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Finally put on Hunter Killer, but i'm having some DSP issues dealing with some low single digit frequencies. Limiter is activating so i'm working with Nathan to fine tune. My signal chain is very strong down to low single digits and for some reason limiter is not handling it. Nathan thinks the lower harmonics are blowing through the DSP clipping the amp. Time stamp 20:00 to 20:10 was activating it at -10mv and just 3db hot on trim.

I think from what i was experiencing, this movie (at least in the first 25 minutes) is focusing in some frequencies that my room is not supporting well. This could be why the ULF is over boosted.

Out of frustration i'll save the movie for a later date.
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guys i am having a friend over this weekend for a movie night and am just looking for a recommendation of a recent movie with great bass.



the ones that i can think of off the top of my head that im pretty sure have been mentioned here and that i have not seen yet are -

Hunter Killer

Hurricane Heist

Cloverfield paradox

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Overlord



Hoping for a great sound mix and a good movie to go along with the bass as well !!



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guys i am having a friend over this weekend for a movie night and am just looking for a recommendation of a recent movie with great bass.

the ones that i can think of off the top of my head that im pretty sure have been mentioned here and that i have not seen yet are -
Hunter Killer
Hurricane Heist
Cloverfield paradox
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Overlord

Hoping for a great sound mix and a good movie to go along with the bass as well !!

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Start with Overlord. The first 20 minutes is a surround sound fanatics dream.
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Finally put on Hunter Killer, but i'm having some DSP issues dealing with some low single digit frequencies. Limiter is activating so i'm working with Nathan to fine tune. My signal chain is very strong down to low single digits and for some reason limiter is not handling it. Nathan thinks the lower harmonics are blowing through the DSP clipping the amp. Time stamp 20:00 to 20:10 was activating it at -10mv and just 3db hot on trim.

I think from what i was experiencing, this movie (at least in the first 25 minutes) is focusing in some frequencies that my room is not supporting well. This could be why the ULF is over boosted.

Out of frustration i'll save the movie for a later date.
Yeah that's a bit odd, that scene has that "deep/pressure" feeling but it doesn't feel like its recorded insanely hot or anything. The movie has quite a few scenes like that, so probably best to sort out the DSP first with Nathan. I'm assuming you're just just seeing the limiter lights flickering or something? Not actually hearing distortion?
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I agree with Overlord. I really enjoyed that last night(think my neighbors did as well)
Anyone watch Mortal Engines yet?
Thinking of giving that a spin tonight.
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I watched Overlord late last night and man what a movie! Audio was fantastic too! Although I kept the volume down since it was late and I will crank it this weekend!

I watched a little of XMen Days of Future Past and this film on bd has great sound design and some decent bass moments! I totally forgot how good this one is! Also is the 4k version in Atmos or 7.1?


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Yeah that's a bit odd, that scene has that "deep/pressure" feeling but it doesn't feel like its recorded insanely hot or anything. The movie has quite a few scenes like that, so probably best to sort out the DSP first with Nathan. I'm assuming you're just just seeing the limiter lights flickering or something? Not actually hearing distortion?
No distortion at all,,, never any audible distortion , but an audible pop which is designed that way. A lot of avr's have a frequency range from 10Hz to 20K,, my integra is 5Hz to 20K+,,, maybe thats the difference or my room caused audyssy to really max out the ULF.
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or my room caused audyssy to really max out the ULF.
Yes it could be. Audyssey boosts my subs a few dB under 10Hz, this hasn't caused me any issues yet thankfully!
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No distortion at all,,, never any audible distortion , but an audible pop which is designed that way. A lot of avr's have a frequency range from 10Hz to 20K,, my integra is 5Hz to 20K+,,, maybe thats the difference or my room caused audyssy to really max out the ULF.

If it’s really loud, an audible pop definitely sounds like a driver that’s getting a clipped signal. Hope you get it sorted out.

I think that’s awesome Nathan can and does custom tailor the DSP for each user’s room post sale. That’s great support! If I recall, I think hunter Killer has a lot of serious 9Hz scenes and a little lower, so maybe that was it. Odd this is the first time you’re encountering this though.
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guys i am having a friend over this weekend for a movie night and am just looking for a recommendation of a recent movie with great bass.
Venom.
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Not the first time. Pod emerging scene, a 6Hz scene in The finest hour, and a couple others all in the single digit Hz. The limiter kicks in before there is a strong amp draw. I can get double digit amp draw in frequencies in the high single/low teens Hz with no issues, but limiter will not even allow high single digit amp meter readings in the occasional scene and will actually prevent excursion from happening. Nathan thinks the lower harmonics are bleeding through. First adjustment helped in the finest hours but HK is killing me.

