Originally Posted by jaminkid
This thread is definitely convincing.
I have been learning a lot especially the reviews from actual owners. I'm in the market for new subs and have spent HOURS reading thread after thread and was contemplating custom ported dual 18s similar to the minimarty builds, SVS or JTR. I currently have two PB13 Ultras (since 2015) in front and two BIC F12s in the rear which I've had for a long time now. Everything was set up in an "open-concept" living room/kitchen with the living room being 13x17. Everyone is saying I have enough bass than is needed (especially my neighbor) but I still don't think it's enough. I want more.
I need more output. So my plan, since I'm relocating to Ohio in a few weeks, was to get rid of the F12s and get two 18s. The hard part is trying to figure out which ones to get that would pair well with the SVS PB13s. I contacted Jeff a few weeks ago for a quote on dual 118HTs and received a quick response but then I started reading all this stuff about dual 1400s and now the 2400 (which I keep reading about but have yet to see what it looks like). Can't afford the 4000ULF (I'd have to get two
) and this, as well as the 218HT have a height and depth I really don't want in the front stage.
I'm tired of people coming over, seeing my living room and looking at me like I need counseling. They just don't understand. So I'm buying a house which will have a large basement to put all this gear. I'd say I'm probably 80% movies/TV and the rest is music. I plan to move all equipment to a stacked rack which will open up space to keep the PB13s and add either the 118HTs or 1400s. Basically I'm looking forward to a fresh start in a couple months and I'm just doing research for now to see what's best if I kept the two PB13 Ultras (or get rid of them, which I really don't want to):
1) Go with the dual 118HT
2) Go with the dual 1400
3) Get rid of the PB13s and start over with...
Wasn't sure if should start a new thread but figured I'd post here since I'm already sold on JTR...I just don't know which set. Hope this makes sense. But maybe this is overkill. Either way, I'd appreciate your opinions.
Marc gave you one good option when he suggested that you add dual Cap 1400's. Adam gave you another when he suggested that you might want to get rid of your PB13's in favor of dual Cap 2400's. I think that if you could run the PB13's in more of a rear nearfield arrangement, they would pair nicely with dual 118HT's up front. Looking at the frequency responses of all three subs, I believe that the 118HT's would work better with the PB13's than the Cap 1400's would.
There are some real advantages to the additional envelopment (and frequency response) that occurs with four subs. And, I am emphasizing the envelopment factor a little bit, in this case, because that is something that you have already experienced and would perhaps miss if you only had two subs up front. With that said, a pair of Cap 2400's would be a completely different ball game, in my opinion.
I think it would be easier to advise you if you gave us a little more information about your listening habits. What would be your typical listening level when you are really into it, and how much sub boost are you currently using with your dual PB13's? One of the things that may be overlooked in some of the discussions of max output is how much of the available output will actually ever be used. I have four ported subs in my 6000^3 room (with a concrete floor), and the loudest I have ever been able to listen, with any degree of comfort, is about -12 MV, with a +16db sub boost, post-calibration. At those levels, I believe I have about 10db of headroom left in my subs without getting into an area where distortion or port chuffing might come into play.
So, with dual PB13's and dual Cap 118HT's in a large room, I believe that it is unlikely that you would ever exceed the capacity of those subs. But, knowing more about your listening habits, and your specific bass goals, will help. For instance, can you articulate what you are looking for with a sub upgrade? More mid-bass (chest thump) more low bass (ULF and low tactile response), etc?