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Coming from those speakers I had heard at your place, be ready to be shocked with the clean/loud/dynamic of the compression horn tweeters in those Neosis
Do you still set these speakers as small as they have woofers in them?
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^^ Always set speakers to small regardless of how large the woofers are in speaker.
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How do JTR speakers sound for music? How would they do against high end speaker companies? I have always associated JTR with movie theater type speakers, but what about in a high end audio setup?



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The HTR line has the “reference” two-way compression drivers and sound completely amazing. I listen to music on my 228HTRs (with subs) critically at low to moderate volumes daily for hours. I’ve gone from 70/30 to 30/70 HT/music since I picked them up a couple years ago. I would pretty much put them up against anything that I’ve heard out there. They are very efficient and seem to have endless volume without the breakup at higher volumes that other speakers experience. The only drawback is that they’re not as pretty as other audiophile speakers and need subs to play full range unless one goes with one of the RT models. I bought them to listen to and not so much to look at. I am one happy camper and believe that @chucky7 is going to have a lot to say once he’s got them installed. I look forward to hearing his impressions.
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How do JTR speakers sound for music? How would they do against high end speaker companies? I have always associated JTR with movie theater type speakers, but what about in a high end audio setup?

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I texted Jeff earlier this month about getting another 4000ULF. I have never discussed JTR speakers with him, therefore, there is no reason for him to market them to me. Jeff said: "I'd put the Noesis 215RT against +$100,000 speakers. They just need a fancy $1000 finish and a $10,000/pair price tag."

In speaker manufacture, material cost usually accounts for < 30% of the price. Therefore, the $600 compression driver alone means that the 228HT should be priced at north of $1800.

I am sure you have seen the following driver used in many hi-end speakers:


This XT25TG driver is $ 27 on parts express. Yet, many speakers with this driver are able to command high prices.

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I wonder how they would stack up against my ML 13a's? Nothing really sounds like an ESL speaker though. They are also insanely good looking, not sure the Ms. would be happy with the classic speaker look. I would love to test a pair, do they offer in home auditions?

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I wonder how they would stack up against my ML 13a's? Nothing really sounds like an ESL speaker though. They are also insanely good looking, not sure the Ms. would be happy with the classic speaker look. I would love to test a pair, do they offer in home auditions?

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I wonder how they would stack up against my ML 13a's? Nothing really sounds like an ESL speaker though. They are also insanely good looking, not sure the Ms. would be happy with the classic speaker look. I would love to test a pair, do they offer in home auditions?

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JTR, like other ID companies, offers 30 days in home trial. The buyer is of course responsible for the freight.
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I texted Jeff earlier this month after I learned about the JTR sale. At that time I was considering getting another 4000ULF, not his speakers. He said: I'd put the Noesis 215RT against +$100,000 speakers. They just need a fancy $1000 finish and a $10,000 /pair price tag.

In speaker manufacture, material cost usually accounts for < 30% of the price. Therefore, the $600 compression driver along means that the 228HT should be priced at north of $1800.

I am sure you have seen the following driver used in many hi-end speakers:


That XT25TG driver is $ 27 on parts express.
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I texted Jeff earlier this month after I learned about the JTR sale. At that time I was considering getting another 4000ULF, not his speakers. He said: I'd put the Noesis 215RT against +$100,000 speakers. They just need a fancy $1000 finish and a $10,000 /pair price tag.

In speaker manufacture, material cost usually accounts for < 30% of the price. Therefore, the $600 compression driver along means that the 228HT should be priced at north of $1800.

I am sure you have seen the following driver used in many hi-end speakers:


That XT25TG driver is $ 27 on parts express.

Many years ago, when I did DIY. I wanted to use Dynaudio drivers (available back then, to the public). But since been on Military budget and could not afford them. I went with Vifa. And also amazing how many High End Speaker Manufacturer use them, back then. Would not surprise me, that many still use their drivers.

It was a very good decision on my part for, while been much cheaper, they also sounded extremely good. And a few months later, Dynaudio was no longer available for the public to buy drivers. And when it was time to do a few more DIY, to go from 5.1 to 7.1, my older Vifa model were still available.


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JTR, like other ID companies, offers 30 days in home trial. The buyer is of course responsible for the freight.

While I was not aware of the offers, for 30 days in home trial. I'll bet you a nickel, Canadian term for $0.05. So about $0.035 for you in the US That not many do return any of the JTR products


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While I was not aware of the offers, for 30 days in home trial. I'll bet you a nickel, Canadian term for $0.05. So about $0.035 for you in the US That not many do return any of the JTR products

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^^ Always set speakers to small regardless of how large the woofers are in speaker.

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In most case yes. As I did with my aperion Verus grand towers, set to small at 80Hz. Since any crossover is not a brick wall. Let the speakers do what they do best, and let the sub do also what they do best.

That said, there are very few exception, and mean very few. Like the NOESIS 215RT. Frequency +/- 3db, 18hz-24khz
http://jtrspeakers.com/noesis-215rt.html

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LOL, too rich for my blood
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Maybe I will joint you soon, due the way Canada is going lately.


