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Congratulations!

Damn! Those babies are stunning!

When I first read that you have them custom painted in orange, I was scratching my head. Now I see that you are trying to match the Mount Vernon Cherry veneer of your Polk fronts.

Just curious... Why didn't you go for wood veneer of Mount Vernon Cherry? AFAIK, wood veneer is much cheaper than the high gloss finish and would save your some $$$ for a pair.
I think it looks even cooler with the piano finish. That room sparkles. Better Homes & Gardens quality.
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Congrats man! That is awesome color and finish..Jeff did a fantastic job and you did a fantastic selection....NOW TAKE THOSE GRILLS OFF!
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Just saw this...

JTR 2018 Holiday Sale!

Free shipping for the month of November!

(Contiguous USA only. No other discounts apply)
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That 4000ULF looks really enticing now!
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That 4000ULF looks really enticing now!
I was wondering when you would get a second one....
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I think it looks even cooler with the piano finish. That room sparkles. Better Homes & Gardens quality.
It does look even coolor!

Forget about Better Homes & Garden! Aim higher than that...
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Just saw this...

JTR 2018 Holiday Sale!

Free shipping for the month of November!

(Contiguous USA only. No other discounts apply)
I went to their site and didnt see anything about it. Do you have a link?

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I went to their site and didnt see anything about it. Do you have a link?

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Ohhhh that explains it. I'm not on there.

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You can always send Jeff a note to get the absolute figure for the sub you are considering


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And yes it is noted on the FB page. Exact language as what Chucky posted.


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I went to their site and didn't see anything about it. Do you have a link?
I don't have a link. FYI, JTR never posts any sale/clearance on its site.

I have this...

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I have this...

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Congratulations!

Damn! Those babies are stunning!

When I first read that you have them custom painted in orange, I was scratching my head. Now I see that you are trying to match the Mount Vernon Cherry veneer of your Polk fronts.

Just curious... Why didn't you go for wood veneer of Mount Vernon Cherry? AFAIK, wood veneer is much cheaper than the high gloss finish and would save your some $$$ for a pair.

Thanks! I love the looks too. I just seem to like high gloss painted finishes. A lot of the furniture in the room is also high gloss, including the front face of the towers (black gloss). Moreover, you will notice that the edges of the towers are gently rounded off that I like a lot. If I went with the wood veneer, then the edges of the sub would have been absolutely straight without any rounding. I know I could have saved about $400, but did not wanted to have a buyers remorse as far as looks are concerned. Just a personal preference - I know the wood looks very nice too and many would prefer the wood look over high gloss.


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Your setup deserves an award. That is absolutely stunning.
Thank you sir! The sub looks bigger than I realized - Need to place something on top of those subs to help them blend in a bit more into the room (they will be "pretend" tables)

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Congrats man! That is awesome color and finish..Jeff did a fantastic job and you did a fantastic selection....NOW TAKE THOSE GRILLS OFF!

Thanks Ray! I took those grills off, but the size of those 18" drivers are seriously intimidating . No seriously!!
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Thanks! I love the looks too. I just seem to like high gloss painted finishes. A lot of the furniture in the room is also high gloss, including the front face of the towers (black gloss). Moreover, you will notice that the edges of the towers are gently rounded off that I like a lot. If I went with the wood veneer, then the edges of the sub would have been absolutely straight without any rounding. I know I could have saved about $400, but did not wanted to have a buyers remorse as far as looks are concerned. Just a personal preference - I know the wood looks very nice too and many would prefer the wood look over high gloss.
You're welcome!

You are correct. I had not considered that you could only choose between veneer or rounded edges. You also wanted to match the high gloss finish in the room. No wonder!
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Thanks! I love the looks too. I just seem to like high gloss painted finishes. A lot of the furniture in the room is also high gloss, including the front face of the towers (black gloss). Moreover, you will notice that the edges of the towers are gently rounded off that I like a lot. If I went with the wood veneer, then the edges of the sub would have been absolutely straight without any rounding. I know I could have saved about $400, but did not wanted to have a buyers remorse as far as looks are concerned. Just a personal preference - I know the wood looks very nice too and many would prefer the wood look over high gloss.



Thank you sir! The sub looks bigger than I realized - Need to place something on top of those subs to help them blend in a bit more into the room (they will be "pretend" tables)




Thanks Ray! I took those grills off, but the size of those 18" drivers are seriously intimidating . No seriously!!


Yes indeed. Those are mean looking drivers for sure.


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Got a package from Jeff today. Finish looks great - matches the speakers quite well.



Beautiful room and system.
Uh and the subwoofer too! Stunning finish that (IMHO) vastly improves the look of the JTR.

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Goodness - another gorgeous paint finish. And I mean sincerely - GORGEOUS.

Just wow - with subwoofer this good looking, who cares about the sound. Kidding aside, I really hope more people go for the paint finish. It instantly transforms, and IMHO modernizes, the look of the speaker, the system, and the room.
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I can't stop looking at @tojo_m picture LOL (how about a few more?). STUNNINGLY beautiful!
For people considering JTR - please spend some extra money and get the paint finish :-). Subwoofers literally last forever and the paint finish doesn't get old. I still look at mine.

I hope @Jeff Permanian put some of these worthy pictures in a gallery on his website. It's so rare that a subwoofer company offers this finish; lots of work involved so only possible with a small company like JTR.


