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post #12541 of 12697 Old 05-15-2019, 07:35 PM
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Thanks Desertdome, that helps a lot. It was more the function of the "LF adjust" I was after and graph clearly explains that.
Basically, the LF Adjust provides more output down low. Therefore, if you are aiming for a flat FR, the setting for a smaller room will be lower than that for a larger room.

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Anyone know what this plug is for on the back of the JTR 4000ULF amp and why it's a unique shape?
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Anyone know what this plug is for on the back of the JTR 4000ULF amp and why it's a unique shape?
It's a speakON connector by Neutrik. It is usually not used.

In a master and slave configuration, the SpeaKON connector is used to connect the slave unit(s) to the master unit.

I am not sure if a user with 2 JTR subs can connect sub 2 to sub 1 with speakON.

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About two months ago I received my S2 and two slanted 8ht rear speakers. Jeff painted the rears to match the trim color in my room (alabaster).
They came out perfect. They blend sonically with my front 212s and aestheticaly with my room. The S2? Come on man, you know that is a beast!

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Any one know what is the dispersion angle for the Slanted 8LPs? I am looking for something around 120 degrees. The obvious choice seems to be bipole but can't find anything with high efficiency...

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Any one know what is the dispersion angle for the Slanted 8LPs? I am looking for something around 120 degrees. The obvious choice seems to be bipole but can't find anything with high efficiency...
Per Jeff, the coaxial driver's dispersion angle is 90 x 90.

AFAIK, if these have wider dispersion horizontally, then they would be narrower vertically. Therefore you see 90 x 90 or 120 x 60 or less.

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Per Jeff, the coaxial driver's dispersion angle is 90 x 90.

AFAIK, if these have wider dispersion horizontally, then they would be narrower vertically. Therefore you see 90 x 90 or 120 x 60 or less.


I need it for this application for side surrounds






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I need it for this application for side surrounds
When you have side surrounds very close to multiple rows of seating, it is pick your poison...

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When you have side surrounds very close to multiple rows of seating, it is pick your poison...


That is what I am dealing if I moved the surrounds to the sides. I am told that it should result in an improvement in my listening experience as the gap from the fronts to the surround is big. I just need to know for sure if the JTR single 8 LP or slanted LP will work in this case. The PSA have a 90 degree dispersion angle. So I could PSA or if JTR is more than JTR. Tried Jeff several times through mediums but can’t get a response.


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That is what I am dealing if I moved the surrounds to the sides. I am told that it should result in an improvement in my listening experience as the gap from the fronts to the surround is big. I just need to know for sure if the JTR single 8 LP or slanted LP will work in this case. The PSA have a 90 degree dispersion angle. So I could PSA or if JTR is more than JTR. Tried Jeff several times through mediums but can’t get a response.


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Would something like this work for your arrangement. Possible?

https://www.klipsch.com/surround-sound-speakers


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Would something like this work for your arrangement. Possible?



https://www.klipsch.com/surround-sound-speakers





Hi Adam, potentially and will try them out. If I could a speaker from JTR or PSA that can work for this application then that would be preference. I have also heard that the new Dolby ATMOS and DTS-X sound modes do not recommend dipole/bipole speakers at all. The main reason is that the new 3D object based up mixers assume you are using direct radiating speakers all around as the effects are totally directional. If that is the case that the bipole may not work but only way to know is to try I guess.


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Ray, I found these JBLs that have wide horizontal dispersion 110-120 degrees, and variable mounting options, not cheap or small either though and very sensitive. I still think the 110sr would work just fine.....if not send them back.

http://www.jblpro.com/www/products/c...s#.XOAwB9QrIW0
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Hi Adam, potentially and will try them out. If I could a speaker from JTR or PSA that can work for this application then that would be preference. I have also heard that the new Dolby ATMOS and DTS-X sound modes do not recommend dipole/bipole speakers at all. The main reason is that the new 3D object based up mixers assume you are using direct radiating speakers all around as the effects are totally directional. If that is the case that the bipole may not work but only way to know is to try I guess.


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Hi imureh,

Yeah I was just looking at the location you plan to mount these. Right in the middle of two rows of seats slightly forward and rearward. I just tossed it out as an option. Not the perfect solution, but sometimes we have to make compromises. The problem is the distance from the Wall mount location to the seats. So close the dispersion cone will be pretty narrow. However, you could gain some distance by moving your mounting location higher on the wall and slightly angle the speakers downward. Tough choices here. In the end it is what it is. Can only do so much to an existing room and its dimensions.

Good luck and let us know what you experiment with. Will be interesting to learn how you deal with this.
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Ray, I found these JBLs that have wide horizontal dispersion 110-120 degrees, and variable mounting options, not cheap or small either though and very sensitive. I still think the 110sr would work just fine.....if not send them back.



http://www.jblpro.com/www/products/c...s#.XOAwB9QrIW0


Thanks Jeffrey. Yes I will use my existing 110sr to compare and if they sound better then will order an additional pair.


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Thanks Jeffrey. Yes I will use my existing 110sr to compare and if they sound better then will order an additional pair.


