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Does anyone have any pics of the RS1 in the wild?

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That's a huge increase down low! Now to talk to Jeff and find a buyer for my Cap 1400.

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Does anyone have any pics of the RS1 in the wild?



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Here’s a pic with the screen down. Hard to get a good shot with the screen up.

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Here’s a pic with the screen down. Hard to get a good shot with the screen up.

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Do you have any close up of the dust cover on the woofer? I am not sure if it is carbon mesh or flat.

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Do you have any close up of the dust cover on the woofer? I am not sure if it is carbon mesh or flat.

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The older versions have matte dust cover. My 2015 Cap 1400 had that.

I believe Jeff switched to carbon fiber dust caps in 2017. My Cap 4000ULF has the carbon fiber ones, and that's what you're getting.

I know you will make videos of those drivers in action. It matters big time to you!
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Do you have any close up of the dust cover on the woofer? I am not sure if it is carbon mesh or flat.

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@chucky7 is correct, it's carbon fiber.
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@chucky7 is correct, it's carbon fiber.
And what I've noticed is that the "new" carbon fiber center is "polished", while the last one was more "raw" - for lack of a better term. Are those two still the same driver?
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As I was hoping, the Cap 1200XS and Single 8HT-LP make an excellent pair! More impressions after I've received the 2nd 1200XS (next week hopefully).




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did you get your second yet?
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And what I've noticed is that the "new" carbon fiber center is "polished", while the last one was more "raw" - for lack of a better term. Are those two still the same driver?
I'm not sure if there were different versions of the carbon fiber dust cap, but I do know that the RS1 and RS2 use a new driver that has less distortion and more output than the previous versions.

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What is the port dimension for the 1200XS? It looks small from the picture.
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And what I've noticed is that the "new" carbon fiber center is "polished", while the last one was more "raw" - for lack of a better term. Are those two still the same driver?
It's not a straight forward answer.

The 2015 Cap 1400 had a 30mm X-Max driver with a paper dust cap. In 2016, Jeff switched over to the 33mm X-Max driver with a carbon fiber dust cap.

This is the driver now on Cap 2400/2400ULF/4000ULF.

While this driver looks the same as the driver in sealed S1 and S2, they are actually different.

Jeff just started using a newer 35.5mm X-Max driver (with a glossy carbon fiber dust cap) on 2020 RS1 and RS2.
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It's not a straight forward answer.

The 2015 Cap 1400 had a 30mm X-Max driver with a paper dust cap. In 2017?, Jeff switched over to the 33mm X-Max driver with a glossy carbon fiber dust cap.

This is the driver now on Cap 2400/2400ULF/4000ULF.

While this driver looks the same as the driver in sealed S1 and S2, they are actually different.

Jeff just started using a newer 35.5mm X-Max driver (with the same glossy carbon fiber dust cap) on 2020 sealed and ported subs.
My Cap 1400's - ordered and shipped April 2017 - have the non-glossy carbon fiber dust caps. So what drivers do I have?
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did you get your second yet?
Funny you ask, it just arrived yesterday!

I haven't had time to calibrate, but running out of the box with gains on both subs at 70% and LF adjust at neutral, there is plenty of bass. The TV nook pictured here opens onto a 1000 sq ft great room and kitchen, and during bass intense material (e.g. Interstellar launch scene), it's clearly pressurizing the whole space! Amazing for such small boxes.

Also, this is my first dual sub setup, and it's also clear that two subs is about three times as good as one It sounds like any nulls that I had with the single sub have for the most part disappeared. Next step is to get a REW measurement, run Dirac, and tweak to taste, so it's only going to get better from here.

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What is the port dimension for the 1200XS? It looks small from the picture.
Looks like about 5.5" by 2".
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My Cap 1400's - ordered and shipped April 2017 - have the non-glossy carbon fiber dust caps. So what drivers do I have?
If you got your Cap 1400's in April 2017, then you have the 33mm X-Max drivers.
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@chucky7 is correct, it's carbon fiber.
We switched to the glossy carbonfiber earlier this year without any other changes to those drivers.
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Three to four Cap 4Ks? I hope everything is bolted down. Breaking in serith's subs for him?
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Opening up a can of worms with that question. While audiophiles typically believe it takes 24 hours of constant sine wave "Break-in" and general usage of the sub thereafter should be ok, this isn't the case so much anymore. Yes the characteristics of a sub driver changes a little over time, and the TS parameters shift some as the driver warms up from usage, but is any of this, in this day and age of driver tech even audible. You'd have a very strong argument that it's not. The whole "Break in" thing is fossil of a concept from yester-year when subs were completely and utterly different from tech being used today...
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Just showing some pics of my 2016 cap 1400 and 2019 cap2400 dust caps for comparison
They both look like carbon fiber but the cap 1400 is rough to the touch. I read a lot on the forum but new to posting
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Are your dual JTRs powered on the same electrical circuit? if so, any issues with the breaker tripping considering these beasts pull a lot of power? Thinking of buying two 2400 ULFs, but not sure if I need them on their own circuits.

