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post #12721 of 13208 Old 07-23-2019, 01:14 PM
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What about the amps that ship with the 2400's? Do they still have any problems? Not too happy if they hum or go out intermittently. Anyone received one recently that can comment on the QC of these going out?

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I can provide more examples.

Back in May of 2018, my Cap 4000ULF was part of a group buy of 7 Cap 2400ULFs and 1 Cap 4000ULF. 2 of the Cap 2400ULFs were for my friend. I delivered them and helped him set up. Both of the amps were good (as in working properly). We put 1 Cap 2400ULF at the front of the living room. There was no cable box there and no hum. The other Cap 2400ULF was put at the back of the room and there was hum because the outlet was on the same circuit as a dining room dimmer switch. Dimmer switch is the number 2 culprit of hum (Cable box is number one). We put a cheater plug on it and the hum was gone. AFAIK, all of the amps in that shipment were working properly. You noticed the hum from my Cap 4000ULF. I found a free remedy for it.

I asked Jeff about this. He said that the law requires all electronics above 2000W to have ground which introduced the possibility of ground loop hum. This is why Rythmik amps (Max 1800W), or PSA's ICE Power amp modules (700W or 1400W) don't have ground (2 prongs). They are all under 2000W.

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my old 1200 watt velodyne hgs 12 sub had bad ground in an old house rental...cheater plug solved it. same sub in my new home has no issues with ground loops...or any sub....it has to be house wiring imo.
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I was lucky enough to get 2 demo Cap 1400s and Jeff is going to ship them this week. I already have 2017 tall Cap 2400ULF. Seems 1400s are slightly different (e.g. LF Adjust) as they were built in 2015. I really appreciate if you can share your expert thoughts/recommendations.
Good job!

Your 2017 Cap 2400ULF's LFA should look like below: At Boost (Max), the FR is flat outdoors. At Cut (Min), you are down 12dB @ the port tune of 15Hz. The LFA range is -12 dB to 0.



The 2015 Cap 1400's LFA should look like below: At middle, the FR is flat outdoors. At Boost (Max), it is +6 dB @ the port tune of 17Hz. At Cut (Min), it is -6 dB @ 17Hz. The LFA range is -6 dB to +6 dB.



You can ask Jeff to re-program them so that their LFA range matches that of your 2017 Cap 2400ULF.

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Thank you, Chucky. Today Jeff is going to ship them. I think it is late to ask reprogramming.
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Thank you, Chucky. Today Jeff is going to ship them. I think it is late to ask reprogramming.
Ahhh, Ok! You shouldn't have problem matching the LF Adjusts if you have the 2017 2400ULF's LF Adjust higher than mid.

Just a quick guide:

2015 Cap 1400's LF Adjust @ mid = flat outdoors (0dB) = 2017 2400ULF's LF Adjust @ max.
2015 Cap 1400's LF Adjust @ min = -6 dB = 2017 2400ULF's LF Adjust @ mid.

Hope this helps!
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Thank you, Chucky. Today Jeff is going to ship them. I think it is late to ask reprogramming.
Ahhh, Ok! You shouldn't have problem matching the LF Adjusts if you have the 2017 2400ULF's LF Adjust higher than mid.

Just a quick guide:

2015 Cap 1400's LF Adjust @ mid = flat outdoors (0dB) = 2017 2400ULF's LF Adjust @ max.
2015 Cap 1400's LF Adjust @ min = -6 dB = 2017 2400ULF's LF Adjust @ mid.

Hope this helps!
Thanks Chucky. Definitely this helps. Currently I keep LFA of 2400ULF at 9’O clock
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I just watched Alita: Battle Angel. The movie was mixed hot and had bass in the right places. I would say it's on Interstellar level but mixed slightly hotter and extended 10Hz lower.

When the bass hits, I was afraid that my neighbors would call the police. Alas, that didn't happen.

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First pictures of the Captivator 2400XS in the wild:







https://www.facebook.com/pg/youthman...g&__tn__=-UC-R

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Damn....that's a good lookin' sub!!!!
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Size comparison of the new JTR with a few subs:


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That’s a tiny sub! It has no business doing 12Hz 😉. So, I’m assuming the market segment for a sub like this (vs the 2400 or the 2400ulf) is someone who wants the low extension but cannot hide the sub and needs a smaller sub for WAF? Or someone who cannot fit the 2400 in their room? Else, why not just buy the 2400?
Also, since sub dimensions are small and tuning is so low is this ideally a small room sub(headroom)?
If aesthetic purposes dominates the reason for choosing this sub over the 2400, maybe add a few more hundreds to the budget for a custom paint job or wood finish.

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I feel like I'm missing something, how does the 2400 XS get away with such a small looking port compared to seemingly every competing sub?
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I just watched Alita: Battle Angel. The movie was mixed hot and had bass in the right places. I would say it's on Interstellar level but mixed slightly hotter and extended 10Hz lower.