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You're welcome my friend, TBH I think using the existing 110sr you have is the best option for you right now even though it will be a PITA removing them from the rear wall but it's the only way to know for sure before spending more money. I believe you will notice a marked improvement with filling the gap between your front stage and sides, it should keep your bed layer intact with enveloping sound. I suggest not mounting them higher up on the wall so as to not interfere with the Atmos speakers angle even though they're slant boxes...good luck and let us know what you think......
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I'm really thinking about dropping diy solutions & moving towards JTR setup. What solution does JTR offer for Atmos & DTS-X ?

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I'm really thinking about dropping diy solutions & moving towards JTR setup. What solution does JTR offer for Atmos & DTS-X ?


People use their single 8s for that application. Probably overkill for Atmos but this is AVS!


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Hi Jeff (or anyone else that an answer),

I have a 2013 Passive Cap 2400 that I currently power with an EP4000. If I purchased a new Cap 2400, can I power both with the one plate amp on the new Cap?

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Wow, no activity on this thread for over a week?!? I think that's a new record.

Everyone must be enjoying their JTR subs!
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Wow, no activity on this thread for over a week?!? I think that's a new record.

Everyone must be enjoying their JTR subs!
I know I am
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Hi guys.

I'm building a relatively modest home theater for now

Denon receiver
Polk LSiM 5 speaker setup
Additional amp
2 subs (unsure which type yet)

Thus will go in a 16*16 living room with a stanard 15 amp outlet

Is it worth it for me to consider a JTR subwoofer or 2? Vs the standard recommendations of Svs, hsu, Rythmik, etc

The only JTR sub in my price range would be the 118 Captivator.... I could add a 2nd later.
Alternatively, I could get dual HSU subs now.
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Hi guys.

I'm building a relatively modest home theater for now

Denon receiver
Polk LSiM 5 speaker setup
Additional amp
2 subs (unsure which type yet)

Thus will go in a 16*16 living room with a stanard 15 amp outlet

Is it worth it for me to consider a JTR subwoofer or 2? Vs the standard recommendations of Svs, hsu, Rythmik, etc

The only JTR sub in my price range would be the 118 Captivator.... I could add a 2nd later.
Alternatively, I could get dual HSU subs now.

I’ve got a 118 and am a big fan.

What’s your total budget for subs?

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My budget is flexible. The caveat is the sub would need a nicer finish than the ones that comes standard for JTR.

I would like some kind of black satin or gloss finish. I don't know what he charges for that

I could probably spend about 2k.... Which means 1 sub or 2 smaller ones. I could add more later
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I had the same need (nicer finish) and got the black gloss. Looks pretty nice - it’s been a while now so i don’t remember the upcharge but i don’t recall it being too much.

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The upgraded trims come in two types. Your choice of wood plus stain would be $300 up charge. $500 would get you automotive paint finish (super glossy) of any car paint of your choice. These were the prices several months back. You may, want to also have rubber feet attached to the bottom for $50 extra to protect the paint surface from touching the ground.
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My budget is flexible. The caveat is the sub would need a nicer finish than the ones that comes standard for JTR.

I would like some kind of black satin or gloss finish. I don't know what he charges for that

I could probably spend about 2k.... Which means 1 sub or 2 smaller ones. I could add more later
The black satin (Hsu Research like finish) is much less labor intensive than gloss so the upcharge should be closer to $300 per sub.

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Hi guys.

I'm building a relatively modest home theater for now

Denon receiver
Polk LSiM 5 speaker setup
Additional amp
2 subs (unsure which type yet)

Thus will go in a 16*16 living room with a stanard 15 amp outlet

Is it worth it for me to consider a JTR subwoofer or 2? Vs the standard recommendations of Svs, hsu, Rythmik, etc

The only JTR sub in my price range would be the 118 Captivator.... I could add a 2nd later.
Alternatively, I could get dual HSU subs now.
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My budget is flexible. The caveat is the sub would need a nicer finish than the ones that comes standard for JTR.

I would like some kind of black satin or gloss finish. I don't know what he charges for that

I could probably spend about 2k.... Which means 1 sub or 2 smaller ones. I could add more later

Hi,

You haven't mentioned your listening levels, or how much bass you like. In some respects, those factors can be even more important than your room size. But, since you are running an external amp with only 5 channels, and since you are inquiring about JTR subs, I assume that you like listening at fairly high volumes and that you like having plenty of bass. (You have come to the right place for that.) Given that, the first recommendation I would make is that you follow-through on the plan to get one more powerful sub now, and a second one later, rather than getting two lesser subs now.

Long-term, most serious listeners are going to want to have dual subs. But, starting with the right sub now will save you a lot of upgrade headaches down the road. At the roughly $2000 price point, the quality goes up significantly, and the Cap 118HT with the 18Hz port tune would be an excellent choice. A couple of HSU's now might give you a certain kind of instant gratification. But, long-term, I think that one 118 now and a second one later will be a much better investment, and will give you much more listening satisfaction.

I hope this helps!

