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Oh wow!!
just watched Enders Game for the first time since getting the SubMersives ...speechless....I've watched it several times previously with the PB-2000s but this was on another level


There's a massive bass hit at 47 minutes, a shockwave - similar to the LOTR:FOTR where the ring is cut from Sauron's hand - except louder - that shook my whole house. It's been a while since I've heard the coffee cups in the kitchen rattle like that!


I was watching at -7.5dB MV with subs 6dB hot , so the bass was pretty close to Reference Level.


I can totally see why this is a 4.75 star movie at data-Bass
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Level - 5 Stars (113.3dB composite)
Extension - 5 Stars (4Hz)
Dynamics - 5 Stars (29.1dB)
Execution - 4 Stars (by poll)
Overall - 4.75 Stars
Recommendation - Buy (by poll)


Notes: Ender's Game might be the next 5 star movie, although that's certainly up for debate. This one does have a significantly humped graph, and kinda cheats to get that 5 Stars extension rating, but there is legit, unfiltered content down low at 4Hz. The mix is good, and the use of bass is pretty well done, though without any big effects below 20Hz. Honestly, for those of you with big displacement sealed systems, this one is pretty good, but not great. For moderate, commercial ported systems, it'll prolly sound like one of the best mixes ever. Check out the many scenecaps below to find out more. Unfortunately, there is also clipping in the LCR and subwoofer channels that mars the otherwise good sound design. This one isn't as clean and pure as the mix on some of last year's best, and there's a reason it's not nominated for any big sound awards, but it's generally pretty good. Purists will prolly give this a 4 Star execution rating, but it's certainly a crowd pleaser visually and audibly, even if the movie was merely average at best.
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I'm thinking we might have a bass film on our hands, fellas!

First Man with Ryan Gosling

https://youtu.be/O9Y7DTCn7Cc
This looks good! Hopefully its not neutered when it comes to disc. Thanks SuperFist.
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I'm thinking we might have a bass film on our hands, fellas!

First Man with Ryan Gosling

https://youtu.be/O9Y7DTCn7Cc

Captivating trailer, thanks to all those Inception/Transformers-like booms and thwacks.



Those are pretty much a requirement for any outer space/sci-fi movie these days.


I'll see it regardless, I've been waiting for Damien Chazelle to deliver a movie I can wholeheartedly embrace and hopefully this can be it.
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just watched Enders Game for the first time since getting the SubMersives ...speechless....I've watched it several times previously with the PB-2000s but this was on another level
I always find myself watching the shuttle launch scene a couple chapters in as one of my Sub test movies when looking for rattles in the room.
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As usual some of us here saw the graph of Pacific Rim Uprising and commented how disappointing it looks.

But AV enthusiast and YouTuber Spare Change has given the audio 9.7. Check his review and he is mostly right.


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Z Nation on Netflix has got some pretty nice Zombie Bass! But make sure you have Dolby Atmos engaged like I do on the Xbox One, for example. It's way louder than without it.

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Graphs don’t lie. That is why they were made. How a movie sounds in room will vary but the better the graph the better the experience if room and system is setup to take full advantage of it. The first pacific rim had much better bass.

I finally watched black panther and the dynamics are definitely compressed. I run a huge house curve which makes my 5-10hz 20 dB hot(around). It was like watching Maggie’s that were compressing at reference. Sounded good but zero excitement.
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As usual some of us here saw the graph of Pacific Rim Uprising and commented how disappointing it looks.

But AV enthusiast and YouTuber Spare Change has given the audio 9.7. Check his review and he is mostly right.

https://youtu.be/NIgoz-oasnU

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I think the audio and atmos mix will likely be very good. And it will have heaps of 30hz+ bass, which can also be tonnes of fun. I'm looking forward to seeing it


But as @MKtheater said - graphs don't lie - and this definitely doesn't
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Just watched Pacific Rim - Uprising this afternoon.

Damn... Tian Jing is hot! Au naturel or not...

The bass is... Well, did I mention that Tian Jing is hot???

Get it?
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I watched that scene where he mentioned the vibrating from the giant kaju and it felt and sound like 40-50hz, 30hz at best.

