proximity of the drivers to each other make them act as a single driver. Same applies to 2 subs in separate boxes placed right next to each other.
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Also, don't underestimate the impact of room gain. The shape of my 3800cf room develops quite a bit of gain at 31hz. With lesser subs, this can be helpful as it boosts volume around where lesser subs start to drop off. With the 2400ULF and the 4000ULF, they have virtually equal volume as low as you can hear. Add this ULF flat output to the room gain and you get super strong, boomy bass at some frequencies. This means you need to either carefully pick your sub and listening position or electronically equalize out the room gain.

I had a heck of a time taming the 31hz peak when I added the 2400ULF, mostly because I only had one sub placement option I was willing to live with. I never had a problem with the dual 10" subs (collocated - so basically acts as a single sub) in that same spot, most likely due to the sub output roll off around 30 hz and down.

I believe if I was more flexible with where the 2400ULF was placed or added a second sub, the room gain would be easier to tame.

I recommend EVERYONE use the REW room simulator to see estimated frequency response of your room before getting one of these ULF monsters. REW was dead on in estimating the room gain peak of my room. This is especially true for people, like me, that have very limited or no sub placement and listening position options.
i'm not as concerned about that given that my 15 vented rythmik's in 1 port mode play down to the low teens before they roll off. if i can just have more volume at the frequencies they can (barely) reproduce now i'll be a very happy camper.


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dual 2400's makes the most sense for me, but why do i dream about the cap 4000's? LOL
Don't listen to these party poopers...

Make your dream come true.

After you have the 4000ULF, there is no more what-ifs. There is nothing else more extreme. Period.

Since it is the crème de la crème, you just need to add more...
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Make your dream come true.

After you have the 4000ULFs, there is no more what if. There is nothing more extreme. Period.
i'm honestly 99% sold on going with a pair of 2400's once i part ways with my rythmik's. given my room size and need for $ elsewhere (namely seating, receiver, and possible l/r speaker upgrades), i think they'll make for a solid upgrade.


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i'm not as concerned about that given that my 15 vented rythmik's in 1 port mode play down to the low teens before they roll off. if i can just have more volume at the frequencies they can (barely) reproduce now i'll be a very happy camper.
You have been warned!

I think the perfect example of what I am getting at is @chucky7 . His 1400 in his room with his sub and listening position yields flat response down to 12 hz, if I am remembering correctly. I bet simply swapping his 1400 for a 2400ULF might sound worse due to the increased volume below 20 Hz from the 2400.

That being said, if Chuck put the 2400 in a different place or new MLP might sound better than the 1400.
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I understand how you feel, but you are making dual Cap 2400's sound like a consolation prize, and they definitely are not. Dual Cap 2400's will equal or outperform a single Cap 4000 at most frequencies. And, if even Jeff, who is a little bit nuts when it comes to extreme bass, tells you that dual Cap 4000's would be too much for your room, then you might really want to take that seriously.

I have been following someone's experiences on another thread, who has been having trouble dialing-in a single S7201. We tend to think that if a subwoofer is powerful enough, it will just power through peaks and valleys in the frequency response. But, the reality is very different. Properly positioned dual subs will almost always outperform a single sub. And, having Dual Cap 4000's really would be pretty insane in your room.

With dual Cap 2400's, I believe that you will have more SPL and tactile response than you can ever use. I mean that literally. And, once you have that, having even more doesn't make any sense even to those of us who like to encourage other people to spend money.

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I can personally Vouch for what Mike is saying here. Dual 2400ULF's are better in most respects than One 4000ULF. And Dual 2400's can be too much as well. But you can always dial them back and enjoy the low power, distortion free Bass they will provide. As Mike stated, I am a perfect example of having more than I will ever use. Dual 2400's will drive me right out of the room if left off the Leash. But when dialed back they purr like two 40 Ton Dragons sitting on your Lap.
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You have been warned!

I think the perfect example of what I am getting at is @chucky7 . His 1400 in his room with his sub and listening position yields flat response down to 12 hz, if I am remembering correctly. I bet simply swapping his 1400 for a 2400ULF might sound worse due to the increased volume below 20 Hz from the 2400.

