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3 Cap 4000ULFs vs 3 FV25HPs:







@ 10 Hz, 3 Cap 4000ULFs are equivalent to almost 12 FV25HPs.

12Hz ~ 50HZ, 3 Cap 4000ULFs are equivalent to 6 FV25HPs.

> 63Hz, 3 Cap 4000ULFs are equivalent to 4.5 FV25HPs.



The LP version allows you to place them along the wall, without taking up valuable floor space. This means you can have at least 3 of them along the back wall and still have a second row of seating. You can also place 2 of them along the front side walls and 1 at the rear center. You can also place the LP version right behind your seats to get the ultimate TR.



Before I ordered JTR Neosis 212HTs, I was strongly considering getting another 4000ULF. Since this one will be at the rear of my HT, I was also looking at the LP version.



By the way, just in case you are not aware, for a $500 fee, Jeff can customize the shape of the 4000ULF. For example, in order to maintain the same performance, he can make the regular 4000ULF 72" tall x 22.5" deep, 65" tall x 25" deep, 60" tall x 27" deep, or 55" tall x 29.5" deep.


I had NO IDEA this was an option. O. M. G.

We can customize the fit of the 4000ULF?
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I had NO IDEA this was an option. O. M. G.

We can customize the fit of the 4000ULF?
Yes, indeed...

For the same $500 fee, don't just ask Jeff to change the dimension of existing products by a couple inches... Ask him to design something bigger and bolder that suits you!

For example, why get this...



When you can have this...




Speakers: L/C/R: JTR Noesis 212HT. Surrounds: Jamo C103, KEF Q100, Polk Audio RTiA3.
Subwoofer: JTR Captivator 4000ULF.
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Yes, indeed...

For the same $500 fee, don't just ask Jeff to change the dimension of existing products by a couple inches... Ask him to design something bigger and bolder that suits you!

For example, why get this...



When you can have this...



all these years later and i still remember the original total recall movie for one reason...
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Yes, indeed...



For the same $500 fee, don't just ask Jeff to change the dimension of existing products by a couple inches... Ask him to design something bigger and bolder that suits you!



For example, why get this...







When you can have this...









I’ve got two 2400ULFs (the older dual port design) right now. I got them due to placement issues and having more options with them than the 4000ULFs. The way my room is setup now there is only a single option for sub placement. Might as well put the biggest baddest thing I can find/fit there.

I can actually fit two of the 60x27 design you described.
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So I was sitting in my cubicle waiting for the work day to end because in the warehouse there is a pallet with my name on it...



I thought I was coming down with something...

At lunch break, I mustered up all the strength I have left (I was still trying to fake illness...) and removed 2 layers of shrink wrap... Jeff did an excellent job on packaging. These foam/insulation boards cradle the goodies. Jeff should give the my employer's warehouse workers a lecture on the proper way to wrap a pallet.



The Cap 1400 shipping box I ordered from Jeff sits atop the JTR Neosis 212HT speakers and custom stands.

This was after I ripped away the foam boards... What the heck are those shiny things that stick out?



They are speaker terminals... the size of a soda can...



I had read on data-bass that the terminals are over-sized. I just didn't know how gigantic they are.

The JTR Neosis 212HT:



One of the 12" woofers - Yes, the same size as the woofer on SVS PB-2000...



The wooden horn with the 1.4" exit compression driver (B&C DE990TN)



At the tip of the horn, there is a thin mesh that looks like a white dot sticker in this picture.
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Why does the Captivator S2 graph higher values than the 4000ULF in tests other than CEA Max Burst? Does this mean the S2 will give me more during lower listening volumes? I don't really know what I'm talking about or what the graphs are fully telling me but trying to figure out what sub gives me the air movement and chest thump feeling at medium listening levels in a 3000 cubic foot theater.
Yea look at the max long term output chart to give you the best idea of how the subs from an output standpoint will compare.

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The box on top is the Cap 1400 box I ordered from Jeff.
wait, you bought a 2nd cap 1400? aren't you selling one too or are you going to keep it and run two?


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wait, you bought a 2nd cap 1400? aren't you selling one too or are you going to keep it and run two?
I think its an empty shipping box so he can sell/ship his 1400.

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I think its an empty shipping box so he can sell/ship his 1400.

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oh, derp. read it too quickly, was really confused.


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@chucky7 will these new xmas presents get you over 140db now?

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wait, you bought a 2nd cap 1400? aren't you selling one too or are you going to keep it and run two?
Because I got the Cap 1400 at a groupbuy shipped on a pallet, the original shipping box was just slightly larger than the sub itself. That box does not allow any packaging foam inside and is therefore, not fit for shipping. Since I am now selling the Cap 1400, I asked Jeff to include a brand new Cap 1400 shipping box in the order. Otherwise, it would have been cost prohibitive for me to have Jeff ship me the new box alone.
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So I am sitting in my cubicle waiting for the work day to end because in the warehouse there is a pallet with my name on it...



I think I am coming down with something...

At lunch break, I mustered up all the strength I have left (I am still trying to fake illness...) and removed 2 layers of shrink wrap...



The box on top is the Cap 1400 box I ordered from Jeff. The bottom are the JTR Neosis 212HT speakers and custom stands.

This is after I ripped away the foam boards... What the heck are those shiny things that stick out?



They are speaker terminals... the size of a soda can...



I had read on data-bass that the terminals are over-sized. I just didn't know how over-sized they are.

The JTR Neosis 212HT:



One of the 12" woofers - Yes, the same size as the woofer on SVS PB-2000...



