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Dual 21” ported?
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Dual 21” ported?


Yeah something like that. The driver in the pic is not yet JTR ULF driver. So may be a mid bass monster?


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It's the new Captivator 12000ULF -- dual 24" neo drivers, 12000W, tuned to 5Hz... $7,999... It only took Jeff 4 weeks, not 6 months, to come up with the design... ... Just kidding!!!

It's JUST a custom Cap 4000ULF-LP-BK... butt kicker edition.
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It's the new Captivator 12000ULF -- dual 24" neo drivers, 12000W, tuned to 5Hz... $7,999... It only took Jeff 4 weeks, not months, to come up with the design...


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It's the new Captivator 12000ULF -- dual 24" neo drivers, 12000W, tuned to 5Hz... $7,999... It only took Jeff 4 weeks, not 6 months, to come up with the design... ... Just kidding!!!

It's JUST a custom Cap 4000ULF-LP-BK... butt kicker edition.


I knew you had to be kidding! That was a 4 day job not 4 weeks. Jeez


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It's the new Captivator 12000ULF -- dual 24" neo drivers, 12000W, tuned to 5Hz... $7,999... It only took Jeff 4 weeks, not 6 months, to come up with the design... ... Just kidding!!!

It's JUST a custom Cap 4000ULF-LP-BK... butt kicker edition.
You should have posted this on April 1.

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Does anyone know speaker power hours ? Are they open thursdays
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Does anyone know speaker power hours ? Are they open thursdays
They should be open at least 9 to 5 PST

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They should be open at least 9 to 5 PST
Oh I called them at 7 and 8 that explains why noone answered thanks
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I have noticed that I get more bass coming out of the 4k ULF from the right side rather than the front of the sub. Is that normal or a placement issue. Both right/left and front sides are open to the room with just a wall behind the sub.
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It's the new Captivator 12000ULF -- dual 24" neo drivers, 12000W, tuned to 5Hz... $7,999... It only took Jeff 4 weeks, not 6 months, to come up with the design... [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/tongue.gif[/IMG] [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG] [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/eek.gif[/IMG]... Just kidding!!!

It's JUST a custom Cap 4000ULF-LP-BK... butt kicker edition.
Dual 24" ported? 😛 Good Lord, I can't even imagine! Not sure anyone would need THAT much low end. Good grief, no one could fit it in their home.

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Dual 24" ported? 😛 Good Lord, I can't even imagine! Not sure anyone would need THAT much low end. Good grief, no one could fit it in their home.
You'd be surprised some people will make anything fit!

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Just received my replacement amp for my Captivator S1 today after emailing Jeff this week about the repeated cycling on and off issues. Connecting the new amp to the wires to the driver couldn’t be easier. I’m relieved now there aren’t the cycling issues (knocking on wood) with my relatively new Captivator S1. I’m grateful to @Jeff Permanian and @SpeakerPower for the manner in which they arranged to send me a new amp (a total of 2 days!) and their attentativeness to my frustrations because of the defective amp issues.

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Do we have any S2 owners in here? I’ve been wondering about that model for a while but don’t recall them being discussed. I have an old model S1 pair, a trio of 4000ULF, and a pair of 2400ULF (sold 2 of my 4 2400ULF, got two more to sell left).

I’ve got 4 rooms set up for music and HT, which is why I tend to have quite a few. As I go from one room to the other, I can’t help but appreciate the S1 sound. Maybe it’s that sealed vs ported thing. So I remain curious about the newer models, and especially the S2 versions.

Has anyone compared the way the S2 sounds to the other JTR models?

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Do we have any S2 owners in here? I’ve been wondering about that model for a while but don’t recall them being discussed. I have an old model S1 pair, a trio of 4000ULF, and a pair of 2400ULF (sold 2 of my 4 2400ULF, got two more to sell left).

I’ve got 4 rooms set up for music and HT, which is why I tend to have quite a few. As I go from one room to the other, I can’t help but appreciate the S1 sound. Maybe it’s that sealed vs ported thing. So I remain curious about the newer models, and especially the S2 versions.