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No distortion at all,,, never any audible distortion , but an audible pop which is designed that way. A lot of avr's have a frequency range from 10Hz to 20K,, my integra is 5Hz to 20K+,,, maybe thats the difference or my room caused audyssy to really max out the ULF.
I tested my old Denon X4100W and it had very little rolloff. I don't think many AVRs do these days.

-0.2 dB @ 10Hz
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-0.4 dB @ 8Hz
-0.5 dB @ 7Hz
-0.8 dB @ 6Hz
-1.0 dB @ 5Hz
-1.7 dB @ 4Hz
-2.6 dB @ 3Hz
-5.3 dB @ 2Hz

So I think it's something else. My first guess is clipping somewhere in the signal chain. If not, just asking too much from the subs down low.
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I tested my old Denon X4100W and it had very little rolloff. I don't think many AVRs do these days.

-0.2 dB @ 10Hz
-0.3 dB @ 9Hz
-0.4 dB @ 8Hz
-0.5 dB @ 7Hz
-0.8 dB @ 6Hz
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-1.7 dB @ 4Hz
-2.6 dB @ 3Hz
-5.3 dB @ 2Hz

So I think it's something else. My first guess is clipping somewhere in the signal chain. If not, just asking too much from the subs down low.
Same avr for ten years,, hadn't happened before with three other subs. That been said, it's above my pay grade on what may be happening. It happened right away with the new subs. Nathan just two weeks ago even gave me a new amp but issue persists. It never ever happens with frequencies above 10Hz. Anyway didn't mean to derail the thread, i'll give HK another shot at a lower volume when i'm in the mood.
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I watched Overlord late last night and man what a movie! Audio was fantastic too! Although I kept the volume down since it was late and I will crank it this weekend!

I watched a little of XMen Days of Future Past and this film on bd has great sound design and some decent bass moments! I totally forgot how good this one is! Also is the 4k version in Atmos or 7.1?


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Picked up Overlord today,,,, graph screams -10mv. On deck for tomorrow, cant wait.
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2nd viewing of "Wreck it Ralph Breaks the Internet" with the grand kids and have to admit to loving the bass and topnotch sound design! You kiddos are in for a treat
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Roma

I don't know how to do measurements, but I watched Roma the other day on Netflix, and the bass in the earthquake, street riot and ocean surf scenes were perhaps the most tactile I have experienced at home. For those scenes, but not the whole movie, as intense as some of the movies that have good bass measurements that I have seen at home (like John Wick 2, Annihilation, Atomic Blond, Mad Maxx Fury Road, Interstellar and BR 2047, although those movies have a lot more bass interest in general throughout). I would be interested to see if the measurements indicate this? It could just be that Roma happens to have bass energy in those particular scenes in just the right spot for my room? It could be that I just didn't expect to get that bass level from a movie like Roma, and those scenes stood out by comparison to the rest of the movie. Have others watched it an observed anything worthy?
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I don't know how to do measurements, but I watched Roma the other day on Netflix, and the bass in the earthquake, street riot and ocean surf scenes were perhaps the most tactile I have experienced at home. For those scenes, but not the whole movie, as intense as some of the movies that have good bass measurements that I have seen at home (like John Wick 2, Annihilation, Atomic Blond, Mad Maxx Fury Road, Interstellar and BR 2047, although those movies have a lot more bass interest in general throughout). I would be interested to see if the measurements indicate this? It could just be that Roma happens to have bass energy in those particular scenes in just the right spot for my room? It could be that I just didn't expect to get that bass level from a movie like Roma, and those scenes stood out by comparison to the rest of the movie. Have others watched it an observed anything worthy?
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The Atmos/surround is something else on that film -be sure to check out if have setup -
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I don't know how to do measurements, but I watched Roma the other day on Netflix, and the bass in the earthquake, street riot and ocean surf scenes were perhaps the most tactile I have experienced at home. For those scenes, but not the whole movie, as intense as some of the movies that have good bass measurements that I have seen at home (like John Wick 2, Annihilation, Atomic Blond, Mad Maxx Fury Road, Interstellar and BR 2047, although those movies have a lot more bass interest in general throughout). I would be interested to see if the measurements indicate this? It could just be that Roma happens to have bass energy in those particular scenes in just the right spot for my room? It could be that I just didn't expect to get that bass level from a movie like Roma, and those scenes stood out by comparison to the rest of the movie. Have others watched it an observed anything worthy?
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The hit around 51:30 has some content around 21-22Hz that is super hot relative to the rest of the mix. I haven't seen the film, but it looks like it's a super quiet mix compared to normal (~8dB quieter), other than that one particular hit. Did you listen to it louder than you normally listen to other stuff, because of that? If so, that would make those hits even louder, putting them up there with some of the loudest we see.
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That's not the same thing as a streaming provider who has seriously compressed the content both to save storage and for suitable size streaming over the internet. Your setup is basically a digital duplicate of the disc where streaming is more like watching a Blu Ray ripped to DVD quality. (yes the quality is better than that but it makes the point)