That being said, if Chuck put the 2400 in a different place or new MLP might sound better than the 1400.
It's going to be a matter of personal preference. @chucky7 is all about ULF and TR. I truly believe he will prefer the 4000 ULF over a 2400 ULF over a 1400.

I'm sure he and I would disagree regarding what sounds best in his room. Our opinions often differ, but we always respect each other's opinion (and have fun). A bit unlike these forums when you haven't met someone face-to-face. I believe I would prefer dual S1s or 118HTs in his room (I have only heard the PSA S3000i and his Cap 1400 in his room so far) but my taste differs.

Since having to send the 2400 ULF back I've learned how to move it around more easily (I bought an automobile creeper at Harbor Freight that is a perfect fit for the 2400). I may be able to take it to Chucky's and others when it comes back.
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i'm honestly 99% sold on going with a pair of 2400's once i part ways with my rythmik's. given my room size and need for $ elsewhere (namely seating, receiver, and possible l/r speaker upgrades), i think they'll make for a solid upgrade.
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i'm honestly 99% sold on going with a pair of 2400's once i part ways with my rythmik's. given my room size and need for $ elsewhere (namely seating, receiver, and possible l/r speaker upgrades), i think they'll make for a solid upgrade.
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www.4seating.com is the place you need to be checking for your seating purchase. They are absolutely fantastic to deal with.
yep, that's where i have gravitated towards. however, i'm reluctant to spend thousands on seating i've never sat down in before. i've also read some horror stories online about receiving damaged items and the headache it is to return them. however i feel like i have to roll the dice because no local furniture store sells "theater-style" seating near me.

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Check out https://www.fusioncollectionseating.com. Roman, the guy who runs that place, is a pleasure to deal with. I bought my first row from him years ago and they've held up so great that I bought my 2nd row from him a few days ago without hesitation. I believe he's able to offer in-person demos at his warehouse in New Jersey or put you in touch with other customers in your area if they're willing. I've heard good things about 4seating as well, but definitely give some consideration to the Fusion line. The AVS thread for his stuff is here: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/32-the...-roman-52.html
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yep, that's where i have gravitated towards. however, i'm reluctant to spend thousands on seating i've never sat down in before. i've also read some horror stories online about receiving damaged items and the headache it is to return them. however i feel like i have to roll the dice because no local furniture store sells "theater-style" seating near me.

did you purchase seating through them yourself?
I purchased my second set of chairs from them....the seatcraft maderas, after first buying some space-saving chairs from HTmarket that I was extremely unimpressed with, so while I can understand your concern, at least it only took me two tries to get happy

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Yes. I believe that for $2000+ per, the subs should provide ULF down to 15Hz in room and good TR. This is why many have seen me asking the sub owners to keep trying to get lower extension. I cringe whenever I see a FR dropping like a rock below high teens, especially when it is from 2 ported 18s.

Out of all the active posting members in this thread, I have probably owned a JTR sub the longest. At the time when I got the Cap 1400, it was the only ported JTR that would fit in most HTs. Then of course Jeff introduced many outstanding products that continue to push boundaries. I see the 4000 ULF as a game changer. It checks all the boxes for the best ported sub money can buy, and many, if not all, the boxes for the best sealed sub. The 4000ULF can provides the output, the extension down to 10Hz, and the port wind that I want, no, must have! So it does have a special place in my heart.

I also look at the output comparisons between the 1400, 2400ULF and the 4000ULF:



From 16~80Hz, the 2400ULF has about 30% more output, but it costs about 30% more than the 1400. Therefore, they provide the same output per dollar. The 4000ULF costs 70% more but it provides double the output of a 1400. Ding ding ding!!! We have a winner. BTW, it also does 108dB @ 10 Hz...

I really wish I could hear the S1 or the S2 in my HT that provides some cabin gain. However, I don't think I can live without the port wind though.
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Yes. I believe that for $2000+ per, the subs should provide ULF down to 15Hz in room and good TR. This is why many have seen me asking the sub owners to keep trying to get lower extension. I cringe whenever I see a FR dropping like a rock below high teens, especially when it is from 2 ported 18s.