When the bass hits, I was afraid that my neighbors would call the police. Alas, that didn't happen.
I concur. This track is awesome!!
Spoiler!
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I feel like I'm missing something, how does the 2400 XS get away with such a small looking port compared to seemingly every competing sub?
Jeff first decided on the cabinet size and 10Hz tune. With a maximum port length allowed by the cabinet, he could figure out the port area to achieve the 10Hz port tune. Air velocity is at the greatest at the tuning frequency. However, since hot bass content @ 20Hz is much more common than at 10Hz, 10Hz port tune with a smaller port is safer than 20Hz with a smaller port (with the same port area but much much shorter port length).

If you block part of your sub's 6" port, you basically lower its port tune.

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I feel like I'm missing something, how does the 2400 XS get away with such a small looking port compared to seemingly every competing sub?
For a given cabinet volume, the lower the tuning, the lower the port velocity (smaller port requirement).
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For a given cabinet volume, the lower the tuning, the lower the port velocity (smaller port requirement).
Just curious, Any chance this sub would work well with a higher power ICE amp? Im sure you probably looked at this already, just curious is all. The SP amps are pretty spendy and the 1920watt Ice might be an affordable alternative unless there is a underlying metric that would hinder performance such as impedance? Great looking sub btw!!
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For a given cabinet volume, the lower the tuning, the lower the port velocity (smaller port requirement).
Interesting, would not have guessed that. I assume there's some tradeoff involved? Otherwise everyone would just make subs with a drinking straw sized port tuned to 1 Hz :P
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If the port is too small the port velocity will increase. The key here is how much is too much, especially at 10hz where you have room gain involved.
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I just watched Alita: Battle Angel. The movie was mixed hot and had bass in the right places. I would say it's on Interstellar level but mixed slightly hotter and extended 10Hz lower.

When the bass hits, I was afraid that my neighbors would call the police. Alas, that didn't happen.
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I concur. This track is awesome!!
Spoiler!

omg, I completely agree! The wife really wanted to see it but I wasn't sure it was going to be good. I did NOT expect there to be that much bass. It definitely rattled the house. It's definitely on the list of bass movies I'd recommend. And the movie wasn't bad either. I really want them to make part 2.
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Just saw this on JTR Speakers FB:

The sealed Captivator S1 and S2 were improved upon.

The revised Captivator RS1 ($2,599) and RS2 ($3,499) will have:

1. lower distortion.
2. lower inductance.
3. higher motor strength for improved sound and output.

Just in case people didn't know, the S1/S2 drivers are different from 2400/2400ULF/4000ULF drivers. I asked Jeff if the driver revision will also be applied to the ported drivers. He said that so far it's sealed drivers only.

NEW 2020 subwoofers 15% off pre-order sale:

Captivator RS1 $2,209.
Captivator RS2 $2,974.
Captivator 2400XS $2,209.

Shipping starts on August 30th.

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3. higher motor strength ......



I like that Jeff is always improving his products. I just wish I had the wallet to enjoy more of them!
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If you block part of your sub's 6" port, you basically lower its port tune.
Hey Chucky, or anyone else for that matter. I have an older Tall 2400 ULF with 2 ports. It was the 2nd rendition if I remember correctly right after the Horizontal/Low version. I can’t remember who or when but I read a user received a plug from Jeff to lower the tune and possibly updating the AMP. Is this something that continued on or is a consideration still?

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Hey Chucky, or anyone else for that matter. I have an older Tall 2400 ULF with 2 ports. It was the 2nd rendition if I remember correctly right after the Horizontal/Low version. I can’t remember who or when but I read a user received a plug from Jeff to lower the tune and possibly updating the AMP. Is this something that continued on or is a consideration still?

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Hi Mark,

I believe you read about changing the 2018 20Hz tuned Cap118HT ot 18Hz tune. That was done by extending the port inside the cabinet.

In order to change the 14Hz tuned 2400ULF to 10Hz tuned, there are 2 things you need to do:
1. Block part of the port.
2. Take out the amp plate and send it to Jeff to reprogram the DSP.

Please contact Jeff regarding how you can block the port.

As for the amp plate, Jeff said that there is no fee for reprogramming. You do have to pay the shipping (which shouldn't be that much) to send it back to JTR.
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Just placed my order for the Captivator 4000ULF-LP and two 110HT speakers. Can’t wait to pick them up! May I request a membership card? 🙂
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That’️s going to be a killer 2.1 setup!!!
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Damn!!!

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Double damn!!!
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The 110HTs will be used for the side surrounds. The three 212RTs will be the front stage. Nonetheless, its going to be phenomenal. I will be powering these with the 5-Cherry amp which has been amazing the the JTR speakers.

Damn nice! How do you like the 212RTs? I’ve been dreaming about these? What did you have before? What improvements have you noticed? Thanks.
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Well thats intruging. How does it compare to the 118?
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Well that's intriguing. How does it compare to the Cap 118HT?

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Subwoofer: JTR Captivator 4000ULF.
AVR: Denon AVR-X4400H. TV: Samsung UN75NU8000FXZA.

FS: Jamo C103, KEF Q100 and Polk RTiA3

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