The wooden horn with the 1.4" exit compression driver (B&C DE990TN)



At the tip of the horn, there is a thin mesh that looks like a white dot sticker.
oh man ...I'm so excited for you!!!! You must be champing at the bit to get'em hooked up and let loose!
Can't wait to hear your impressions
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@serith ,

Don't forget, for a $500 fee, Jeff can also do a Captivator 6000ULF, which has 2 21" drivers, 6000W amp, 10Hz tuned (maybe lower) in a 60" H x 40"W x 25"D cabinet, for $4,599...

2 of these Cap 6000ULFs + $500 design fee will be $800 less than 3 Cap 4000ULFs...


When are these available and who's going to buy one? What I really mean is......someone needs to buy one of these today!

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if I was @serith I would tell the doctor Jeff what I needed and let the Doctor provide the results...fastest way to endgame imo

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oh man ...I'm so excited for you!!!! You must be champing at the bit to get'em hooked up and let loose!
Can't wait to hear your impressions
YES.......get those home, hooked up and post impressions ASAP!!

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When are these available and who's going to buy one? What I really mean is......someone needs to buy one of these today!



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I’d seriously consider it if I had a buyer for both my 2400ULFs and it wasn’t 40 inches wide. Lol.
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I’d seriously consider it if I had a buyer for both my 2400ULFs and it wasn’t 40 inches wide. Lol.
if you're even remotely serious you should throw up a classified listing here on the forum. i sold both a pair of rythmik fv15's & a trio of fv25's primarily because this site seems to attract all of us crazies that are obsessed with the hobby and many of us are always looking for a good deal on equipment.

my only reservation with buying a "cap6000ulf" is that no one else has and i don't really want to be a beta-tester. the cap4000 is proven and i think that makes more sense (to me).


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if you're even remotely serious you should throw up a classified listing here on the forum. i sold both a pair of rythmik fv15's & a trio of fv25's primarily because this site seems to attract all of us crazies that are obsessed with the hobby and many of us are always looking for a good deal on equipment.



my only reservation with buying a "cap6000ulf" is that no one else has and i don't really want to be a beta-tester. the cap4000 is proven and i think that makes more sense (to me).


I can’t get a 6000 to fit in a pair of spaces. Well...it would fit in ONE space...the other would be blank. I’m guess you don’t need a second sub with a 6000.
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guess you don’t need a second sub with a 6000.
blasphemy!


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dont think serith ever showed him breaking anything with old sub power so he has quite a ways to go

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dont think serith ever showed him breaking anything with old sub power so he has quite a ways to go
i lost count of how many light fixtures i either rattled the bulbs out of or broke bulb filaments in (both upstairs & downstairs in the room). lost a couple of dinner plates upstairs that i left on my desk that's directly over the media room that vibrated off and smashed onto my porcelain tile floor. i even put the desk on thick foam pads to try and absorb the bass but it didn't do much to stop that. oh, also broke a large vanity mirror in the laundry room. nothing crazy by any stretch but i guess it's par for the course. my biggest fear is that going with the JTR's i might actually break parts of the tiled floor upstairs that's over the downstairs media room (when i laid the floor upstairs that's continuous throughout the house i have 3/4" t&g plywood over the sub-floor with 1/4" cement board and all of the plank porcelain tile is back-buttered but it still has me nervous. even with the rythmik's at full tilt the floor felt like it was violently heaving. not the end of the world if that happens though, i guess carpet will be in my future for those two rooms...
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well if you get into 150 territory you may blow out some older windows from frames...sound waves/pressure get destructive...I know you know...I was close to breaking a lot of wife stuff at 128db....and got a firm thats loud enough after a seashell lamp just broke all apart. but nonetheless Im extremely exited about your quest.

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if you're even remotely serious you should throw up a classified listing here on the forum. i sold both a pair of rythmik fv15's & a trio of fv25's primarily because this site seems to attract all of us crazies that are obsessed with the hobby and many of us are always looking for a good deal on equipment.



my only reservation with buying a "cap6000ulf" is that no one else has and i don't really want to be a beta-tester. the cap4000 is proven and i think that makes more sense (to me).
The hypothetical 6000ULF using an sp1-6000 amp would need 240V power for max output, it will run on 120V but only at half power (3kW).

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The hypothetical 6000ULF using an sp1-6000 amp would need 240V power for max output, it will run on 120V but only at half power (3kW).

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good thing that's so easily correctable
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The JTR Neosis 212HT nude:



The 12" woofer and the the horn loaded compression driver:



The mesh like material on the horn loaded compression driver:



This is what the compression driver looks like inside:



The 212HT's speaker terminals vs the typical ones (KEF Q100 shown here):



The 212HT on the matching custom speaker stand vs. what I was using for the mains: Jamo C103:



A little closer:

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Oh wow man, they look epic!...those poor Jamo's will be feeling a little inadequate




...now just I'll sit here waiting for your impressions









When you get a chance to really release the hounds, can I give you some favourite scenes where these large,high sensitivity HT speakers really set themselves apart from traditional hi-fi speakers (hint: gunshots!)


1. 13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi The first wave scene, but pretty much every battle scene


2. John Wick 2 The tunnel shootout scene


3. Den Of Thieves Final gunfight in the traffic


4. John Wick 1 Club scene (had to include this one!)


...the Uzi gunshots in Underworld Awakening are incredible too!
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good thing that's so easily correctable


Hmmmm. I might be out on that front.
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Please define "these subs".

the jtr line in general.
better drivers, amps, boxes ?
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the jtr line in general.
better drivers, amps, boxes ?
Better compared to what...SVS?
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Better compared to what...SVS?
any brand.
i just see these always highly regarded, and wondered what made them so.
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