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Quick question that has been bugging me for some time...

What do these graphs represent? A single "snapshot" of the bass in some part of the movie?
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Quick question that has been bugging me for some time...

What do these graphs represent? A single "snapshot" of the bass in some part of the movie?
It's a bass graph of the whole movie.

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I concede Battleship doesn't have very deep bass, but to call it a "big dud" sounds like an exaggeration to me. There's plenty of bass in the film, it's loud and is used to very good effect. And the overall sound mix is top notch. It qualifies as a fun, pretty good audio track, IMO. I read some reports that the UHD improved the bass, so let's hope it's true.
Yeah the 4k version also has the filtering, no big excursion moments to be seen when you would expect it, but like you said its a pretty powerful mix despite that.

Heres the beq setting from Aaron from the beq thread, needs a huge amount of boost:

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Who cares about the critics.. I’m watching it because of her.. lol
No but it's on my to watch list.
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While doing some sound check, I watched back to back scenes from Saving Private Ryan in Atmos and Hacksaw Ridge and except for bass extension, I have to give the edge to SPR. Man they did some good work with that mix, it will literally put you in the middle of D-Day Bullets are flying all over the room, you can feel the impact of each bullet. Damn, what a mix!
Yes! The beginning beach scene is one of my all time favorite sound mixes!
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Doing some shopping today and I'm going to pick up Saving Private Ryan on blu ray.


Which mix is better for Sicario 2, blu ray or 4K?
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Sounds like a pretty fun bass movie session for today. Keep us updated with your impressions!
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While doing some sound check, I watched back to back scenes from Saving Private Ryan in Atmos and Hacksaw Ridge and except for bass extension, I have to give the edge to SPR. Man they did some good work with that mix, it will literally put you in the middle of D-Day Bullets are flying all over the room, you can feel the impact of each bullet. Damn, what a mix!

Also watched a few key scene of Cloverfield and it's sill one of my top 3 mix ever. The street crossing scene is one of a kind and if it does not induce panic, I don't know what to tell you lol
I would have to disagree, I think the one of the most impressive atmos scenes is any battle scene in Hacksaw. Especially when a bomb will go off and the shrapnel / debris will come from the back and land on top of you or come from the front and over top. Then there is bullets coming across from one side to the other. Not knocking SPR, but Hacksaw is exceptional at least to me.

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I would have to disagree, I think the one of the most impressive atmos scenes is any battle scene in Hacksaw. Especially when a bomb will go off and the shrapnel / debris will come from the back and land on top of you or come from the front and over top. Then there is bullets coming across from one side to the other. Not knocking SPR, but Hacksaw is exceptional at least to me.
Hacksaw Ridge is indeed a real nice audio mix and we all ear differently . Did you listen to the 5.1 DTS-HD or the Dolby Atmos version of Saving Private Ryan?

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Hacksaw Ridge is indeed a real nice audio mix and we all ear differently . Did you listen to the 5.1 DTS-HD or the Dolby Atmos version of Saving Private Ryan?
Absolutely true, I have both Blu Ray and UHD, but last time I heard Blu ray it was upmixed with DTS Neutral so it was not hugely different to Atmos. Still love SVP its in my top 5 movies all time.

To be clear its still a fantastic mix, but I think the use of Atmos is better in Hacksaw.

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Not too shabby considering this is an early BD release with MPEG-2 compression. I am ready for this UHD release to occur now!
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While doing some sound check, I watched back to back scenes from Saving Private Ryan in Atmos and Hacksaw Ridge and except for bass extension, I have to give the edge to SPR. Man they did some good work with that mix, it will literally put you in the middle of D-Day Bullets are flying all over the room, you can feel the impact of each bullet. Damn, what a mix!
I haven't watched SPR yet but have it and plan a spin this weekend actually. I'm looking even more forward to it now after reading this though I have a feeling Hacksaw will still have the edge in my room. Hacksaw is probably the best full bandwidth, unfiltered Atmos mix yet IMHO but it takes massive displacement/subwoofer horsepower into the single digits to really fully see what it has on offer. In my old room it was mean but after building the IB, in my new room, it is another level. There are a few Atmos tracks with BEQ that are close but Hacksaw is pretty much the yardstick I measure from for full band Atmos. I even use it as a grand finale when doing demo's a lot of the time because of how hard it brings it as well as how great the entire sound design is. It's a hard watch every time from a standpoint of brutality but that is also how I would classify the bass. Gibson really captured that in Hacksaw and delivered it stunningly IMHO.

All that said I can't claim Hacksaw better IMO until I get through SPR and really look at it as a win-win if there is even debate.

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I haven't watched SPR yet but have it and plan a spin this weekend actually. I'm looking even more forward to it now after reading this though I have a feeling Hacksaw will still have the edge in my room. Hacksaw is probably the best full bandwidth, unfiltered Atmos mix yet IMHO but it takes massive displacement/subwoofer horsepower into the single digits to really fully see what it has on offer. In my old room it was mean but after building the IB, in my new room, it is another level. There are a few Atmos tracks with BEQ that are close but Hacksaw is pretty much the yardstick I measure from for full band Atmos. I even use it as a grand finale when doing demo's a lot of the time because of how hard it brings it as well as how great the entire sound design is. It's a hard watch every time from a standpoint of brutality but that is also how I would classify the bass. Gibson really captured that in Hacksaw and delivered it stunningly IMHO.