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in my home on a 15a outlet 2000 watts is max imo...my fv25hp (2k watt amp i think) can drain all my juice...even rythmik recommends a 240v line so I assume same goes for JTR monster subs
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Actually, the SpeakerPower amps in JTR's subs are extremely efficient. Some of, if not the, most efficient amps available, so they don't require as much juice as conventional amps. It's not uncommon for people to run two 2400 SP amps on the same circuit with ridiculous volume levels and not trip the breaker.

Also, circuit breakers can pass triple and quadruple their ratings for seconds at a time without tripping.

The 4000ULF with a 4000 watt amp can run full tilt on a 20 amp breaker and be fine, when it "shouldn't be possible."
Is anyone using the Digital Loggers IoT Relay to trigger their Subs? I set these up (Link) around six months ago to turn on my SubMersives (one unit for each) when the AVP comes on.

I was thinking to do the same with the 4000ULF's, however, the device has a maximum rating of 120 VAC, 12 A, 1,440 W. Since it was noted the amps are efficient, it might work with one relay for each sub.

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Just showing some pics of my 2016 cap 1400 and 2019 cap2400 dust caps for comparison
They both look like carbon fiber but the cap 1400 is rough to the touch. I read a lot on the forum but new to posting
Yes, my 2018 Cap 4000's dust caps are also rough carbon fiber ones.

Jeff started using glossy carbon fiber in 2019.

Heck, for my next JTR products, I want Jeff to autograph on the dust caps.
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Is anyone using the Digital Loggers IoT Relay to trigger their Subs? I set these up (Link) around six months ago to turn on my SubMersives (one unit for each) when the AVP comes on.

I was thinking to do the same with the 4000ULF's, however, the device has a maximum rating of 120 VAC, 12 A, 1,440 W. Since it was noted the amps are efficient, it might work with one relay for each sub.

Thoughts?

Thanks.

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The 12V trigger cable is just 1/8 inch TRS Cable. Assuming you only need the AVR to trigger 2 subs, you will need a splitter and 2 1/8 inch TRS cables.

2 way splitter:

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In regards to power consumption, when you go from 1 sub to 2 subs, the power consumption halves. When you double the number of subs, you gain 6dB more output -- 3dB from double the power and 3dB from double the drivers. Therefore, at the same output, each sub now produces 6dB less output. This meaning each sub will consume 1/4 of the power. Two subs = 2 * 1/4 = 1/2.
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Those 1200XS sold out! Jeff sold 10-12 units in a matter of a couple weeks. I think that is a good indication that there is a market for a low tuned 15" JTR offering if he can keep the price around 14-1500.00.
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Those 1200XS sold out! Jeff sold 10-12 units in a matter of a couple weeks. I think that is a good indication that there is a market for a low tuned 15" JTR offering if he can keep the price around 14-1500.00.
Ummm, based on my calculations, the 1200XS's $1399 price 1200XS is Jeff's cost... The Internet Direct price is $2199.

$450 for the 15" 30mm driver, $699 for the SP1-1200HT amp, $200 for the cabinet, labor cost, He also has overhead.

He was making the most out of the material.
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Ummm, based on my calculations, the 1200XS's $1399 price 1200XS is Jeff's cost... The Internet Direct price is $2199.

$450 for the 15" 30mm driver, $699 for the SP1-1200HT amp, $200 for the cabinet, labor cost, He also has overhead.

He was making the most out of the material.
Why would Jeff be paying full retail on amps and drivers?
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Why would Jeff be paying full retail on amps and drivers?
Of course he wouldn't. He would get some discount.

At the same time, I believe there are other costs and expenses of doing business that I did not account for.

Speakers: L/C/R: JTR Noesis 212HT. Surrounds: Jamo C103, KEF Q100, Polk Audio RTiA3.
Subwoofer: JTR Captivator 4000ULF.
AVR: Denon AVR-X4400H. TV: Samsung UN75NU8000FXZA.

FS: Jamo C103, KEF Q100 and Polk RTiA3

Last edited by chucky7; 11-21-2019 at 11:50 AM.
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