Has anyone compared the way the S2 sounds to the other JTR models?

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I have noticed that I get more bass coming out of the 4k ULF from the right side rather than the front of the sub. Is that normal or a placement issue. Both right/left and front sides are open to the room with just a wall behind the sub.

Hi,

Since your post hasn't been answered, I'll give it a try. I'm not sure what you mean when you say that more bass seems to be coming from the right side of the sub? Are you saying that if you get up very close to the sub, more bass seems to come from the right side of the cabinet, or are you saying that from your MLP, more bass seems to come from the side of the room where the Cap 4000 is located?

You may need to offer more information to get a definitive answer, but I'm going to assume that you are talking about hearing more bass from the right side of the room, where the sub is located. Some people seem to be more susceptible to bass localization than others, and that's really what you are describing if you hear more bass on one side of the room.

Bass localization is awareness of directionality in low-bass sounds, and/or sensations, and most people can prevent most localization with the use of 80Hz crossovers. In a perfect world, you wouldn't be able to tell exactly where the bass was coming from. It would simply supplement the bass coming from the speakers, and would seem to either come from the same direction as the higher bass frequencies (primarily played by your entire front soundstage) or it would seem to come from everywhere.

That really doesn't work for me with some low-bass content. I can identify directionality in bass below 80Hz, perhaps partly due to low-bass TR, which is one reason why I have multiple subs spaced around my room. Whether this is something that you can resolve by experimenting with a more central subwoofer placement (or lower crossovers), or whether you will need more than one subwoofer to resolve it, is a question that only you can answer.

If what you are describing is not bass localization, but a specific issue with sound coming from the side of the cabinet at close range, then you will need to contact Jeff for specific advice. I hope this helps!

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Do we have any S2 owners in here? I’ve been wondering about that model for a while but don’t recall them being discussed. I have an old model S1 pair, a trio of 4000ULF, and a pair of 2400ULF (sold 2 of my 4 2400ULF, got two more to sell left).

I’ve got 4 rooms set up for music and HT, which is why I tend to have quite a few. As I go from one room to the other, I can’t help but appreciate the S1 sound. Maybe it’s that sealed vs ported thing. So I remain curious about the newer models, and especially the S2 versions.

Has anyone compared the way the S2 sounds to the other JTR models?

My listing for the remaining JTR subwoofers (CA Bay Area) is here:
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ele...870581169.html
S2 sounds exactly the same as the S1 but more output. Pretty much similar to stack of S1 with less amp power. If you like the way S1 sounds then you will like the S2.

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Do we have any S2 owners in here? I’ve been wondering about that model for a while but don’t recall them being discussed. I have an old model S1 pair, a trio of 4000ULF, and a pair of 2400ULF (sold 2 of my 4 2400ULF, got two more to sell left).

I’ve got 4 rooms set up for music and HT, which is why I tend to have quite a few. As I go from one room to the other, I can’t help but appreciate the S1 sound. Maybe it’s that sealed vs ported thing. So I remain curious about the newer models, and especially the S2 versions.

Has anyone compared the way the S2 sounds to the other JTR models?

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What @ereed said. 2 S1’s should sound the same and have a bit more output as they have 400w more for each driver and maybe more cabinet space. You probably couldn’t tell the difference.

The only other JTR sub I have heard is the 118 - but I prefer sealed subs
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The ULF 4000 should sound as the ULF 2400 aside from having more maximum output, except that to me, it doesn’t. The microphone says they are the same, but my ear does not. The ULF 4000 sounds physically larger.

An entire wall of 18” sealed woofers would sound different to a single one, even if the response was the same, yeah? It would sound bigger, less directional. Like how a 60” ribbon speaker sounds different to a 30” ribbon even if the response is the same.

I’d really like to hear a dual sealed JTR 18, or hear from people who have though. I don’t want to buy 4 of them and discover once I have them that they don’t quite suit me after the fact.
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The ULF 4000 should sound as the ULF 2400 aside from having more maximum output, except that to me, it doesn’t. The microphone says they are the same, but my ear does not. The ULF 4000 sounds physically larger.