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I have Pacific Rim 2 in my Netflix queue. I'm fine slumming it with a 1080p rental.
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I bought it because my 6 year old son loves Pacific Rim and he loved this one. Lots of young people in it. I prefer the first one including Audio.
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I dig the first one and own the UHD disc. But from what I've been hearing PR2 isn't worth a blind buy for me. But that's why we have Netflix.
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Graphs don’t lie. That is why they were made.
I don't think graphs lie, but they don't tell the whole story. There are different types of bass, and they can be used in different ways. Graphs are great, but you definitely need to listen to the mix.
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A Cure for Wellness, Soundmix (and LFE) 5/5!

Watched it last night, liked the movie and the sound was just amazing.

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I don't think graphs lie, but they don't tell the whole story. There are different types of bass, and they can be used in different ways. Graphs are great, but you definitely need to listen to the mix.

Of course, the graphs are more to counter the
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OMFG!!!!! Star Trek: Beyond is the deepest hardest hitting bass movie OF_ALL_TIME!!!! It defo hits down around 7hz in my room!!!!

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Of course, the graphs are more to counter the

Lol, but STB is the hardest hitting movie ever, because it made my 6” HTIB sub make strange noises.

From my perspective, a movie doesn’t need killer bass to get rave audio reviews, but any action movie filtered at 30-40Hz feels truly hollow compared to anything near full bandwidth. I think reaching down around ~20Hz is necessary to make the action on screen feel impactful in any meaningful way. IMO, seeing a star ship crash into a planet only to wonder, where’s the beef, is a big sound engineering fopaux.

Looking at the Pacific Rim 2 graph, I will Redbox it. Nearfield subs really help these anemic movies provide a lot more TR than most people will experience. With two MBM’s, ST:B was just tolerable, as the midbass was solid. But of course, when it comes to ULF, we can’t boost what’s not there.
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fyi...12 Strong Blu-ray is on sale for only $9.99 at Best Buy
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/12-stro...?skuId=6203227

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I don't think graphs lie, but they don't tell the whole story. There are different types of bass, and they can be used in different ways. Graphs are great, but you definitely need to listen to the mix.
True. I bet some here simply look at the graphs and jump into conclusion.

A lot of folks outside the Americas on smaller homes and rooms don't listen at reference levels.

The YouTuber has proper high end gear and is very critical of sound quality. He has listened and given his feedback instead of looking at bass charts.

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fyi...12 Strong Blu-ray is on sale for only $9.99 at Best Buy

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/12-stro...?skuId=6203227



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I was going to Redbox this today, as a few other members said it was good. I swear it was graphed here, but I can’t seem to find it. For only $10, might as well just buy it if there’s any demo worthy material.

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I was going to Redbox this today, as a few other members said it was good. I swear it was graphed here, but I can’t seem to find it. For only $10, might as well just buy it if there’s any demo worthy material.

Thanks!
Definitely a must buy at $10
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I was going to Redbox this today, as a few other members said it was good. I swear it was graphed here, but I can’t seem to find it. For only $10, might as well just buy it if there’s any demo worthy material.


I really enjoyed 12 Strong like others here.

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FYI... Strangers Things Collector's Edition 4K UHD + Blu-ray is on sale at Target today for only $15.00 and the regular Blu-ray + DVD is only $10.00! However, before you decide to purchase the 4K edition, make sure you read Martin Liebman's review of it at Blu-ray.com. Here are some excerpts from it:

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...the UHD has been kind of [email protected]$$&#. There's no HDR or Dolby Vision color accompanying the 2160p picture and there's not even lossless audio. That's right, the UHD doesn't even retain the original's Dolby TrueHD 5.1 lossless track. It's been replaced with a Dolby Digital 5.1 track.