All that said I can't claim Hacksaw better IMO until I get through SPR and really look at it as a win-win if there is even debate.
As far as bass yes HR digs a lot lower, but on a mixing standpoint SPR is really sweet. Big, thick soundstage bringing the chaos in your living room.

BTW you have one heck of a system
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As far as bass yes HR digs a lot lower, but on a mixing standpoint SPR is really sweet. Big, thick soundstage bringing the chaos in your living room.

BTW you have one heck of a system
Thank you sir, right back at you. The Faber's are wonderful I bet and I know that JVC looks stunning.

I hope I didn't come off as doubtful of your thoughts brother, I'm sure those Venere's reveal differences very nicely indeed. I can't wait to see for myself as both are great films and I'm also super stoked SPR got an amazing mix, there is always BEQ for the bass if it's needed. Nothing you can do for a shizy surround mix!
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Thank you sir, right back at you. The Faber's are wonderful I bet and I know that JVC looks stunning.

I hope I didn't come off as doubtful of your thoughts brother, I'm sure those Venere's reveal differences very nicely indeed. I can't wait to see for myself as both are great films and I'm also super stoked SPR got an amazing mix, there is always BEQ for the bass if it's needed. Nothing you can do for a shizy surround mix!
No worries buddy, this is what we are here for I have been in this hobby for over 12 years, I'm still learning and still have a lot to learn!

And of course YMMV depending on your setup, equipment, room, etc. Some setup will work better with some material than other. As for the Venere, they are very nice for the price. I just ordered another pair of Venere 1.5 to complete my 7.2.4 and will probably have a Monolith 7x to power the 7 floor speakers. Hope it will worth the $$ lol

That being said, I would pay some good money to have a demo in your room. It must be something else!
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No worries buddy, this is what we are here for I have been in this hobby for over 12 years, I'm still learning and still have a lot to learn!

And of course YMMV depending on your setup, equipment, room, etc. Some setup will work better with some material than other. As for the Venere, they are very nice for the price. I just ordered another pair of Venere 1.5 to complete my 7.2.4 and will probably have a Monolith 7x to power the 7 floor speakers. Hope it will worth the $$ lol

That being said, I would pay some good money to have a demo in your room. It must be something else!


Congrats on expanding to 7.x.x man!



As with any of the Bass and BEQ brethren, you sir are welcome anytime though I must warn all that it is a DIY work in progress and not even 10% the level of fit and finish of your beautiful room. I grabbed this property before I could really afford to (were still saving when it came up for sale) because of the 4.5 acres and detached garage with a bay perfect for a 13.5x30ft dedicated room 100ft from the house and 1000ft to any neighbors. I dropped all saved cash on the property then maxed the HD account building the IB and riser then just threw very dark navy blue $1 a yard closeout fabric on all the walls and ceiling to cover all the exposed conduit, auto paint ( it was a paint booth) and holes in the block garage walls. Threw up my treatments temporarily and have been testing speaker positioning and EQ curves ever since for the day I can finish it.

I'm working on paying down that balance ( which also has a full kitchen and 2 bathroom reno's on it) so I can finish out the room like I want it to be one day. I was just so happy to have the property and somewhere I could build all the subs I wanted, and actually use them any hour of the day I wanted, that I was willing to live with the room in 1/3 complete mode for a year or two. Coming from living with thin walled neighbors 20ft away for 2 years to really being able to use my rig is priceless. It fully delivers when the light are off but with rugs over bare concrete and an unfinished riser the room isn't much to look at with the lights on and is the reason I have held off on a build thread until.

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Yeah the 4k version also has the filtering, no big excursion moments to be seen when you would expect it, but like you said its a pretty powerful mix despite that.

Heres the beq setting from Aaron from the beq thread, needs a huge amount of boost:

Watched this again tonight to refresh my memory and even with 30 db of ls12 at 29Hz its an ulf flop. Really nothing very deep to be found in this one. Followed it up with Transformers 1 to "clear the palate", ahhh there we go.

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^^^^^^^^

Interesting. In the data-bass thread ( http://data-bass.ipbhost.com/topic/1...ts#comment-778 ), the BEQ'd version is supposedly a five stars film. The graph looks a bit different to the one you posted:

Battleship BEQ (data-bass)



I don't know how the filters were implemented, though.

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Congrats on expanding to 7.x.x man!



As with any of the Bass and BEQ brethren, you sir are welcome anytime though I must warn all that it is a DIY work in progress and not even 10% the level of fit and finish of your beautiful room. I grabbed this property before I could really afford to (were still saving when it came up for sale) because of the 4.5 acres and detached garage with a bay perfect for a 13.5x30ft dedicated room 100ft from the house and 1000ft to any neighbors. I dropped all saved cash on the property then maxed the HD account building the IB and riser then just threw very dark navy blue $1 a yard closeout fabric on all the walls and ceiling to cover all the exposed conduit, auto paint ( it was a paint booth) and holes in the block garage walls. Threw up my treatments temporarily and have been testing speaker positioning and EQ curves ever since for the day I can finish it.