Out of all the active posting members in this thread, I have probably owned a JTR sub the longest. At the time when I got the Cap 1400, it was the only ported JTR that would fit in most HTs. Then of course Jeff introduced many outstanding products that continue to push boundaries. I see the 4000 ULF as a game changer. It checks all the boxes for the best ported sub money can buy, and many, if not all, the boxes for the best sealed sub. The 4000ULF can provides the output, the extension down to 10Hz, and the port wind that I want, no, must have! So it does have a special place in my heart.

I also look at the output comparisons between the 1400, 2400ULF and the 4000ULF:



From 16~80Hz, the 2400 has about 30% more output, but it costs about 30% more. Therefore, they provide the same output per dollar. The 4000ULF costs 70% more but it provides double the output of a 1400. Ding ding ding!!! We have a winner. BTW, it also does 108dB @ 10 Hz...

I really wish I could hear the S1 or the S2 in my HT that provides some cabin gain. However, I don't think I can live without the port wind though.
Thats the kind of cost/benefit analysis I like. Well said

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Hey all, just wanted to check in with you guys and give a brief update. So I placed an order for an s2 and Jeff finished it early so I could have it while I had some time off work(thanks again Jeff).. I want to do a diagram of the dimensions of the room because it's a little hard to explain but I already knew I needed accoustic treatments from just having my dual sb-2000 in the room.

The journey began with a trip to the shop where we actually somehow fit the s2 in the backseat! Lol..(that was fun).. Anyway I finally got it home.. got it in the house.. turned it on and damn. The door and a closet door in this room are hollow doors which the s2 turns into rag doll play things... During the opening scene of edge of tomorrow the top of the door was just flailing back and forth...while the door remained closed at the handle.. ya. Rag doll... Again, I pretty much know what treatments I would need but the s2 highlights and amplifies the needs for those treatments 10 fold.. the waves that eminate from the dual 18s expose every weakness in my approximately 1100 cubic ft space. I'm fairly pleased with the tactile response as the transfer to my couch can be substantial since the floors are wood and suspended..I also am looking at TT's in the future.. I also still would like to make a ported audition happen in the future.

The subwoofer.. as I have come to expect from sealed offerings (not to say ported are excluded) blend very nicely with my Klipsch 160m bookshelf and 450c center.. I have two sound audio bookshelf's in the rear and newly installed klipsch 140sa on the ceiling for Atmos. Initial attempts at intergrating the sb-2000's with the s2 are very promising.. the 2k's provide a rather overt extra weightiness.

However I do not have REW yet and measurement mic to help determine the best optimal location for the subs which is another thing I have been well aware I would need but the s2 has clearly shown me the importance of it as you want this beast being used to the absolute best of it's abilities.

I think the sub in the back seat poetically speaks to the adventure of treating this small room and achieving bass Nirvana. So here's a picture of that and I will also take pictures of the room as well for my next update but I still have tools all over from the Atmos install and I also upgraded the wall outlets to 20amp as well as 20 amp breakers at the main box.

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Hey all, just wanted to check in with you guys and give a brief update. So I placed an order for an s2 and Jeff finished it early so I could have it while I had some time off work(thanks again Jeff).. I want to do a diagram of the dimensions of the room because it's a little hard to explain but I already knew I needed accoustic treatments from just having my dual sb-2000 in the room.

The journey began with a trip to the shop where we actually somehow fit the s2 in the backseat! Lol..(that was fun).. Anyway I finally got it home.. got it in the house.. turned it on and damn. The door and a closet door in this room are hollow doors which the s2 turns into rag doll play things... During the opening scene of edge of tomorrow the top of the door was just flailing back and forth...while the door remained closed at the handle.. ya. Rag doll... Again, I pretty much know what treatments I would need but the s2 highlights and amplifies the needs for those treatments 10 fold.. the waves that eminate from the dual 18s expose every weakness in my approximately 1100 cubic ft space. I'm fairly pleased with the tactile response as the transfer to my couch can be substantial since the floors are wood and suspended..I also am looking at TT's in the future.. I also still would like to make a ported audition happen in the future.

The subwoofer.. as I have come to expect from sealed offerings (not to say ported are excluded) blend very nicely with my Klipsch 160m bookshelf and 450c center.. I have two sound audio bookshelf's in the rear and newly installed klipsch 140sa on the ceiling for Atmos. Initial attempts at intergrating the sb-2000's with the s2 are very promising.. the 2k's provide a rather overt extra weightiness.