Textural qualities then, of course, should be the winners here. But they're not. The image looks fantastic, but comparing it to the Blu-ray, there's very little, if any at all, perceptible increase in detail. A-B comparing various scenes and stills, including a number of texturally rich shots such as one outside the school at the 13:58 mark of episode one where pavement, the brick façade, and the school's sign, reveal trace improvements in sharpness and crispness, at best, but even conducting a blind test with an assistant (a.k.a. Mrs. Liebman) switching inputs or leaving them alone, it was near impossible to tell with certainty which version was which. This is also making sure any upscaling on the player sending out the Blu-ray signal was turned off (it was). That's also double-checking the proper discs were in the proper players (they were) and even swapping out the BDs that ship with the UHD for the BDs that shipped in the original release, and they're spot-on identical to the point that the player resumed playback on the original disc to where it left off with the ones packed in with the UHD. So, almost no discernible difference here. At all. If one wants to really get into cases, one can find extremely marginal increases in sharpness, such as the cook's watch face when he's sitting across from Eleven at the 26:55 mark in episode one. There's an incredibly slight increase in sharpness on the individual hour ticks. But broad skin and clothing and environment textures? Forget about finding any boost of any significance. Settings triple checked, discs double checked and swapped out where possible and...nothing.

Here's another space for whittling down a numerical score partly for the disc's lack of even carrying over the Dolby TrueHD 5.1 lossless track from the other release, never mind boost it to Dolby Atmos or DTS:X or, heck, even 7.1 lossless. A quick compare [of the Dolby Digital 5.1 audio track] yields, like the video quality, little difference despite a technical "downgrade." If anything the 5.1 track might actually be a mite more intense. The blaring alarms to begin the show inside the compound play with the same fluid, airy, surround intensive saturation. Both offer strong low end support depth, though the lossy 5.1 might be a little more punchy and hard-hitting, believe it or not, though again it's possible that can be attributed to player output variance, encode discrepancies, etc. Dialogue sounds indistinguishable between the two.

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I really enjoyed 12 Strong like others here.
Thanks for the graph!

I stopped into Walmart to pick it up on my way home and didn’t know they stopped price matching Best Buy. Hopefully the sale will be all week.

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@Sekosche , pretty good flick with some good bass, you should enjoy this one.
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It is more of a kiddie version. Action scenes are cool and they even mention Riley Beckett, but never get into any details.

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I read somewhere that they will be re releasing the first 2 Avengers movies in 4K near the release date for Infinity War. I've seen the first 2 but don't own them. I've been waiting on a sale for the Blu Ray's, but don't mind waiting until August for the 4K. The big question for me is whether they'll leave the audio as it is (possibly moving to Atmos?) or whether they'll further neuter the bass to match their more current releases. Does anyone know their track record when it comes to re releasing older titles?
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FYI... Strangers Things Collector's Edition 4K UHD + Blu-ray is on sale at Target today for only $15.00 and the regular Blu-ray + DVD is only $10.00! However, before you decide to purchase the 4K edition, make sure you read Martin Liebman's review of it at Blu-ray.com. Here are some excerpts from it:




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I really enjoyed 12 Strong like others here.
A 15 db low shelf at 20Hz turns this into a real couch shaker if you are running sealed.
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Also, if anyone owns this movie and has height speakers, I have a specific question on how a certain scene sounds on your height speakers. It's between 9:25-9:45 (the full 20 sec) as it gets louder it sounds worse and distorted. Almost like my speakers are messed up or like it's just a nasty mix moment. I've tried changing my crossovers from 80-150 on the heights to see if it would help and it doesn't. If anyone has the movie and the time to try that part out, I'd appreciate it, thanks.
Geo,

Just noticed this part of your post. I remembered the scene and it does get quite loud for the heights. I rewatched and I don't hear anything abnormal as the string instruments build to maximum volume. Sounds clean and clear. My ceiling/top speakers are high output Procella that can produce 113dB continuous with 119dB peaks so maybe your speakers are distorting? What brand and model ceiling speakers do you use? Do you have separate amplification or are you using a receiver? If you have a receiver, maybe it runs out of steam in these channels and is clipping?
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Subs: JTR Captivator S2, JTR Captivator S1, 2 Seaton Submersive (dual 15")
Screen: 2.40:1 Seymour XD Acoustically Transparent, 128" diagonal / 118" wide || Projector: JVC X570/RS420
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