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To me a boosted low end sounds better and the ear is more sensitive as the frequency goes up. So 115db at 100hz might sound loud to you were as 115db at 20hz would not sound that loud but you would/should feel it.
^^^^THIS!!!

Oblivion with BEQ boosted bottom end, AVR MV at -14 (so not loud at all)

But that BASSSSSS

Coming in Hot!

LS 22Hz Q0.9 4.3dB x 4 (17.2dB total)
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I don’t recall oblivion looking like that. It did not roll off that early.

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I don’t recall oblivion looking like that. It did not roll off that early.
That's the 4K/UHD/ATMOS version,

MrGrey's DTS-MA 7.1 version...


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I'll throw a well-deserved hat in for Hereditary.

Really did not expect the LFE this movie delivered. It's not house-shaking bass, it's dark, mellow, ominous bass that just brings a sense of dread into the film unlike any I'd heard in recent memory. The entire 2nd half of the movie has the subwoofer constantly engaged. Highly recommended for those of you who like the genera.
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Ahhhhh.....back to being what defines a great sounding and action packed movie!...Bass spot on, active surrounds...Dead Pool 2


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Like a true boss. I'm sure you must learning a lot on bass doing things "manually".
I've learned a few things. The most important one tho is the need for dual of the SAME subs! Mixing will do if you have no choice but if you really wanna have things setup properly it's a lot easier when they're both the same. I lost my flat response today (from 20-70hz and I spent hours messing with these things trying to figure out how to get it back. I finally did but man was it a headache and a pain! I'm probably gonna end up selling both subs in the near future...
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Back to movies, if you guys haven't seen the blu-ray of Godzilla, you need to! The train track Muto scene is amazing! It's gets pretty quiet so all you hear is bass and surrounds. Great demo material!

I'll be watching John Wick 1 tonight, only seen it once and that was back in theaters. I got the 4k so I'm excited!
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Godzilla is already well known.

That scale was quite a bit different and throws it off for me. I am used to the data-bass charts which created them from the get go.

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I lost my flat response today (from 20-70hz and I spent hours messing with these things trying to figure out how to get it back. I finally did but man was it a headache and a pain! I'm probably gonna end up selling both subs in the near future...
That I was wondering. But I thought you were taking notes before doing any changes, like doing a spreadsheet or something.

But, why do you want to sell your subs? Wanna get something better, I suppose.

Btw, I love Godzilla. I need to rewatch it again soon. Very nice sound design.

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You never know. I "discovered" Godzilla just last year. Well, maybe in this thread everyone already has watched it.


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Jesus Christ on a cracker. I just finished Hereditary and it scared the ever loving crap out of me. Super creepy movie with outstanding use of surround / LFE. Mother! or The Killing of a Sacred Deer are feel-good romps by comparison. Wow

Also rented Infinity War but I need to take a minute to gather my thoughts after watching Hereditary.


Uh. Other recent movies...

Upgrade is a solid B+ movie. Actually pretty funny.

Deadpool 2 was way better than I was expecting. Not great, but an order of magnitude better than the first one imho.

Super Troopers 2. Loved the first. Not so much with this one.


If you liked “Mother!” but thought it wasn’t creepy enough, check out “Hereditary”. I go out of my way to watch every horror movie ever made (I was literally born on Halloween) and this one actually had my heart rate up. 10/10 holy $#[email protected] wtf did I just watch

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My sister, which is an avid horror fan, saw it in theaters and gave it her highest recommendation. I've been keeping an eye on it since then. I'm glad to hear the audio is top-notch!

And I saw Mother! and it was weird enough for me. But I definitely need to check out Hereditary!

Edit: BTW, it's a shame that it "only" has a 5.1 mix. Did you watch the 4k version? If so, is it worth the upgrade?

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I’m probably going to get ridiculed here but I didn’t love Hereditary . The soundtrack was extremely well done as well as the picture quality. The movie had great atmosphere and acting but it never had me in that engaged/scared mode that I look for in horror movies. I may give it another spin to see if I missed something.
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I’m probably going to get ridiculed here but I didn’t love Hereditary . The soundtrack was extremely well done as well as the picture quality. The movie had great atmosphere and acting but it never had me in that engaged/scared mode that I look for in horror movies. I may give it another spin to see if I missed something.
It's ok. I didn't love The Killing Of A Sacred Deer, for example. But I have the feeling I'll love this one...or maybe not. Truth is, I'm really picky when it comes to horror. I'm much more forgiving with action/superhero flicks.