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That Vifa tweet sounds amazing, I use it in arrays to get 100 dB sensitive and all the dynamics of a horn!
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How do JTR speakers sound for music? How would they do against high end speaker companies? I have always associated JTR with movie theater type speakers, but what about in a high end audio setup?

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Are you talking about speakers or subs? For speakers, the edge still goes to the JTR designs with the 2-way compression driver found in the 215/212/210RT/RM series, and the HTR series. Regardless though, you won't find many options out there that are more accurate across the board, but you have to know what you are getting into. The qualities found in a horn-loaded CD type design are completely different from a standard woofer/tweeter combo. The directivity and efficiency of a JTR speaker is razor sharp and detailed, without a ton of room interaction, whereas a standard "Hifi" speaker takes a lot more action from the room/boundaries.

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Many years ago, when I did DIY. I wanted to use Dynaudio drivers (available back then, to the public). But since been on Military budget and could not afford them. I went with Vifa. And also amazing how many High End Speaker Manufacturer use them, back then. Would not surprise me, that many still use their drivers.

It was a very good decision on my part for, while been much cheaper, they also sounded extremely good. And a few months later, Dynaudio was no longer available for the public to buy drivers. And when it was time to do a few more DIY, to go from 5.1 to 7.1, my older Vifa model were still available.


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You can find scanspeak drivers on many ultra high-end speakers as well. Not the cheapest price tag on those, but still miles below some designs you see them in for 6 digits.
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Oh my... It's so quiet here lately that I can hear crickets...

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Sounds like you need to turn up the C4k then...

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Oh my... It's so quiet here lately that I can hear crickets...
Of all the Subwoofers threads I frequent I have to say that JTR's are the most mysterious. They don't have many pictures and hardly any videos of them in action on youtube. We need to get some customer supported production going! I would love to test one some day, I just don't think that the ported subs would work in my room.


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Of all the Subwoofers threads I frequent I have to say that JTR's are the most mysterious. They don't have many pictures and hardly any videos of them in action on youtube. We need to get some customer supported production going! I would love to test one some day, I just don't think that the ported subs would work in my room.


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Generally speaking the owners and purveyors of JTR subs are more educated than the folks you see showing pics of the subs pumping 20hz tones on youtube. As far as the lack of pics, everyone is just too busy enjoying their setups to stop and take pictures.
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Of all the Subwoofers threads I frequent I have to say that JTR's are the most mysterious. They don't have many pictures and hardly any videos of them in action on youtube. We need to get some customer supported production going! I would love to test one some day, I just don't think that the ported subs would work in my room.


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Generally speaking the owners and purveyors of JTR subs are more educated than the folks you see showing pics of the subs pumping 20hz tones on youtube. As far as the lack of pics, everyone is just too busy enjoying their setups to stop and take pictures.
That may be your opinion but those videos definitely help get the subs names out there and absolutely help with sales. Look how many SVS videos and channels there are out there now. I don't even have to look it up to know that they probably sell more subs than almost all other ID companies combined. It's nice to see how speakers look, move and sound (not accurate through youtube, but still fun) before making a purchase.

People like youthman have really started a lot of people down their paths to loving subwoofers and sound.

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SVS has been around much longer and became more mainstream with having their subs at stores to go along with their marketing, I would not credit youtube for it.
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That Vifa tweet sounds amazing, I use it in arrays to get 100 dB sensitive and all the dynamics of a horn!
and the array gives you comb filtering and lobing.

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Yeah I know, but it has to be audible to matter. I don’t use the faceplate to minimize center to center spacing. Many people prefer arrays over traditional speakers.

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Of all the Subwoofers threads I frequent I have to say that JTR's are the most mysterious. They don't have many pictures and hardly any videos of them in action on youtube. We need to get some customer supported production going! I would love to test one some day, I just don't think that the ported subs would work in my room.

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Yeah I know, but it has to be audible to matter. I don’t use the faceplate to minimize center to center spacing. Many people prefer arrays over traditional speakers.
It's very audible. One of many myths in audio is that people only hear 1/3 octave and there for all speaker manufactures only post 1/3 octave smoothed graphs. It's an easy one to debunk though. All someone has do is play random test tones and listen. Guess what? We can hear 1000hz, 1001hz, 1002hz, 1003hz, etc, etc, etc.

https://www.prosoundweb.com/topics/p...s_and_nulls/2/

"3. Conclude that humans aren’t all that sensitive to narrow notches in the spectrum, so the comb filters are just something that we can live with.

This is rationalizing the problem and is simply not true. It’s usually the explanation provided by someone who is responsible for the problem in the first place!"
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I understand the science and don’t disagree, people like what they like. Best speakers I have ever heard were line arrays. But that is just me. Why this hobby is subjective with many options.

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Generally speaking the owners and purveyors of JTR subs are more educated than the folks you see showing pics of the subs pumping 20hz tones on youtube. As far as the lack of pics, everyone is just too busy enjoying their setups to stop and take pictures.


That’s a bull**** and pompous response


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