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I scanned through the DTS-MA track on this a bit, quickly, and I think it might be the worst audio mix ever released. The main problem is that all the sounds seem extra compressed so the dynamics are shot. There's no amount of EQ or increase in volume that will help this problem. I doubt the atmos track will be any better. I was hoping the DTS-MA track would be good because I don't think Disney puts much into the height channels so a DTS-MA upscale to atmos might do more for ambiance. This is a real disappointment.

How is Ralph Potts giving this a 90 and states that he only had to increase playback volume by 4dB .... with “no signs of dynamic compression”? Maybe he listens at way below reference, does not enjoy massive bass slam, has his room set up wrong or does not have the sub power for his room size?


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All marvel movies audio has been absolutely garbage other than the hulk and iron man 1. I don't know why you guys expect avengers to be good, I'm expecting crap like the past 10 have been
Doctor Strange was one of the best sound tracks.
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I was worried but then saw the bottle unscathed on the carpet...best to pack all that stufff up into padded boxes now.
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What exactly is BEQ? Is there a tutorial somewhere? i'd be interested in something to BEQ the sound track and remux it into a file but not something that BEQ on the fly, I'd rather bitstream the audio in the end.
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For infinity War i had to boost my MV +16db above my normal listening levels and my SW by +10bd to get a respectable experience. To me that's just freaking mental to be honest. I hope the Lossless tracks are at least boosted to proper levels.

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I do not care if I have to boost the volume 16b, 20db or more. That's what the volume knob is for. Give me a dynamic mix that has all the LFE and be 24db too low, that's just fine. I can turn up the volume +24 db higher. I do care that I have to EQ the bass or boost just the LFE by some amount. That's what the mix should handle. In infinity wars, I suspect that upping the LFE by 10db is going to result in the 30-40hz boomy range being overly boosted and still not give that low excursion needed for ULF.
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How is Ralph Potts giving this a 90 and states that he only had to increase playback volume by 4dB .... with “no signs of dynamic compression”? Maybe he listens at way below reference, does not enjoy massive bass slam, has his room set up wrong or does not have the sub power for his room size?
That review is such a sham. I have been all over that thread and am going back there now.
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I'll be waiting for the disc before commenting on Infinity War which I'm still buying despite the heralds of its doom
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2. Doctor Strange had some good use of Atmos in the theater where I first watched it. Had high hopes for Disney to release it with an Atmos track and lo and behold, decides to give the finger to all home owners. And strong bass? Really?
Sorry but you cannot be taken seriously with this comment. The DTS-MA track on doctor strange is one of the most demo worth tracks. The mid ranges are chest thumping and the LFE is extremely aggressive. The audio is extremely clear and the sounds are just all over the board fantastic. True there's no Atmos track here, but I'll take very good dynamics and fantastic sound quality and let my receiver upscale to atmos over the crappy atmos tracks we are getting any day. I don't see how anyone can possibly criticize Doctor Strange's sound mix and use "rolleyes" and then be taken seriously. Give me a break.
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Sorry but you cannot be taken seriously with this comment. The DTS-MA track on doctor strange is one of the most demo worth tracks. The mid ranges are chest thumping and the LFE is extremely aggressive. The audio is extremely clear and the sounds are just all over the board fantastic. True there's no Atmos track here, but I'll take very good dynamics and fantastic sound quality and let my receiver upscale to atmos over the crappy atmos tracks we are getting any day. I don't see how anyone can possibly criticize Doctor Strange's sound mix and use "rolleyes" and then be taken seriously. Give me a break.
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How is Ralph Potts giving this a 90 and states that he only had to increase playback volume by 4dB .... with “no signs of dynamic compression”? Maybe he listens at way below reference, does not enjoy massive bass slam, has his room set up wrong or does not have the sub power for his room size?


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honestly, Ralph Potts review giving this a 90 actually is giving approval to Disney for this crap mix. Everyone in this thread should be over in his review thread complaining. At the very least reviews should hammer this crap.

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How much is Disney paying you?
WTF are you serious? How any anyone here be taken seriously if they are complaining about Doctor Strange? I can understand complaining about infinity wars that's terrible. But if you're also complaining about Doctor Strange then I can see this whole thing being ignored with the thinking that "those people are unable to be pleased no matter what so dont bother trying". Doctor Strange is demo worthy. I actually cut the first scene and have it in my demo folder.