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You haven't mentioned your listening levels, or how much bass you like. In some respects, those factors can be even more important than your room size. But, since you are running an external amp with only 5 channels, and since you are inquiring about JTR subs, I assume that you like listening at fairly high volumes and that you like having plenty of bass. (You have come to the right place for that.) Given that, the first recommendation I would make is that you follow-through on the plan to get one more powerful sub now, and a second one later, rather than getting two lesser subs now.

Long-term, most serious listeners are going to want to have dual subs. But, starting with the right sub now will save you a lot of upgrade headaches down the road. At the roughly $2000 price point, the quality goes up significantly, and the Cap 118HT with the 18Hz port tune would be an excellent choice. A couple of HSU's now might give you a certain kind of instant gratification. But, long-term, I think that one 118 now and a second one later will be a much better investment, and will give you much more listening satisfaction.

I hope this helps!

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Mike

It does Mike! I am considering a million different options here. I guess my total "initial" budget is around $2,000.



It seems like I have a few options:
A) Get 2 HSU (or similar) subs
B) Get 1 JTR 118HT sub ... and add a 2nd one several months to a year later.
C) Get 1 high end SVS sub, like a PB-4000 or something ... and add a 2nd one several months to a year later.


In either case, they need to last a long time, have suburb sound quality, and have a good WAF finish for my living room.





I am okay starting with 1 sub for now, as long as that will be decent until I can afford 2 of them. Would having just a single JTR subwoofer cause some kind of sound dispersion problem? in a 5.1 theater setup? Lots of what I read suggests that having 2 subs will sound much nicer than 1 more expensive sub. There will be a long time delay before I am able to add a 2nd JTR sub.... and even then, I would want the custom finish to match the 1st one that I buy.
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It does Mike! I am considering a million different options here. I guess my total "initial" budget is around $2,000.



It seems like I have a few options:
A) Get 2 HSU (or similar) subs
B) Get 1 JTR 118HT sub ... and add a 2nd one several months to a year later.
C) Get 1 high end SVS sub, like a PB-4000 or something ... and add a 2nd one several months to a year later.


In either case, they need to last a long time, have suburb sound quality, and have a good WAF finish for my living room.





I am okay starting with 1 sub for now, as long as that will be decent until I can afford 2 of them. Would having just a single JTR subwoofer cause some kind of sound dispersion problem? in a 5.1 theater setup? Lots of what I read suggests that having 2 subs will sound much nicer than 1 more expensive sub. There will be a long time delay before I am able to add a 2nd JTR sub.... and even then, I would want the custom finish to match the 1st one that I buy.


Why are you not considering a Rythmik FV18 paper cone with all those options plus PSA? JTR would be the only one with custom finish options unless you go to Salk sound and get a custom rythmik.


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It does Mike! I am considering a million different options here. I guess my total "initial" budget is around $2,000.

It seems like I have a few options:
A) Get 2 HSU (or similar) subs
B) Get 1 JTR 118HT sub ... and add a 2nd one several months to a year later.
C) Get 1 high end SVS sub, like a PB-4000 or something ... and add a 2nd one several months to a year later.

In either case, they need to last a long time, have suburb sound quality, and have a good WAF finish for my living room.

I am okay starting with 1 sub for now, as long as that will be decent until I can afford 2 of them. Would having just a single JTR subwoofer cause some kind of sound dispersion problem? in a 5.1 theater setup? Lots of what I read suggests that having 2 subs will sound much nicer than 1 more expensive sub. There will be a long time delay before I am able to add a 2nd JTR sub.... and even then, I would want the custom finish to match the 1st one that I buy.

It's nice to have options! In some respects, starting with a single good sub is a little easier than starting with two subwoofers, because you will have a lot to learn about how to position your subwoofer properly, and how to operate it properly. Subwoofers are a little more complicated than speakers, and subwoofer placement and settings matter.

I will leave it up to you as to whether you prefer a Cap 118 or a PB4000. The Cap 118 will have more overall output, especially in the mid-bass. The PB4000 has the advantage of already being available in the piano black finish, and you can try one for 45-days and return it for a full refund, with free shipping, if it doesn't satisfy you. For someone who is just trying to figure out what he wants, that can be an advantage.

I'm not sure what you mean by a sound dispersion problem. A single good subwoofer should do a pretty good job by itself in a 16' by 16' room. Two subwoofers should do an even better job, but they may also require a little more effort to integrate properly.

To me, the question of whether to start with one or two is literally an instant gratification, versus long-term vision/investment, question. Most experienced home theater owners will tell you that it is better to build your HT components strategically, selecting each component carefully, rather than trying to hit the ground running with something less than you will want long-term.

If you buy two HSU subwoofers now, and get curious about whether you compromised a little bit, you will have to advertise and sell them in order to upgrade. If you buy the single more expensive sub you want now, your upgrade path is much simpler--you just add a second one when you can. A few months or a year doesn't sound like such a long time to me, but I think that I have finally learned some patience about this sort of thing.

You will have to make the final decision, but my advice is nearly always to start with the best single sub you can afford and then add the second one when you can. If we were talking about having to wait years instead of months to add a second sub, my advice would probably be different.

Regards,
Mike
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