However I do not have REW yet and measurement mic to help determine the best optimal location for the subs which is another thing I have been well aware I would need but the s2 has clearly shown me the importance of it as you want this beast being used to the absolute best of it's abilities.

I think the sub in the back seat poetically speaks to the adventure of treating this small room and achieving bass Nirvana. So here's a picture of that and I will also take pictures of the room as well for my next update but I still have tools all over from the Atmos install and I also upgraded the wall outlets to 20amp as well as 20 amp breakers at the main box.

Here's to the journey gentlemen!




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Hi Joseph,

Congratulations on your new S2! I'll bet it sounds awesome.

But, looking at your first picture, I think that you may be approaching this whole thing wrong. Just think what an amazing car audio system you could have if you had left the S2 where it was.

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Hey all, just wanted to check in with you guys and give a brief update. So I placed an order for an s2 and Jeff finished it early so I could have it while I had some time off work(thanks again Jeff).. I want to do a diagram of the dimensions of the room because it's a little hard to explain but I already knew I needed accoustic treatments from just having my dual sb-2000 in the room.

The journey began with a trip to the shop where we actually somehow fit the s2 in the backseat! Lol..(that was fun).. Anyway I finally got it home.. got it in the house.. turned it on and damn. The door and a closet door in this room are hollow doors which the s2 turns into rag doll play things... During the opening scene of edge of tomorrow the top of the door was just flailing back and forth...while the door remained closed at the handle.. ya. Rag doll... Again, I pretty much know what treatments I would need but the s2 highlights and amplifies the needs for those treatments 10 fold.. the waves that eminate from the dual 18s expose every weakness in my approximately 1100 cubic ft space. I'm fairly pleased with the tactile response as the transfer to my couch can be substantial since the floors are wood and suspended..I also am looking at TT's in the future.. I also still would like to make a ported audition happen in the future.

The subwoofer.. as I have come to expect from sealed offerings (not to say ported are excluded) blend very nicely with my Klipsch 160m bookshelf and 450c center.. I have two sound audio bookshelf's in the rear and newly installed klipsch 140sa on the ceiling for Atmos. Initial attempts at intergrating the sb-2000's with the s2 are very promising.. the 2k's provide a rather overt extra weightiness.

However I do not have REW yet and measurement mic to help determine the best optimal location for the subs which is another thing I have been well aware I would need but the s2 has clearly shown me the importance of it as you want this beast being used to the absolute best of it's abilities.

I think the sub in the back seat poetically speaks to the adventure of treating this small room and achieving bass Nirvana. So here's a picture of that and I will also take pictures of the room as well for my next update but I still have tools all over from the Atmos install and I also upgraded the wall outlets to 20amp as well as 20 amp breakers at the main box.

Here's to the journey gentlemen!




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So a couple weeks ago my Cap S1 shut down in the middle of Blackhawk Down. I rewound the Irene scene and the second time around the choppers were not chopping. At first I thought my Anti-mode had gone crazy on me. I never even thought it would be the sub, but when I checked the light was off and would not power back on--it's been like that since. I purchased it in 2016 and have used it for maybe less than 20 movies. I didn't even drive it hard since I live in an apartment and I am mindful of disturbing my neighbors. Rather disappointing since I thought these things were supposed to be built to last.

Anyways, it's been 2 weeks and half a dozen polite emails to Jeff and not a single response. I started by sending him an email asking for help or advice and received no response. Then I tried replying to the previous email exchanges we had when I purchased my sub + speakers and still received no response. I even used the contact form on the JTR site and no response. So now, I'm fairly certain my emails did not go into some spam folder. I've also tried calling multiple times but no one picks up my calls.

This especially stings because this Cap S1 replaced 2 MFW's, so now my wife thinks all subwoofers are junk and a huge waste of money. Good luck to me when I try to buy another sub.

I'm going to give Jeff the benefit of the doubt and assume that he is away or just really really really busy. In any event, at this point, I'm on my own.

