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Ok I got this done and I'm pretty happy with the results. I did the following steps:
1) Eac3to.exe to decode the audio to multiple mono wav files.
2) Load the LFE into audacity. I boosted at 18hz 8 db with parametric EQ at 1.0 width. I did not boost the LFE volume, when I tried even 3db the result felt over powering. This 8db boost seemed good.
3) I loaded the left and right surrounds and boosted those tracks by 6db. The entire movie feels like nothing going on back there and this helped some.
4) Wav to AC3 encoder to generate a 5.1 AC3 640kbit file from the resultant wavs.
5) I muxed this into the bluray mkv from my original rip from disk. I made the new track default and left the original DTS track in place in case its ever needed.

Tested several scenes and its actually pretty ok now. Not great, but good. Hulk fight with Thanos at beginning is good. The rumble at the beginning from the Marvel intro into the intro scene is now good and shakes the room. (At even 3db bass boost, this was so over powering it pressurized my ears and felt uncomfortable). The scenes in Wakanda with all the ships flying around now has sound coming from the rear and seems much better.

Movie is now watchable.
I've been doing this with Audacity as well, but I have been using DTS-HD Master Audio Suite so I can get DTS-HD MA 7.1.

I have to ask you, though... how are you able to view below 20Hz in Audacity?

I know Linear Frequency Scale shows 0Hz, but the scaling is so small, there's no real proof that it's affecting <20Hz frequencies.

I've been trying to find some software that can for sure boost those ULF frequencies and for it to be measurable, but I can't locate any at the moment.

UPDATE: I'm thinking we need to bring this BEQ discussion into a separate thread pronto!
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I've been doing this with Audacity as well, but I have been using DTS-HD Master Audio Suite so I can get DTS-HD MA 7.1.

I have to ask you, though... how are you able to view below 20Hz in Audacity?

I know Linear Frequency Scale shows 0Hz, but the scaling is so small, there's no real proof that it's affecting <20Hz frequencies.

I've been trying to find some software that can for sure boost those ULF frequencies and for it to be measurable, but I can't locate any at the moment.
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I've been doing this with Audacity as well, but I have been using DTS-HD Master Audio Suite so I can get DTS-HD MA 7.1.

I have to ask you, though... how are you able to view below 20Hz in Audacity?

I know Linear Frequency Scale shows 0Hz, but the scaling is so small, there's no real proof that it's affecting <20Hz frequencies.

I've been trying to find some software that can for sure boost those ULF frequencies and for it to be measurable, but I can't locate any at the moment.

UPDATE: I'm thinking we need to bring this BEQ discussion into a separate thread pronto!
I use cooledit which handles below 20hz just fine. I really don't know for sure that Audacity really works for this. I was considering buying the DTS-HD Master Audio Suite for this also. But I think I might see if there's a TrueHD encoder out there that's free. That should be just as good. It'd be nice to retain the full 7 audio tracks.
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Last weekend we ran Dead Pool (for about the 5th time) and something felt a bit "off",
The near fields were kicking the crap out of us just fine but the room just didn't feel "full".
Noticeable lack of Weight no matter how loud I turned it up;

It wasn't until after, while shutting things down for the night that I realized the Funk's were both turned off LOL!
Man, thats real funked up !
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Man, thats real funked up !
Looking back now, I'm pretty certain I would have known what was up right away,
had I not given up my sweet spot center seat to my G/F. (almost never happens)

Sitting just outside my usual MLP must have let me dismiss the change to being outside the sweet spot.
Pretty sure that will never happen again LOL!
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How far is the sub from your MLP?

BTW, right up against a wall is usually a pretty terrible place for sound. You suffer from reflections off the back wall and muddy bass.
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Interesting. I had noticed both with Tomb Raider and Rampage that the Atmos (watched as Dolby TrueHD) was a better mix than the DTS-MA track. I find that interesting because its has been my non-scientific opinion that DTS-MA mixes were superior to Dobly TrueHD. I guess in the future if a disc includes both Atmos and DTS-MA I will chose Atmos and let it down convert to Dolby TrueHD for me as it would appear the sound is better.

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So a few days ago I got to see an early screening of The Meg! It was a pretty good movie. The audience completely ruined it for me tho as many people were talking loudly like it's the thing to do smh. On top of that I had a crying baby behind me who's parents NEVER took it outside like the theater staff briefed the audience to do prior to the start.

