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post #31 of 42 Old 02-04-2018, 03:34 PM
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Also, I noticed that when I ran my Audyssey set up the Speedwoofer volume level would get set to 0, while the PB-1000 would get set to +2. This is with both volume controls set to the 12 o'clock position during the set up.
I also played some bass sweeps (from YouTube) and noticed that I could hear the PB at 25 hz but the Speedwoofer not until 30 hz (the bass steps were in 5 hz increments).
But when I played the battle scene in the Lord of The Rings The Two Towers, where they blow up the wall, the Speedwoofer still had more impact. So it was more fun to listen to, at least to me.
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Also, I noticed that when I ran my Audyssey set up the Speedwoofer volume level would get set to 0, while the PB-1000 would get set to +2. This is with both volume controls set to the 12 o'clock position during the set up.
I also played some bass sweeps (from YouTube) and noticed that I could hear the PB at 25 hz but the Speedwoofer not until 30 hz (the bass steps were in 5 hz increments).
But when I played the battle scene in the Lord of The Rings The Two Towers, where they blow up the wall, the Speedwoofer still had more impact. So it was more fun to listen to, at least to me.
You aren't exactly setting these up correctly. The gain (volume) knob on the sub amp will vary in sensitivity from amp to amp/brand to brand. Ideally, you want to set the sub amp to around 12 o'clock, run Audyssey and see what the receiver reports back with the sub level. You want a negative result, preferably something like -6 to -10. This allows you to leave the gain alone on the sub amp and adjust the level on the receiver to where you like it. If you get a result of 0 or +2, which is what you got, increase the sub gain some and re-run Audyssey. Keep repeating this process until you get a result well into the negative numbers, but less than -12 as that's the limit of the range. Many people will run subs hotter than Audyssey, but not recommended to go past 0 into the positive numbers. So if you had Audyssey set the level to -9, you could increase the level by say 6, making it -3.

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Interesting suggestion. I set the sub amp volume knob to the 12 o'clock position for both subs and got the settings I mentioned previously. I'd probably have to set the sub amp to about the 3 o'clock position on the 10s, and about the 6 o'clock position on the PB in order to get negative settings in the range you mentioned. But if Audyssey sets the volume levels to even everything out wouldn't I achieve the same result you're suggesting if I just increase my gain by 3 with my receiver? Why would that be any different?
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Interesting suggestion. I set the sub amp volume knob to the 12 o'clock position for both subs and got the settings I mentioned previously. I'd probably have to set the sub amp to about the 3 o'clock position on the 10s, and about the 6 o'clock position on the PB in order to get negative settings in the range you mentioned. But if Audyssey sets the volume levels to even everything out wouldn't I achieve the same result you're suggesting if I just increase my gain by 3 with my receiver? Why would that be any different?
Did you do a sub crawl to make sure the subs are in a good performing position relative to your seating? If you run Audyssey and the results after for the sub are +2, you don't have enough gain coming from the sub's amp. That means the receiver is actually boosting the signal, which you absolutely do not want to happen. If the result is in the negative numbers, as previously mentioned, you can adjust up from the receiver to where you like it, not increasing it past 0 into the positive numbers for the reason I just mentioned.

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I did the crawl for both subs. The optimal position was the same for both. I'll try your suggestion with the 10s. I already like how it sounds but maybe this will make it even better.
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RSL Speedwoofer10s is better

I have a living room that's open to a kitchen area and hall stair similar to the other set up mentioned. Good old two-channel stereo set up with a pair of Kef Q150's and an RSL Speedwoofer 10s. Sub and speakers sound far better than I expected both with CD and streaming audio. I have neighbors nearby and wanted a sub that sounded great at moderate volumes and could get below 30 hz. Speedwoofer solidly performs into the mid 20's and down to about 20 Hz with some reduced response and with the sub at about half volume I have a lot of room to grow. Put it on a iso acoustics sub stand and about two feet from the wall and you can barely hear it outside and no complaints from the neighbors yet if I turn it all the way up I bet I'd get asked to turn it down.

Rythmik LV12F and others go down a little lower and may sound a bit better but nothing in the price range of the RSL is close and I think the RSL beats out the SVS1000PB and the 1000SB doesn't have enough output.

