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It is because they are portaying him as a baby and afraid, weaker than Thor and maybe even Iron Man since he did better against thanos with more stones! Doesn't make any sense.
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I think you'll find that the Hulk is a lot more powerful in Avengers 4. He got humbled and he'll be back stronger when he finally decides to.
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That whole scene between Thanos and Hulk is absolutely retarded...

The Hulk can catch missiles with his hands. He's freakin QUICK... Watch that scene again and focus on the hulks movements. They did a GREAT job making people focus on Thanos because everyone was interested in what he could do.

I mean, I get the point they were trying to make, but it's clear the Hulk was fighting in invisible space molasses in that scene.
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Also Thanos did hit Hulk with nerve shot when he started fighting back. That type of nerve shot can cause partial temporary paralysis on a part of the body. That made Hulk much slower in that sequence.

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I wanted to share some more quick impressions of my continous exploration of my new sub. I decided to give Kong: Skull Island a spin. All the excitement from the first day was gone. Like everyone's first reaction to an underwhelming experience my first instinct was "maybe I accidentally tuened down the gain on my sub" or "perhaps the cable is loose" or something like that. Everything was fine. Sure the movie had its rumbles and room shaking moments, but I was never wowed at any moment.

So I sit in the dark wondering "What the hell..., unsure if I should try another movie. Then I pick this little animated movie that I had already watched but was unimpressed (I was sub-less at the time); this little movie is called 9. Almost instantly that sense of dread and amazement camr back. This movie is really brutal!! It kicked the crap out of K:SI with ease. The power and depth in this movie if off the charts, only equaled at times by the best moments of GI Joe: Retailation. The bass range was first rate, and so was the dynamic range. Sound design was also top notch.

It's hard to believe an obscure animated movie could best in such manner a millions-of-dollars modern blockbuster. I guess all the budget in K:SI went to the CGI, which was fantastic. I'd rate K:SI a 3.0 bass movie and overall mix, while 9 gets a 5.0 on all departments. I guess that's the difference between a reference track and just a good one. Both Retailation and John Wick were far superior audio experiences than K:SI.
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Nice attempts to explain Hulk worthlessness, but those explanations don't hold up. But the whole movie is riddled with such inconsistencies that there's no point in discussing them. I didn't like the movie because of that, and I have a highly developed resistance to absurdities in action/fantasy movies. Just my opinion.
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I wanted to share some more quick impressions of my continous exploration of my new sub. I decided to give Kong: Skull Island a spin. All the excitement from the first day was gone. Like everyone's first reaction to an underwhelming experience my first instinct was "maybe I accidentally tuened down the gain on my sub" or "perhaps the cable is loose" or something like that. Everything was fine. Sure the movie had its rumbles and room shaking moments, but I was never wowed at any moment.

So I sit in the dark wondering "What the hell..., unsure if I should try another movie. Then I pick this little animated movie that I had already watched but was unimpressed (I was sub-less at the time); this little movie is called 9. Almost instantly that sense of dread and amazement camr back. This movie is really brutal!! It kicked the crap out of K:SI with ease. The power and depth in this movie if off the charts, only equaled at times by the best moments of GI Joe: Retailation. The bass range was first rate, and so was the dynamic range. Sound design was also top notch.

It's hard to believe an obscure animated movie could best in such manner a millions-of-dollars modern blockbuster. I guess all the budget in K:SI went to the CGI, which was fantastic. I'd rate K:SI a 3.0 bass movie and overall mix, while 9 gets a 5.0 on all departments. I guess that's the difference between a reference track and just a good one. Both Retailation and John Wick were far superior audio experiences than K:SI.
Please don't take this the wrong way, as I'm happy for you that you are loving your sub, but trust me, Kong: Skull Island is an epic bass movie. I just added it in the BEQ thread, and there was barely anything I could do to it. All I did was add a small amount <10Hz. I remember watching that movie, and I didn't even have Crowsons at the time, and it was amazing.

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Please don't take this the wrong way, as I'm happy for you that you are loving your sub, but trust me, Kong: Skull Island is an epic bass movie. I just added it in the BEQ thread, and there was barely anything I could do to it. All I did was add a small amount <10Hz. I remember watching that movie, and I didn't even have Crowsons at the time, and it was amazing.


In all seriousness, King Kong, Godzilla and Hulk all get into a scuffle at the neighborhood bar. Who smashes it up with the deepest bass?
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In all seriousness, King Kong, Godzilla and Hulk all get into a scuffle at the neighborhood bar. Who smashes it up with the deepest bass?
As soon as Hulk grabs the cop car, it's over for the other two.
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Please don't take this the wrong way, as I'm happy for you that you are loving your sub, but trust me, Kong: Skull Island is an epic bass movie. I just added it in the BEQ thread, and there was barely anything I could do to it. All I did was add a small amount <10Hz. I remember watching that movie, and I didn't even have Crowsons at the time, and it was amazing.
What could I be missing? Output? I could have turned up the MV a bit more, but it was already comfortably loud to me. Extension? Most likely. But that diesnt explain why I had a better experience with 9 and the other movies. I'm at a loss here.