The movie itself was a lil cheesy but with lots of humor. Pop up scares that had the audience jumping, except for me and my 10 yr old daughter. I kept asking her, "Did that part scare you like it scared them?" Nope, we were both unfazed.

I've watched many movies in this same theater room before and have heard some pretty good bass ones. I can't say The Meg brings the bass for certain because I was already annoyed, the volume could have been lower than usual, AND I've gotten used to my lil 750^3 room with 3 12's and an 18".

My daughter ended up liking the movie a lot and I'm excited to try it at home as I'm sure this movie will bring the goods (or at least hoping it does) in my room.

I haven't seen a graph for it yet but if anyone has access to it I'd be curious to see what it shows.
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The audience completely ruined it for me tho as many people were talking loudly like it's the thing to do smh. On top of that I had a crying baby behind me who's parents NEVER took it outside like the theater staff briefed the audience to do prior to the start.
I feel your pain. I'm growing increasingly much less tolerant to people at the theaters. The last three times I've gone there were people who were kicking the back of my seat. In one of those occasions it got so bad that I had to get up and change my seat. And yes, you have people chatting, looking at their phones with max brightness, commenting or spoiling what you're seeing on screen, laughing out (or screaming) loudly randomly, people getting up and blocking the screen...Jesus!

It's one of the reasons I'm doubting if I should go watch The Equalizer 2 or just wait for the home release.

Or maybe I'm just getting cranky?
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I feel your pain. I'm growing increasingly much less tolerant to people at the theaters. The last three times I've gone there were people who were kicking the back of my seat. In one of those occasions it got so bad that I had to get up and change my seat. And yes, you have people chatting, looking at their phones with max brightness, commenting or spoiling what you're seeing on screen, laughing out (or screaming) loudly randomly, people getting up and blocking the screen...Jesus!

It's one of the reasons I'm doubting if I should go watch The Equalizer 2 or just wait for the home release.

Or maybe I'm just getting cranky?
I totally agree as well! The last time I went to the movies was over a year ago with my then 3 year old son to see Captain Underpants. It was his first movie theater experience and luckily being a smaller, local theater it wasn't crowded with jibber jabberers etc.
I'd much rather wait for a new release to watch at home rather than see it in the theater. I can pause, grab a beer or snacks at my leisure and bask in 4k/hdr goodness and my 5.2.4 sound.
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LOL! great topic!

When my seat gets kicked....


Just the thought of going to commercial cinema makes me cringe


Last 3 Movies I went to were mostly to avoid spoilers while waiting for a Home 4K/UHD or Bluray release...


Star Wars: The Force Awakens

Crappy 3D, house lights too bright, contrast and black levels were garbage compared to home.
Squealers, seat kickers, and a very large woman beside me who took a seat and a half,
and must have bathed in cheap perfume right before he show. <gah! I couldnt even taste the popcorn >

BladeRunner 2049 was a little better!, near the end of its run, Sunday matinee at 1:00pm
...So the 200+ capacity room only had a about a dozen people, but I still think my Picture and Audio is better at home
I can also buy enough popcorn for my own commercial grade popper to last a month for the cost of two large bags there.
Plus I can have a Double Jack&Coke at home for less than their watered down fountain drink.

Most recently, The Black Panther
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included meal, corn and cocktails served to your seat, large wide comfy recline seats.
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Only way I will ever go back now!

That's the only 3 I can remember in the last decade
...might have been the odd chick flick in there for date night
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I find that interesting because its has been my non-scientific opinion that DTS-MA mixes were superior to Dobly TrueHD.
Non-scientific or not - other than volume level (TrueHD is often -4dB down compared to the DTS-MA version) for standard 5.1 or 7.1 material they are identical. The codecs are just methods to encode the PCM masters, they aren't mixed differently.


Atmos however is a different ball of wax and they have encouraged sound mixers to mix full range sound to all channels.

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LOL! great topic!

When my seat gets kicked....
Lol!! I'm stealing that gif. VERY accurate!

Well, if I had your HT and room, you bet I wouldn't go to the theater anymore . And quite frankly, the audio experience at the cinema is consistently getting very disappointing, so there's less and less reasons to pay a ticket for a movie.
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I rented Truth or Dare today and so far it has some decent rumblings. This is a teen horror scream flick so don’t expect Oscar performances, but worth the rent imo!


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Talking about cinema experiences, I used to bring an employee with me all the time to Imax and she would start talking, laughing loud, and texting. I had to kick her out! She would also fall asleep and start snoring! Lets just say I go alone now.