So...has anyone had this issue with their Cap S1? Does JTR even have a warranty policy? I can't find a thing on the site. I'm not that much of a fixit guy. It seems like the best thing for me to do is to pull out the amp and take it to a repair shop and hope for the best.
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@sobek what email address did you use? I've experienced Jeff getting behind on emails. He's been pretty busy of late. Have you tried calling 1-847-714-6878? You should hear back shortly.

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So a couple weeks ago my Cap S1 shut down in the middle of Blackhawk Down. I rewound the Irene scene and the second time around the choppers were not chopping. At first I thought my Anti-mode had gone crazy on me. I never even thought it would be the sub, but when I checked the light was off and would not power back on--it's been like that since. I purchased it in 2016 and have used it for maybe less than 20 movies. I didn't even drive it hard since I live in an apartment and I am mindful of disturbing my neighbors. Rather disappointing since I thought these things were supposed to be built to last.

Anyways, it's been 2 weeks and half a dozen polite emails to Jeff and not a single response. I started by sending him an email asking for help or advice and received no response. Then I tried replying to the previous email exchanges we had when I purchased my sub + speakers and still received no response. I even used the contact form on the JTR site and no response. So now, I'm fairly certain my emails did not go into some spam folder. I've also tried calling multiple times but no one picks up my calls.

This especially stings because this Cap S1 replaced 2 MFW's, so now my wife thinks all subwoofers are junk and a huge waste of money. Good luck to me when I try to buy another sub.

I'm going to give Jeff the benefit of the doubt and assume that he is away or just really really really busy. In any event, at this point, I'm on my own.

So...has anyone had this issue with their Cap S1? Does JTR even have a warranty policy? I can't find a thing on the site. I'm not that much of a fixit guy. It seems like the best thing for me to do is to pull out the amp and take it to a repair shop and hope for the best.
You could call SpeakerPower directly who provides the amps for JTR. Your amp has a three year warranty and they may tell you to send them your amp for repair. This is the rout i'd go if Jeff is MIA.

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The amp is warrantied for 3 years and would need to be sent to SpeakerPower for repair after some further diagnosis. I know Jeff's been busy with the black Friday sales and Thanksgiving. I'll see him next Friday and will try to help with this issue if it isn't resolved by then.

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Hey all, just wanted to check in with you guys and give a brief update. So I placed an order for an s2 and Jeff finished it early so I could have it while I had some time off work(thanks again Jeff).. I want to do a diagram of the dimensions of the room because it's a little hard to explain but I already knew I needed accoustic treatments from just having my dual sb-2000 in the room.

The journey began with a trip to the shop where we actually somehow fit the s2 in the backseat! Lol..(that was fun).. Anyway I finally got it home.. got it in the house.. turned it on and damn. The door and a closet door in this room are hollow doors which the s2 turns into rag doll play things... During the opening scene of edge of tomorrow the top of the door was just flailing back and forth...while the door remained closed at the handle.. ya. Rag doll... Again, I pretty much know what treatments I would need but the s2 highlights and amplifies the needs for those treatments 10 fold.. the waves that eminate from the dual 18s expose every weakness in my approximately 1100 cubic ft space. I'm fairly pleased with the tactile response as the transfer to my couch can be substantial since the floors are wood and suspended..I also am looking at TT's in the future.. I also still would like to make a ported audition happen in the future.

The subwoofer.. as I have come to expect from sealed offerings (not to say ported are excluded) blend very nicely with my Klipsch 160m bookshelf and 450c center.. I have two sound audio bookshelf's in the rear and newly installed klipsch 140sa on the ceiling for Atmos. Initial attempts at intergrating the sb-2000's with the s2 are very promising.. the 2k's provide a rather overt extra weightiness.
I can't believe you got that sub into a CAR!

I recommend trying the SVS sub nearfield directly behind the MLP. Should be the perfect complement to the S2 and help prevent the SVS from running out of steam trying to keep up.
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Thanks, fellas. Really appreciate the information and advice!

Marc, I have been trying 847-714-6878. However, I didn't leave voicemails because I am in Singapore and I assumed he wouldn't call me back here since he wasn't replying to my emails.

I guess I will wait a few more days and then try my luck with Speakerpower. Since I am in Asia, it is looking like I am going to be without a sub for months. At least the Noesis are not powered so I don't need to worry about them puttering out.
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