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WTF are you serious? How any anyone here be taken seriously if they are complaining about Doctor Strange? I can understand complaining about infinity wars that's terrible. But if you're also complaining about Doctor Strange then I can see this whole thing being ignored with the thinking that "those people are unable to be pleased no matter what so dont bother trying". Doctor Strange is demo worthy. I actually cut the first scene and have it in my demo folder.
It's just not that serious. If the man isn't impressed with the mix I'm sure as hell not gonna get at him for it.

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Can the MiniDSP be hooked up and be in pass through only then be activated with specific curves on the fly via command line software (without opening a gui and clicking buttons and hitting apply)? If all this can be automated I'd be interested. Otherwise its a hard pass.
Not sure that's possible but don't think so. JRiver can be used in a similar way with "Tags" for each piece of content. This is how I BEQ but you have to convert the Bitstream to LPCM to do the BEQ or any DSP correcting within the software. That is the upside of using an external DSP like the Mini is keeping the Bitstream entact. Every method of BEQ has is downsides but the benefits of BEQ are well worth it.

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Thanks biga, that's a really informative post! I will take your advice and do plenty of reading before deciding how to proceed. Keen to BEQ those movies where the audio needs a boost on the low end!
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Doctor Strange is demo worthy. I actually cut the first scene and have it in my demo folder.
Interesting. I've never watched it on disc. It's not one of my favorite movies, but I'm always in for demo audio. I may rethink, since it was a fun popcorn movie.

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This really is a pleasant surprise from an otherwise average movie... the bass is vamptastic!!! The gunshots are chest thumping visceral, the LFE resonates in deep dark places and the Dolby Atmos is detailed with active imaging all around and above the soundstage.

Underworld: Blood Wars 4K UHD Dolby Atmos Bass Graph
Thanks for the heads-up. I was waiting for the right time to buy the whole Underworld collection. It's just a shame the juicy stuff, again, is on the ATMOS track that ISN'T included on the regular BD.
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Was thinking about getting into the Purge movies with the new one upcoming. Does anyone know how they are for bass? I couldn't find them graphed here or in the d-b thread.
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We should thank Disney for training the sound mixers of the future. I see quite some people in this thread are getting pretty good at "fixing" audio mixes.

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Can the MiniDSP be hooked up and be in pass through only then be activated with specific curves on the fly via command line software (without opening a gui and clicking buttons and hitting apply)? If all this can be automated I'd be interested. Otherwise its a hard pass.
I see no reason why you couldn't simply use the miniDSP 2x4HD to create 4 separate general house curves
Keep one relatively neutral (bypass) and make each subsequent preset more aggressive, that could be selected on the fly using the remote.
No need to even enter the GUI at all. (someone please correct me if I'm mistaken)



Oblivion BEQ for more ULF...




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Nice! will be interesting to see how they interact with each other at the MLP. After Atmos, my next upgrade will almost certainly be some nearfield subs
Last weekend we ran Dead Pool (for about the 5th time) and something felt a bit "off",
The near fields were kicking the crap out of us just fine but the room just didn't feel "full".
Noticeable lack of Weight no matter how loud I turned it up;

It wasn't until after, while shutting things down for the night that I realized the Funk's were both turned off LOL!

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Last weekend we ran Dead Pool (for about the 5th time)
Man, I love your passion for movies. I understand why you don't mind paying retail price for discs: you really get your money's worth. In your case it's actually cheaper than going to the cinema, and undoubtedly you get a much better A/V experience. : thumbs up:

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I see no reason why you couldn't simply use the miniDSP 2x4HD to create 4 separate general house curves
Keep one relatively neutral and make each subsequent preset more aggressive, that could be selected on the fly using the remote.
No need to even enter the GUI at all. (someone please correct me if I'm mistaken)





My new 2x4HD and IR Remote arrives Thursday, guess I'll find out next weekend.