An entire wall of 18” sealed woofers would sound different to a single one, even if the response was the same, yeah? It would sound bigger, less directional. Like how a 60” ribbon speaker sounds different to a 30” ribbon even if the response is the same.



I’d really like to hear a dual sealed JTR 18, or hear from people who have though. I don’t want to buy 4 of them and discover once I have them that they don’t quite suit me after the fact.
Were you the one with oak cabinets who had some integration issues a year ago? Carver Amazings? Wasn't it suggested that you needed to try different positioning and maybe even using ported where you should be using sealed and vice versa? What happened? Why are you selling the 2400ULFs and considering S2s?
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The ULF 4000 should sound as the ULF 2400 aside from having more maximum output, except that to me, it doesn’t. The microphone says they are the same, but my ear does not. The ULF 4000 sounds physically larger.

An entire wall of 18” sealed woofers would sound different to a single one, even if the response was the same, yeah? It would sound bigger, less directional. Like how a 60” ribbon speaker sounds different to a 30” ribbon even if the response is the same.

I’d really like to hear a dual sealed JTR 18, or hear from people who have though. I don’t want to buy 4 of them and discover once I have them that they don’t quite suit me after the fact.
I'm also thinking, please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you have the 14hz tuned 2400? Maybe that makes a difference, maybe not but I believe one of the reasons Jeff changed the tune to 10hz last year was to more easily integrate a 2400ulf and the 4000. Marc A, chucky7?

Pretty sure there is a guy in Houston that has dual S2s, 7channelfreak. Don't think he posts much if at all but he is listed in the "I'll demo my sub" thread. Maybe PM him or scan that list and see if any other S2s are listed.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-s...l#post20826546

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I'm also thinking, please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you have the 14hz tuned 2400? Maybe that makes a difference, maybe not but I believe one of the reasons Jeff changed the tune to 10hz last year was to more easily integrate a 2400ulf and the 4000. Marc A, chucky7? Pretty sure there is a guy in Houston that has dual S2s, 7channelfreak. Don't think he posts much if at all but he is listed in the "I'll demo my sub" thread. Maybe PM him or scan that list and see if any other S2s are listed.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-s...l#post20826546

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He has the 10Hz tuned 2400ULFs.
I stand corrected! Sweet cabinets!

Damn, kinda wished I'd done a custom finish. Maybe when I add 2 more?

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I stand corrected! Sweet cabinets!

Damn, kinda wished I'd done a custom finish. Maybe when I add 2 more?

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The problem with the custom finish is matching. Most people want the finish to match the decor or the mains. Unless you are okay with non-matching finishes, when you upgrade your mains or get different decor, the sub's finish might not match the new stuff... LOL...
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That's why I have chosen to opt for the piano black style of finish. Speakers and subs look nearly identical regardless of manufacturer, and the look tends to transition well into a variety of home environments. They do show dust and you have to be careful not to scratch them, but all of my maids understand this.


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So I finally got the new amp installed back on my 2400 and it turns on green light is on it does first relay click and I turn on a movie and no sound at all comes from the sub I plugged it into different outlets turned on off multiple times turned it on standby, off, on I tried recalibrating my denon doesnt get a signal changed different cables xlr , rca cables nothing could the problem be that I plugged in the redblack power cables to the amp wrong or wrong place can someone explain or send me a pic of where they should be installed I see it says +1 +2 -1 -2 and theres 4 places I can connect to the power I forgot to take a pic where mine was installed but from what I remember I installed them in the correct place and everything should work

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So I finally got the new amp installed back on my 2400 and it turns on green light is on it does first relay click and I turn on a movie and no sound at all comes from the sub I plugged it into different outlets turned on off multiple times turned it on standby, off, on I tried recalibrating my denon doesnt get a signal changed different cables xlr , rca cables nothing could the problem be that I plugged in the redblack power cables to the amp wrong or wrong place can someone explain or send me a pic of where they should be installed I see it says +1 +2 -1 -2 and theres 4 places I can connect to the power I forgot to take a pic where mine was installed but from what I remember I installed them in the correct place and everything should work
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