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Anyone who is around Bristol Tennessee way can hit me up and come on by for a demo anytime, just know the room will be a very different place in another couple years than it is right now from a finish standpoint and that goes for the whole property for that matter. I have recently decided to go ahead and grab a 4k PJ in January so that may put things back another few months as far as budget is concerned but I just can't really wait any longer with prices as low as they are now not to mention the 2-3x bulb life vs my Panny. Hell I spent 1/3 the PJ upgrade price on bulbs this year alone and bulb #3 will be done in a few more weeks so instead of buying another........ new PJ here I come.
Keep on the good work and you will have a killer HT

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EDIT: What 4K projector did you chose?
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EDIT: What 4K projector did you chose?
Well I'm still trying to choose but had an offer for a JVC 440 (from a friend through a dealer) at a price I never dreamed possible so that really does the deciding for me honestly. Nothing equals those blacks but the UB Epson's and they are sadly out of budget. I've really wanted a JVC after seeing BeastAudio's when I went to his place a couple years ago now and as stunning as it was he has since upgraded to the 540 and says it looks even better than the one I saw which was a prior model, though I'm not sure which.

Other contenders are the UHD50, and the soon to be released BenQ 3550 but I also imagine all the current BenQ models will see further price reductions that will make them more appealing. It's really all down to price vs features in such a flooded market but the 440 at the price I heard the other day is a no brainer, for me anyway.

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^^^^^^^^

Interesting. In the data-bass thread ( http://data-bass.ipbhost.com/topic/1...ts#comment-778 ), the BEQ'd version is supposedly a five stars film. The graph looks a bit different to the one you posted:

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I don't know how the filters were implemented, though.
The databass version is applying this to all channels before bass management:

"Bass EQ:

 

Low-shelve filter, all channels:

27Hz +12dB Q=1.0  (MiniDSP new)

27Hz +12dB Q=1.0 (MiniDSP new)"

Maybe my 2496 isn't doing what it says its doing. Or there's a lot of bass in the bed channels and I'm not picking it up because I'm only boosting the sub channel post BM. Just didn't move me like the best bass movies imo.



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I'll never understand why a sound mixer or whatever they are called would nerf the bass so much after spending so many weeks or months designing it and putting it all into the movie. it was required to tell the story in a way they saw fit yet after all that work they said "yep let's remove it all" it's just absolute madness.

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It's a bass graph of the whole movie.

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How do I read the graph? I mean, what represents the start and the end of the movie?
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How do I read the graph? I mean, what represents the start and the end of the movie?
There is a link on the page 1 on reading graphs: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-s...l#post56337630

If you want to see the entire movie (time stamps) you'll want to use the BEQ designer to get a spectrum graph

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-s...l#post56610134

Anyone who is bitter over filtered movies only needs a little BEQ (Bass EQ), a miniDSP (~$200)
and 5 minutes of their time to adjust the low shelf filters and get full bandwidth from 95% of the neutered titles.
(less than the time it takes to post your disgust for the sound mixers mistakes)



With Time Stamps (left margin)



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there's no excuse to simply "put up" with a sh!++y sound track.

Atomic Blonde is a Perfect example as your first BEQ movie "if" you're willing to venture down the rabbit hole.




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I'll never understand why a sound mixer or whatever they are called would nerf the bass so much after spending so many weeks or months designing it and putting it all into the movie. it was required to tell the story in a way they saw fit yet after all that work they said "yep let's remove it all" it's just absolute madness.

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I agree 100%, I wonder why. But at the same time, some people cut their own dick off, so it doesn't surprise me after all... lol
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IMHO, If you're a Real basshead,
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Atomic Blonde is a Perfect example as your first BEQ movie "if" you're willing to venture down the rabbit hole.



So I wasn't crazy when I was saying in the Blu-Ray review thread that there was a constant 70Hz buzz. Turned out it needed to be cut!

EDIT: My guess is it was mixed with a system with a poor mid/upper bass response and they ended up putting too much emphasis to it.

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There is a link on the page 1 on reading graphs: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-s...l#post56337630

If you want to see the entire movie (time stamps) you'll want to use the BEQ designer to get a spectrum graph

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-s...l#post56610134

Anyone who is bitter over filtered movies only needs a little BEQ (Bass EQ), a miniDSP (~$200)
and 5 minutes of their time to adjust the low shelf filters and get full bandwidth from 95% of the neutered titles.
(less than the time it takes to post your disgust for the sound mixers mistakes)



With Time Stamps (left margin)



IMHO, If you're a Real basshead,
there's no excuse to simply "put up" with a sh!++y sound track.

Atomic Blonde is a Perfect example as your first BEQ movie "if" you're willing to venture down the rabbit hole.



A miniDSP is not required if your subs have built in eq ?
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A miniDSP is not required if your subs have built in eq ?
Some kind of external dsp is needed unless your subs eq provides the capability to apply low shelf filters.

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