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What could I be missing? Output? I could have turned up the MV a bit more, but it was already comfortably loud to me. Extension? Most likely. But that diesnt explain why I had a better experience with 9 and the other movies. I'm at a loss here.
Certainly extension. Your sub's wheelhouse is 30Hz+, and 9 is hot as hell from 30-40Hz. That makes perfect sense that it would wow you with that sub.

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Certainly extension. Your sub's wheelhouse is 30Hz+, and 9 is hot as hell from 30-40Hz. That makes perfect sense that it would wow you with that sub.
Do you think I'd have a better experience with a PB1000 or I need to aim higher?

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Superfist, I understand but Others did much better when he had 5 stones. I mean that power blast would destroy Hulk but not a shield? I still liked the movie but as you said, The Hulk in the first movie was much better as strength, size, and anger go. I guess he has been tamed being in too many hot tubs while the other Avengers are strong like bull.
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I guess he has been tamed being in too many hot tubs while the other Avengers are strong like bull.
I think the Black Widow can also beat the Hulk is she wants too.
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Well she can certainly tame him, but I don’t blame him.
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Do you think I'd have a better experience with a PB1000 or I need to aim higher?
The PB-1000 does dig a little deeper, but when it's time to replace that HTS 12 I'd go for a bigger upgrade.

I have the Kong Skull Island Bluray with the Dolby Atmos mix. I haven't watched on my new system yet only on my old HTIB. I'll try and find time to test it out this week and let you know how it sounds with the PB-1000's.
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Do you think I'd have a better experience with a PB1000 or I need to aim higher?
None of the low-end subs are going to get you substantial useable output that you can feel below 20-25hz. There is a reason they are lower priced and smaller.

That is why many people end up going DIY is for the price of 1 higher end subwoofer from an ID company you can fill your room with multiple 18-21" subs by going DIY.

Your cheapest option to feel content below 20hz and down into the single digits would be something like a Crowson.
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Skip the in between upgrade options, just get 2 x sealed 18 inchers (JTR, Funk etc) and never wonder again. Oh, and Kong will sound amazing!

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Every second year I visit Watchmen and everytime it tells me why I bother to have a $$$$$$$ home theater in my house, good damn it sounds awesome. All the way from the start is great but when the deal gets real about 1hour (Prison scene) its goosebumps time







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Let me gather myself, because I just had one of the experiences of my life.

As you probably know (or maybe not) I've been subless for almost five months since upgrading from a LG HTiB which served me well for over a year. Since my PB-1000 order went down the toilet, I decided for a Polk HTS 12 that just arrived yesterday.

But I tell you what? I CRAVE FOR MORE!!
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What could I be missing? Output? I could have turned up the MV a bit more, but it was already comfortably loud to me. Extension? Most likely. But that diesnt explain why I had a better experience with 9 and the other movies. I'm at a loss here.
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Remember the "How to read Graphs" link on the first page?
>>>https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-s...l#post56337630

Sorry bud, the Polk is good compared to a HTIB, but just barely
With Kong: Skull Island, You simply brought a pocket knife to Gun Fight...

16Hz at -12dB and 12Hz at -17dB Peaks are what you're missing,
... that lower octave takes multiple Large drivers (18's) with Lots of Powah ...or Crowson MA's (or Both )



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Skip the in between upgrade options, just get 2 x sealed 18 inchers (JTR, Funk etc) and never wonder again. Oh, and Kong will sound amazing!
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My first subs were clearance priced discontinued Velodyne's
Picked them up for half price, but no matter how many I added (got up to 4)
Extension below 25Hz was still limited.

When it was time for some Real Power down to single digit Hz,
I skipped all the usual upgrade baby steps and went right to the top of the Sub food chain.

Expensive, maybe...but so is buying every in between model up the ladder to the top (if that's your ultimate goal)
I've got more than enough sub for my small space, now have Crowson's on the way too LOL!

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Nice attempts to explain Hulk worthlessness, but those explanations don't hold up. But the whole movie is riddled with such inconsistencies that there's no point in discussing them. I didn't like the movie because of that, and I have a highly developed resistance to absurdities in action/fantasy movies. Just my opinion.
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Superfist, I understand but Others did much better when he had 5 stones. I mean that power blast would destroy Hulk but not a shield? I still liked the movie but as you said, The Hulk in the first movie was much better as strength, size, and anger go. I guess he has been tamed being in too many hot tubs while the other Avengers are strong like bull.
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I think the Black Widow can also beat the Hulk is she wants too.
OMG...Don't get me started on that. It's like her and Falcon turned into bad asses over night. First thing that popped into my head when she started owning Proxima & Corvus was "Looks like MCU is already setting up that Black Widow origin movie..."