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Oblivion (2013) M83 Score Track Bass Graph | Dolby TruHD 5.1 96KHZ

I took out my BD of Oblivion and updated the graphs. the newer Spectrum Lab software
i used a while back skewed the levels so we no longer go beyond version 2.7b22.




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My sister, which is an avid horror fan, saw it in theaters and gave it her highest recommendation. I've been keeping an eye on it since then. I'm glad to hear the audio is top-notch!

And I saw Mother! and it was weird enough for me. But I definitely need to check out Hereditary!

Edit: BTW, it's a shame that it "only" has a 5.1 mix. Did you watch the 4k version? If so, is it worth the upgrade?

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Yeah, it’s the best horror movie I’ve seen in decades. Genuinely unsettling.

I rented the regular Blu-ray. The effects worked fine in 5.1.

Watching Infinity War now. Kind of a yawn fest in comparison and whoever mixed the audio royally missed the mark. I’m listening 10dB louder than usual and some scenes are still too quiet.

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I’m probably going to get ridiculed here but I didn’t love Hereditary . The soundtrack was extremely well done as well as the picture quality. The movie had great atmosphere and acting but it never had me in that engaged/scared mode that I look for in horror movies. I may give it another spin to see if I missed something.
You definitely won't get ridiculed by me as Hereditary wasn't scary for me, either, but no "horror" movie really is for me nowadays, as I've explained before in this thread. I was actually laughing throughout the movie, because I thought it was rather comical. But only when I wasn't pissed off and playing the blame game!

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Is there a graph for Annabelle Creation? I am about to give it a spin tomorrow!
I'd say you'll probably prefer Annabelle: Creation like I did... it has a pretty good jump scare, creep factor going for it and the Atmos is perfect for the genre. I'll just reproduce my post from earlier this year as I made a graph for it:

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Annabelle: Creation is a real treat, guys!

It's movies done like this that make me realize the horror genre isn't dead to me, yet! This was fantastic as the bass jumps at you in fits and starts and it has me convinced that every horror movie should be mastered in Dolby Atmos! I mean, I know IT was as well as a few others, but many of them don't do it well... this does! For example, my cousin and his wife watched like 20 min of it and that was enough for them! However, she's coming over to watch Rogue One today as she's a true Star Wars fan, but I think I'll surprise her by throwing this bad boy on first and turn up the dial 3-4dB more than normal!

I actually have created a lot of graphs that aren't linked on the front page that MrGrey didn't notice, but I don't really mind since this is his thread and I don't want to intrude or presume.

@MrGrey - if you wish to add the graphs I've created that aren't linked on the front page, go to my Bass Frequency Graphs Album. However, beware there are quite a few redundancies between mine and yours as I created some without realizing you'd made them and/or mine were created and posted and then later you regraphed them as well.
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Yep, I tried adding a house curve using minidsp over lunch today. I only have 1 sub and everything I didn't boost was still normal. This is with DEQ enabled and a 6db low shelf at 40hz. I tested with bladerunner 2049 and war of the worlds and I must say, I enjoyed it. My room is large so I usually get very little tactile response but I noticed considerable more with the house curve and the sub seemed to be able to keep up. Getting new furniture (and crowsons) at the end of the week though so I'll likely be mixing things up then.
You are using REW to set the target for the curve and loading the file into the miniDSP right? It makes it almost like auto setup.
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I’m probably going to get ridiculed here but I didn’t love Hereditary . The soundtrack was extremely well done as well as the picture quality. The movie had great atmosphere and acting but it never had me in that engaged/scared mode that I look for in horror movies. I may give it another spin to see if I missed something.
I agree. I saw Hereditary at the theater and thought it was just ok. Nothing new on the table. As far as scary there was nothing scary about it. I am immune to this type of genre since I've watched scary movies all my life as this is my favorite genre. I will rent it and watch it again simply because my wife wants to watch it and for the audio. That's my opinion on this movie but I respect how other people feel about it.