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Considerable saving - looks like around 10% ($150-$400) for someone in California.

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Considerable saving - looks like around 10% ($150-$400) for someone in California.
Yes indeed.

It also looks like the saving is more significant for single item orders. This is because the shipping is usually capped at $400, and no other discount applies.

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I can't stop looking at @tojo_m picture LOL (how about a few more?). STUNNINGLY beautiful!
For people considering JTR - please spend some extra money and get the paint finish :-). Subwoofers literally last forever and the paint finish doesn't get old. I still look at mine.

I hope @Jeff Permanian put some of these worthy pictures in a gallery on his website. It's so rare that a subwoofer company offers this finish; lots of work involved so only possible with a small company like JTR.



You do realize that it was your Porsche red subwoofer that was the motivation behind my subs I remember when I had first seen a picture of those (I think Chucky had reposted them in this thread), it was like love at first sight!! I knew I had to get a JTR for that finish if not for the sound!



I plan to take a few more pics but currently my subs are out of service in a separate isolated room where I'm touching up the inside of the ports with the same paint. For some reason the inside of the ports were not finished and the raw wood was seen which was catching the eye (not in a very pleasing way). I just went about 4" deep into the ports and carefully painted them up with a thin coat of the same paint that I picked up this weekend. Since the wood inside the port is rough (not smooth), the end result is not perfect but still better than raw wood look. This is one area where I believe Jeff could further improve this finish to make it 100% perfect.



The smell from these automotive paints is ghastly so I plan to let these subs stay in the closed room with windows open for a few days while the paint cures a bit.
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I’m going to take advantage of the jtr no shipping cost this November and get another 2400 but I always out of curiosity thought how do two psa 1811 compare to two 2400 not that I’m even considering 1811 I just don’t see any comparisons anywhere and who’d like to know what I will have compare to a setup that is half the cost I know the jtr goes a lot lower extenstion and output is greater so far I really love my 2400 and am getting another one I know most will say that they do not compare but this is my only quality subwoofer I ever owned other than a typical $100 dollar subwoofer I had in the past so I have no idea what the other lower priced quality subwoofers sound like and was just curious to know.
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I’m going to take advantage of the jtr no shipping cost this November and get another 2400 but I always out of curiosity thought how do two psa 1811 compare to two 2400 not that I’m even considering 1811 I just don’t see any comparisons anywhere and who’d like to know what I will have compare to a setup that is half the cost I know the jtr goes a lot lower extenstion and output is greater so far I really love my 2400 and am getting another one I know most will say that they do not compare but this is my only quality subwoofer I ever owned other than a typical $100 dollar subwoofer I had in the past so I have no idea what the other lower priced quality subwoofers sound like and was just curious to know.
Man, you are really lucky I tell ya.

Not many here have the opportunity to score JTR subs at 2 separate promos so closely to each other. I believe this is the first time that Jeff has offered Thanksgiving promo. When JTR offered promo, it has been new product launch, or clearance of certain models, which means limited to certain models only.

Anyhow. The PSA V1811 is a fine subwoofer for its size. It is geared towards living room friendly, or high WAF. That's why it has a 18" driver in the smallest cabinet possible. This means it has high port tune. In order to have a low port tune, a larger cabinet with long port is usually required. These two requirements will combine to make the cabinet even larger.

Hoffman’s Iron Laws of Speaker Building
1) Bass Extension
2) Efficiency
3) Small Enclosure

You can only have 2 of the 3.

The PSA V1811 has 2) great efficiency up top (it plays loud) and 3) Small enclosure. Therefore, it's extension is not as good as the other larger 18" subs tuned to 15~18Hz.

If you compared the V1811 with other 17Hz tuned 18" subs, you will find that the 17Hz tuned subs dig deeper. This means bass heavy scenes will sound more weighted. In my HT, bass > 20Hz rattles the drywall and windows. The ULF (below 20Hz) rumbles the ground. You can also try playing some ULF scenes with your Cap 2400's LF Adjust at different settings. By turning LF Adjust to minimum, the 2400 basically behaves like a higher tuned sub such as the V1811. Then turn the LF Adjust to the maximum, you will get 8dB more output @ 10Hz. Try it and see if you notice the difference.

Since bass below 20Hz will shake the ground more, the Cap 2400 also provides more TR than the V1811.

Another benefit of the lower tuned sub is related to the hot bass content we like to call chuffing-inducing scenes. Most of these scenes are centered around 17~20Hz. Chuff is excessive port noise causes by air coming out of the port. At port tuning frequency, the port is doing all the heavy lifting (producing the output). Therefore, if you play a hot 20Hz bass clip with a subwoofer tuned to 20Hz, most, if not all, of the output is produced by the port. At higher volume, it may sound bad. When you play the same bass clip with your 2400, the driver is still doing almost all of the heavy lifting since it is tuned to 10Hz. This means the same scene will sound better. This is a big deal and the reason many audiophile prefer sealed subs.

The PSA V1801 has 20~80Hz covered and the 2400 has 10~80Hz covered. With end game subs like the latter, you will never have to upgrade to other ported subs with a lower extension.

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Interesting so lowering the lf adjust will allow me to have an idea of how a 1811 could sound?
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With end game subs like the latter, you will never have to upgrade to other ported subs with a lower extension.
What if Jeff comes out with a even lower tune sub with 5hz extension?

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