Ok ok ok...That's all I'll say about it. BLUF: It was a freakin fantastic movie. Maybe one of my favorite of all time. The only movie I have ever watched 8 times...lol. Who knows, maybe all of these questions will be inconsequential once the next movie shows up...
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I agree Pop, I mean Captain and black widow seem to have the same results with powerful aliens. Huh? She must be working out. Let me paint the better picture, a stronger Hulk and Black Widow in the hot tub!
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What could I be missing? Output? I could have turned up the MV a bit more, but it was already comfortably loud to me. Extension? Most likely. But that diesnt explain why I had a better experience with 9 and the other movies. I'm at a loss here.
If your disc has both Dolby (Atmos) TrueHD and DTS High Definition MSTR, Use Dolby True HD as i found it was much better than the DTS. As mentioned your sub will struggle with lower frequencies found in some of these movies.

Now (SanAndreas) should be right in your subs sweet spot!!
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Picking up both G.I. Joe Retaliation (Blu-ray) and The Hurricane Heist (UHD) for only $23 at Walmart...not bad for a couple of cheesy bass monsters!

All the mentions of G.I. Joe lately, I can’t recall watching it yet. Also, if you haven’t experienced the bass in The Hurricane Heist, it may destroy you and/or your subs.

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Picking up both G.I. Joe Retaliation (Blu-ray) and The Hurricane Heist (UHD) for only $23 at Walmart...not bad for a couple of cheesy bass monsters!

All the mentions of G.I. Joe lately, I can’t recall watching it yet. Also, if you haven’t experienced the bass in The Hurricane Heist, it may destroy you and/or your subs.
FYI: amazon.com has the 4K/UHD of HH for $14.96

I finally watched mine,
and Double Featured it with Den of Thieves (on bluray) Perfect way to kill a quiet Saturday afternoon...



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FYI: amazon.com has the 4K/UHD of HH for $14.96



I finally watched mine,

and Double Featured it with Den of Thieves (on bluray) Perfect way to kill a quiet Saturday afternoon...






It was the same price at Walmart too. Think it’s been $15 on and off for a while as they probably aren’t selling boatloads of this movie to justify a higher price. GI Joe was $7.88
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The Ultimate List of BASS in Movies w/ Frequency Charts

I’m about halfway through the first season of Jack Ryan on Amazon, but on the regular Fire stick it’s not streaming in Atmos. Is the 4K Fire stick required or are the Atmos streams only from windows 10?

Enjoying the show! Decent audio so far but nothing special in Dolby Digital

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And... would you share step by step how did you turn out this magic?
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I’m about halfway through the first season of Jack Ryan on Amazon, but on the regular Fire stick it’s not streaming in Atmos. Is the 4K Fire stick required or are the Atmos streams only from windows 10?

Enjoying the show! Decent audio so far but nothing special in Dolby Digital
I get Dolby Atmos from both my Xbox One S and the Prime App in my Vizio Smartcast. The latter also provides Dolby Vision. I've not found a way to get a Windows Web Browser to do bitstream audio.

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For those of you who have a receiver that uses Audyssey and has the option to turn on Dynamic EQ (DEQ), but you don't have REW and a Mic to see what it's doing to your room, I made a graph to give you an idea.

It doesn't change your room response/graph, it just amplifies it. If you have the option right under DEQ to change the Reference Level Offset (RLO) from 15, 10, 5, and 0, then my graph basically shows you that every click (4 total) gives you an increase of about 2.2db.

I haven't taken a look at what DEQ does to the frequencies above 100hz but I do know that I prefer to have DEQ Off, as my system and speakers sound much more clear without it. So what I have come up with instead is, I've increased the gain on my subs and decreased my sub trims in my avr to max level -12 (Marantz). Whenever I want extra bass (wannabe DEQ) I just increase my sub trims from -12 to -8 or -6, that way I can keep the same volume and clarity of my sound stage while only increasing the low end below 100hz. This is just what works better for ME.

Anyways, here's the graph, hope this helps some of you who've been wondering what DEQ On/Off is doing in your room. Btw, that's not my current response, this was in the middle of testing and finding a sweet spot
If you expand that graph out to 200hz or so, you'll clearly see it is a gradual increase across the bass range, down to about 60hz where it levels off the rest of the way. Keep in mind also that those differences are not static and the boost adjusts along with the master volume. The lower the MV, the more boost is applied to the bass to compensate (and the top end too btw). If you have DEQ and play the movie at reference, there will be no boost at all. Next news flash, if you for any reason go above reference, DEQ actually starts to CUT the bass.

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Do you think I'd have a better experience with a PB1000 or I need to aim higher?
As others have said, the mere fact you are hanging out in this thread so often means you have a particular affinity for bass frequencies. You need displacement, and lots of it to get the type of effects many of us come in here talking about.
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