If it can be made to work like I "think", it should be similar to using my 3 custom gamma curves
that I've loaded into my JVC for optimum HDR performance (for 1000nit, 2000nit, 4000nit Titles)
This might be a good solution. Thank you. I'm currently experimenting with something at the file level. It goes:
1) Eac3to.exe to decode the audio to multiple mono wav files.
2) Audacity (or in my case cool edit) to EQ and boost the LFE channel and save the wav.
3) Wav to AC3 encoder to generate a 5.1 AC3 640kbit file from the resultant wavs.

The downside is that:
-Loss of the 2 rear surround channels as wav to ac3 can only generate 5.1
-Bitrate reduction to 640kbit.

Still if this method was a super big success and I think I'd use it a lot I'd just buy the DTS encoder.
This method won't work on Atmos tracks as you'd lose all the positional metadata.

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Ok I got this done and I'm pretty happy with the results. I did the following steps:
1) Eac3to.exe to decode the audio to multiple mono wav files.
2) Load the LFE into audacity. I boosted at 18hz 8 db with parametric EQ at 1.0 width. I did not boost the LFE volume, when I tried even 3db the result felt over powering. This 8db boost seemed good.
3) I loaded the left and right surrounds and boosted those tracks by 6db. The entire movie feels like nothing going on back there and this helped some.
4) Wav to AC3 encoder to generate a 5.1 AC3 640kbit file from the resultant wavs.
5) I muxed this into the bluray mkv from my original rip from disk. I made the new track default and left the original DTS track in place in case its ever needed.

Tested several scenes and its actually pretty ok now. Not great, but good. Hulk fight with Thanos at beginning is good. The rumble at the beginning from the Marvel intro into the intro scene is now good and shakes the room. (At even 3db bass boost, this was so over powering it pressurized my ears and felt uncomfortable). The scenes in Wakanda with all the ships flying around now has sound coming from the rear and seems much better.

Movie is now watchable.
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Man, I love your passion for movies. I understand why you don't mind paying retail price for discs: you really get your money's worth. In your case it's actually cheaper than going to the cinema, and undoubtedly you get a much better A/V experience. : thumbs up:
Every Time a new piece of hardware or calibration software offers an improvement in audio or video performance,
every favorite title gets a replay, keep adding more toys and the cycle restarts again and again.

I haven't rented a movie since DVD and Blockbuster were all the rage ...15 years ago LOL

Since building my own HT (going on 10 years now) I can count my trips to a cinema on one hand.


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Last weekend we ran Dead Pool (for about the 5th time) and something felt a bit "off",
The near fields were kicking the crap out of us just fine but the room just didn't feel "full".
Noticeable lack of Weight no matter how loud I turned it up;

It wasn't until after, while shutting things down for the night that I realized the Funk's were both turned off LOL!
Omg!!! Haha!!! That's happened to me. I was watching Lego Ninjago with my 3 year old and I'm thinking "where's the bass?"
What was AVS thinking? What the heck is so special about this flick? little bass and lack of dynamics and surround activity.

I check my Integra Processor, my subs, all plugged in.

30 mins go by and I think I blew up my subs somehow since all I do is bass demos. Lol

Then.... I see the Monster power centre LEDs for half my stuff is off. My little 3 year old monster has a habit of pressing buttons and he must have pressed it. It shut down my subs and my amp for the rear channels.
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This will get you started. PM me if you want to know more about other ways to implement BEQ than those mentioned in that thread.

There is a way to BEQ and then remux that audio file into the content but I have not gotten that far and can't say exactly what software to use just yet, though I think this is where I may look in the future as well so I can maintain bitstreaming/Atmos. I can try to go ahead and find out all the details if you need. Like I say just PM me for more brother.
I would love to know this, anyone know how to do it? maybe could upload a short remuxed clip for me to try before I decide pull the trigger on a minidsp

by the way, maybe someone of you could start a BEQ thread on avs here @aron7awol @biga6761 @SuperFist @PioManiac
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I see no reason why you couldn't simply use the miniDSP 2x4HD to create 4 separate general house curves
Keep one relatively neutral and make each subsequent preset more aggressive, that could be selected on the fly using the remote.
No need to even enter the GUI at all. (someone please correct me if I'm mistaken)
Yup, you can do that. I do it with my 10x10HD. Even have those 4 presets programmed into my Harmony remote
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