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Non-scientific or not - other than volume level (TrueHD is often -4dB down compared to the DTS-MA version) for standard 5.1 or 7.1 material they are identical. The codecs are just methods to encode the PCM masters, they aren't mixed differently.


Atmos however is a different ball of wax and they have encouraged sound mixers to mix full range sound to all channels.
That's interesting about the -4db. Also interesting about it starting as an Atmos mix because my wife even commented how the Dobly TrueHD (that was downmixed from Atmos) sounded better than the DTS-MA so you know its saying something that she noticed! So I guess the lesson learned is if your track options are Dobly TrueHD vs DTS-MA go with DTS-MA, if its Atmos vs DTS-MA go Atmos and downmix to Dolby TrueHD (and obviously go Atmos if you have an Atmos setup which I do not!)

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My perception also favors the Atmos, (which goes to Dolby True-HD by default on my older avr) over the DTS-HD MSTR. Good example (for me) was Kong. Watched it the second time a while ago and thought something was wrong with my set up, later realizing the audio was set to DTS-HD-MSTR. Switched back to Dolby True-HD and all the dynamics were back.

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That's interesting about the -4db. Also interesting about it starting as an Atmos mix because my wife even commented how the Dobly TrueHD (that was downmixed from Atmos) sounded better than the DTS-MA so you know its saying something that she noticed! So I guess the lesson learned is if your track options are Dobly TrueHD vs DTS-MA go with DTS-MA, if its Atmos vs DTS-MA go Atmos and downmix to Dolby TrueHD (and obviously go Atmos if you have an Atmos setup which I do not!)
I hear you. I picked up Ready Player One on 3D. This movie should be viewed in 3D. But the damn track is DTS MA, not the Atmos that's included with the regular Blu-ray.
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I started the X-Men series with my kids a few weeks ago. We're at 'First Class' now but I was wondering if any of them (starting from this one and up) are worth the slightly higher 4K price?
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Been slowly watching the Harry Potter collection I got on Prime Day. The 5th one has some surprising good bass. In particular right around the 1:23:00 mark. Had to pop in before I forgot. Now back to the movie.

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Is there any reason recent 4K releases with the Atmos track seem to default to something other than the Atmos track? This drives me nuts. I thought non Atmos receivers could play an Atmos track but only use the 5.1/7.1 parts of it?


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Anyone got info on the audio track to this new DC Comic The Death Of Superman 4K UHD?

It's on Amazon and releases tomorrow. $28 for the 4k and $18 for the BD.
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Anyone got info on the audio track to this new DC Comic The Death Of Superman 4K UHD?

It's on Amazon and releases tomorrow. $28 for the 4k and $18 for the BD.
Save your money and just buy the Blu-ray...

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The 4K disc: Animation tends to fare quite well on 4K Ultra HD, even if the original source wasn’t created in true 4K resolution. That’s the case here, where even the relatively rudimentary DC animation style scrubs up nicely in this 2K upscale, with the addition of HDR giving it some welcome extra oomph, especially in darker scenes. Sonically, like the other DC Universe animated films DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 is the order of the day. While a step up to Atmos or DTS:X would have been pleasing, this mix delivers able thumps and whomps where required. While no extras are included on the 4K disc, the accompanying Blu-ray contains two bonus cartoons, a featurette, plus a sneak preview of the concluding part of The Death of Superman.

https://stack.com.au/film-tv/movie-r...tra-hd-review/
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So I guess the lesson learned is if your track options are Dobly TrueHD vs DTS-MA go with DTS-MA
TrueHD & DTS-MA have identical audio quality, you just need to raise the volume a bit.
However TrueHD has more options such as late night and better downmix/upmix options. If you have a 7.1 setup, DTS will just clone the surrounds to the back channels, where Dolby actually steers rear information to the back channels.
TrueHD is also a much more efficient codec and takes up less space and bandwidth on disc.
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While the extreme bassheads will still feel slighted by this Dolby Atmos rendition of The Avengers, I tend to feel like it had good substance down low, even though I had to increase the volume levels by 5dB. The destruction of the Shield facility created a palpable rumble of the surroundings, including my couch. The added object-based imaging activity, I feel, is worthy of the upgrade, but please take that with a grain a salt and keep in mind that I am a Dolby Atmos-aholic! I have to admit, however, after increasing the DTS-HD MA levels of Infinity War to mega-size proportions, this in comparison feels a bit lacking, as would many films.


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