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I have a living room that's open to a kitchen area and hall stair similar to the other set up mentioned. Good old two-channel stereo set up with a pair of Kef Q150's and an RSL Speedwoofer 10s. Sub and speakers sound far better than I expected both with CD and streaming audio. I have neighbors nearby and wanted a sub that sounded great at moderate volumes and could get below 30 hz. Speedwoofer solidly performs into the mid 20's and down to about 20 Hz with some reduced response and with the sub at about half volume I have a lot of room to grow. Put it on a iso acoustics sub stand and about two feet from the wall and you can barely hear it outside and no complaints from the neighbors yet if I turn it all the way up I bet I'd get asked to turn it down.

Rythmikaudio LV12F and others go down a little lower and may sound a bit better but nothing in the price range of the RSL is close and I think the RSL beats out the SVS1000PB and the 1000SB doesn't have enough output.

The Speedwoofer 10s is a pretty solid sub for $400, but it will not have the extension capability or the output, particularly lower in range, compared to the $500 PB-1000 or Monolith THX Select 10. The Monolith 10 is often on sale and was just on sale for $440 last week, so it's right in the same price range and a much better performer than the Speedwoofer. Soundandvision reviewed/measured the 10S and it's -3dB point was 30Hz. At 20Hz the Speedwoofer max output is a shade over 9dB less than the Monolith 10, so it would take three Speedwoofers stacked together to achieve the same max output @20hz as one Monolith 10. The Monolith 10 also plays with lower THD levels.

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... Soundandvision reviewed/measured the 10S and it's +/-3dB point was 30Hz. ...
So much for RSL's claim of "24-200 Hz ± 3db, substantial output down to 20Hz (CEA-2010)".
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So much for RSL's claim of "24-200 Hz ± 3db, substantial output down to 20Hz (CEA-2010)".

Yeah, this has been discussed on here in the past. To be fair to the Speedwoofer 10s, it's a fairly small sub for being ported, slot-ported in the front. I don't think it's considered a bad sub, but probably better suited for music than home theater. It's certainly not a 20Hz sub. At $400 and the Monolith sub lurking close to the same price when on sale, I can't see any reason to buy the Speedwoofer 10S unless I had a specific size limitation that the RSL fit within that other larger subs did not.
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It still makes me chuckle a little when I see how sinister and imposing the Monolith THX 10 driver looks. Looks like the fricken' Darth Vader of drivers. https://www.audioholics.com/subwoofe...ngle.jpg/image
https://www.audioholics.com/subwoofe...ison.jpg/image

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Yeah, this has been discussed on here in the past. To be fair to the Speedwoofer 10s, it's a fairly small sub for being ported, slot-ported in the front. I don't think it's considered a bad sub, but probably better suited for music than home theater. It's certainly not a 20Hz sub. At $400 and the Monolith sub lurking close to the same price when on sale, I can't see any reason to buy the Speedwoofer 10S unless I had a specific size limitation that the RSL fit within that other larger subs did not.
https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...iew-test-bench


It still makes me chuckle a little when I see how sinister and imposing the Monolith THX 10 driver looks. Looks like the fricken' Darth Vader of drivers. https://www.audioholics.com/subwoofe...ngle.jpg/image
https://www.audioholics.com/subwoofe...ison.jpg/image
As you said this has all been discussed before but this was exactly my impression when I compared both the speedwoofer 10s and pb-1000 in my room.

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Speedwoofer and something like the Rythmik LV12F are great music subs that will handle home theatre but other subs will go deeper and play louder. RSL's fit and finish is very good and they paid attention to the details. Monoprice gets mixed reviews usually very good out of the box but some comments on declining performance over time.

Now talking about low Hz something like the Rythmik FV25HP or the SVS PB16-Ultra is going to get you into the teens.
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I found a used PB10, with original box, looks brand new...on Craigslist and I got it for $180. For the size of my theater, it works great. I tried RSL, SB13-ultra (and a free Klipsch spl-150) and I think that after tuning the PB10 sounds really great. Price and condition affect my judgement, I'm sure, but when I tuned it in with my Yamaha 2070 it really kicks in. It's not as in your gut as the SB13 but damn, I love it. It's more than enough for ~1600 cuft theater room.

With the SB-13, you can see the woofer going crazy at low frequencies with a punch that you can feel but you pay for it ($$$). The Klipsch is nice but a 15" sub is WAY too OP for my room. I must sell.
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