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You are using REW to set the target for the curve and loading the file into the miniDSP right? It makes it almost like auto setup.
I tried using REW to create minidsp filters and it was really simple. Perhaps it's an issue of me not understanding what to input (I left pretty much everything at default) but the end graph (after I loaded the filters into my minidsp) was slightly worse than what I get from Audy. My nulls were about 5db worse in comparison.
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I want to apologise to @PioManiac , i didn't know that living so close the the USA prices will be that high.

On the other side, i didn't get the android dev job, because they never called me Q_Q. So i ditched android for now, and i'm working on the web app i talked about like 50 pages ago, on my free time, which is like all day, everyday.

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I tried using REW to create minidsp filters and it was really simple. Perhaps it's an issue of me not understanding what to input (I left pretty much everything at default) but the end graph (after I loaded the filters into my minidsp) was slightly worse than what I get from Audy. My nulls were about 5db worse in comparison.
If you have nulls you'll need to fix those with multiple subs and phase or a single sub it's all placement.

As for REW you adjust the target. Then move the measurement on to the target, make sure the measurement is mostly above the target as it will not do a ton of boost but cuts are ok. Set the max boost gain. Then hit match to target. Then get filters etc.

Because nulls aren't fixed with EQ if it's worse it's only because you tried boosting around it and of course the null wont move.
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If you have nulls you'll need to fix those with multiple subs and phase or a single sub it's all placement.

As for REW you adjust the target. Then move the measurement on to the target, make sure the measurement is mostly above the target as it will not do a ton of boost but cuts are ok. Set the max boost gain. Then hit match to target. Then get filters etc.

Because nulls aren't fixed with EQ if it's worse it's only because you tried boosting around it and of course the null wont move.
They aren't super bad dips. Ideally I would have a 2nd sub but another $1500 doesn't seem worth it at this point because I feel the dips I have are fairly minor. Maybe I don't know what I'm missing out on though?

Here's what I'm talking about... audy vs minidsp-hd

The dips are slightly worse with what REW came up with for mini-dsp filters. I didn't add any custom filters myself to try to fix anything.
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They aren't super bad dips. Ideally I would have a 2nd sub but another $1500 doesn't seem worth it at this point because I feel the dips I have are fairly minor. Maybe I don't know what I'm missing out on though?

Here's what I'm talking about... audy vs minidsp-hd

The dips are slightly worse with what REW came up with for mini-dsp filters. I didn't add any custom filters myself to try to fix anything.
That makes me wonder if bass traps and acoustic paneling could remedy that.
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They aren't super bad dips. Ideally I would have a 2nd sub but another $1500 doesn't seem worth it at this point because I feel the dips I have are fairly minor. Maybe I don't know what I'm missing out on though?

Here's what I'm talking about... audy vs minidsp-hd

The dips are slightly worse with what REW came up with for mini-dsp filters. I didn't add any custom filters myself to try to fix anything.
The responses look equally in need of work... One is just on a different target than the other. Id suspect the minidsp target was set too low so it couldn't apply the boost needed to hit the target.

Do you have the crossover set at 80hz? If so that's probably why the dip at 80hz exist. Sub distance isn't right. Audyessy often gets it wrong. You can adjust distance and see how that null responds.
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The responses look equally in need of work... One is just on a different target than the other. Do you have the crossover set at 80hz? If so that's probably why the dip at 80hz exist. Sub distance isn't right. Audyessy often gets it wrong. You can adjust distance and see how that null responds.
Thanks for the tips. My new furniture is due to come in Friday so I'll have to mess around with the distance when that happens. I'll be doing a lot of tweaking to get things as good as possible. I'm excited to see how the graph changes with different furniture. New furniture is straight compared to curved and leather compared to fabric. I love seeing this stuff

If I can get mini-dsp coming up with a better graph I would prefer that. I have some crowson's coming Friday as well so if I could do some room correction before I run Audy, I'll be able to get a more pure signal to my crowson's which would be ideal.

I'm not in front of my receiver right now, but I thought the sub was set at 120hz if I remember right. I have my FLR set at 60hz crossover (but these graphs are sub only).
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