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I'm going to have to finally check Roma out. I'd been putting it off since I didn't feel like doing a subtitled movie. Cuarón is one of my favorite directors though. If he's into Atmos now maybe we'll luck out and we'll a UHD release of Children of Men with the audio remixed in it. Better use of surround is the only thing lacking in the BD release.
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I'm going to have to finally check Roma out. I'd been putting it off since I didn't feel like doing a subtitled movie. Cuarón is one of my favorite directors though. If he's into Atmos now maybe we'll luck out and we'll a UHD release of Children of Men with the audio remixed in it. Better use of surround is the only thing lacking in the BD release.
be sweet for sure - man have not watched Children of Men for a bit - think will throw on tonight-
also for those who don't keep up with such things Cuaron did Gravity which was whole bunch of Atmos fun.
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be sweet for sure - man have not watched Children of Men for a bit - think will throw on tonight-
also for those who don't keep up with such things Cuaron did Gravity which was whole bunch of Atmos fun.
The DTS:X mix the Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban was great too. Since it's on the new re-release I don't know how much input he had on it though.
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The hit around 51:30 has some content around 21-22Hz that is super hot relative to the rest of the mix. I haven't seen the film, but it looks like it's a super quiet mix compared to normal (~8dB quieter), other than that one particular hit. Did you listen to it louder than you normally listen to other stuff, because of that? If so, that would make those hits even louder, putting them up there with some of the loudest we see.
Your point about it being quiet is interesting. Maybe I did have it turned up more than usual. However, it is subtitled, which for me normally means I tend to not turn it up a lot since I don't need to understand the dialog. I am going to go back and re-listen to it and see where I had the volume to see if I had it above average for me.
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All of those are great options, so go with what genre you and your friend will prefer and find the most entertaining.

Hurricane Heist was one of my favorite full bandwidth bass mixes last year with no EQ needed, but it is pretty cheesy with fairly low production value but a brutal bass track throughout (not memorable for its soundtrack), not that The Meg doesn’t have its own cheese factor depending on your tastes.

I’m finishing up Overlord now, and it’s a little silly and derivative story wise and very gory/violent with crazy good ULF, but that’s with BEQ to bring up a ton of the <20Hz content that’s chopped off.

Hunter Killer is also full bandwidth like Hurricane Heist but IMO a much better movie with an awesome use of underwater effects and ULF; the musical score didn’t stand out to me because the tension from the excellent bass and sound mixing alone were enough to help it shine.

Upgrade is on my to watch list still and seems fairly unique among these films; it got good reviews and seemed to surprise a lot of people as a well rounded film but maybe the least amount of bass among this list judging by the graph.

TCP just arrived in the mail today, so I can’t comment yet but plenty of people have and the graph doesn’t lie. It has some of hardest hitting bass around down to ~17Hz. If sci-fi or cyber-punk is your thing, that’s an easy choice along with Upgrade.

Pick your poison!
Upgrade is an incredible film - maybe my favorite from last year.

I couldn’t make it through 30 minutes of The Cloverfield Project.
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I don't know how to do measurements, but I watched Roma the other day on Netflix, and the bass in the earthquake, street riot and ocean surf scenes were perhaps the most tactile I have experienced at home. For those scenes, but not the whole movie, as intense as some of the movies that have good bass measurements that I have seen at home (like John Wick 2, Annihilation, Atomic Blond, Mad Maxx Fury Road, Interstellar and BR 2047, although those movies have a lot more bass interest in general throughout). I would be interested to see if the measurements indicate this? It could just be that Roma happens to have bass energy in those particular scenes in just the right spot for my room? It could be that I just didn't expect to get that bass level from a movie like Roma, and those scenes stood out by comparison to the rest of the movie. Have others watched it an observed anything worthy?
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My God I have know idea how you made it through this movie? I have tried 3 times and was completely board to tears. Maybe I will try a 4th?

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Creed II (2018) Bass Graph

Creed II (2018) audio is nothing like Creed (2015)
which was pretty freaking awesome.
You can compare the bass graphs below.



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Hunter Killer,,,,,,, Wow!!

Ok spent some time re-tuning DSP and Audyssey today and gave Hunter Killer another go. Besides a movie i enjoyed, the LF and ULF has got to be the most aggressive i can recall, my room and couch constantly felt like i was sitting on the washing machine with the spin cycle going. It reminded me of A quiet Place but a lot more of it. Neighbor came home with 40 minutes left so had to turn it way down. A huge thanks to Nathan for always been available to help

Replay material for sure for me!! Next up,,,,, Overlord tomorrow.

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