Originally Posted by cannga
Hi Mike, good point as usual, but for better or for worse
, owner sounds like the type who would promptly test the new subwoofer with Edge of Tomorrow, and for that I'm afraid the XTZ may not fit the bill.
Looking at XTZ 3x12 CEA numbers, it's actually closer to new JTR 118HT, and IMHO even though the PSA 1800 numbers are not known, XTZ is not far superior enough to be considered a decisive upward move, especially one who is going to play with ULF:
10 NA, 12.5 Hz 97 dB, 16 Hz 106 dB, 20 Hz 111.5 dB, 25 Hz 115.5 dB
Bottom line, *if* ultra low bass is what you are looking for, there is no comparison between 2400 (98.8 dB at 10 Hz) and XTZ (not available). Another interesting point, new JTR 118HT is at $1500 sale, XTZ is at $2500
Originally Posted by Marc Alexander
take a gander at the XTZ 3x12 vs JTR Cap 1400 on data-bass. The 1400 is no slouch on the scenes described by the poster.
Are you upgrading your 1400 soon?
Both good points in both posts! As Marc says, the Swedish-made 3X12 compares very favorably to the Cap 1400, and the cost difference to get something like the Cap 2400 ULF shipped to Denmark, with out of EU import duties, would be substantial.
I am certainly in favor of having subwoofers that can go low, but I think of this issue in terms of priorities. The first priority is to have a subwoofer (or subwoofers) that can play sufficient SPL for a particular listener down to about 20Hz. The V1800 is actually pretty strong above about 30Hz, so the OP probably won't want to give up too much mid-bass in pursuit of low-bass, particularly if he is just buying a single sub.
To me, the second priority is to have sufficient low-bass extension and SPL down into about the mid-teens, or a little lower, while still maintaining adequate mid-bass SPL. For this, subs such as the new Cap 118, the Cap 1400, the PB4000 and PB16, and the 3X12, may all work, although the Cap 118 and the 3X12 will work much better in the mid-bass, with roughly comparable low-bass, compared to the others. Subs like the PB4000 and the PB16, particularly are likely to need multiples in order to maintain both sufficient mid-bass and sufficient low-bass.
The third priority for me, after the first two priorities are satisfied, is to be able to get into and below the low-teens. But, even with the two different models of Cap 2400's, most people are likely to require dual subwoofers to maintain adequate mid-bass, while also having the very low frequencies that they are known for. That's why I nearly always (always, actually) recommend dual Cap 2400's.
I don't think that most of us can afford to just look at the low-frequencies, in isolation, and judge our subwoofer requirements based on that. I honestly do believe that we have to start with satisfying the first priority, and then seeing how far under that first priority we can afford to go. For most of us that will probably require at least dual subwoofers, until we get to the Cap 4000, and even then, duals would be better.
In the OP's case, I believe that either a single JTR Cap 118HT, or a single XTZ 3X12, would be a better choice than either single model of Cap 2400. And, if he can find a local dealer, which is probable, the XTZ comes with a free 60-day trial period, and local customer support. I enjoy recommending JTR subwoofers, when they seem appropriate for the individual, and I particularly enjoy recommending the low-frequency models. But in this case, if I were the OP, I think that I would have to take a hard look at the 3X12.