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Holy crap those are insane even the dog is shocked @SuperFist I think I would kill my family playing that because the house will break down
The VTF-3 feels like I'm on a Theme Park simulator in this small room!

You guys have to see what I had for two years believing I had a subwoofer


It's rated 60hz and 140w


Two years! Two whole years thinking I had a real subwoofer. I had no idea what real bass was like
I now have an excuse to watch every single movie I've seen all over again
I understand completely...

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Then I hung out too much on AVS, and decided that a smaller version of these (See attachment) will be my next upgrade.
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Geez those DIY subs that look like water heaters are insane! is the sound quality as good as brand subs? I think I would be content with the pc-4000
note: that's what I say right now when I get the PC-4000 I will probably be saying something else
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Lol, love the look on his dog’s face. And for bassheads, this is a very accurate depiction of where the subwoofer journey takes us...I’m still surprised he’s looking to upgrade from those beasts.

I didn't know the road went any further
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Then once I discovered AVS, I upgraded to...

Then I hung out too much on AVS, and...
The recommended time to spend on AVS is no more than a few months, 6 max. After that, you risk losing touch with reality, your perception will be altered and will embark to a journey to Bass Neverland, a place we tell everyone we see closer and closer on the horizon, but never reach... EVER!
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Geez those DIY subs that look like water heaters are insane! is the sound quality as good as brand subs? I think I would be content with the pc-4000
note: that's what I say right now when I get the PC-4000 I will probably be saying something else
DIY subs can sound every bit as good, if not better, than retails subs if designed and built properly. You can have a much better sub system for the same price or an equal sub at much lower cost. Pick your poison. Obviously, I'm not talking about DIY vs. $200 retail subs.
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The recommended time to spend on AVS is no more than a few months, 6 max. After that, you risk losing touch with reality, your perception will be altered and will embark to a journey to Bass Neverland, a place we tell everyone we see closer and closer on the horizon, but never reach... EVER!
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Lol...I’ve already passed the point of no return.
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Geez those DIY subs that look like water heaters are insane! is the sound quality as good as brand subs? I think I would be content with the pc-4000
note: that's what I say right now when I get the PC-4000 I will probably be saying something else
I haven’t heard them, but they have an 11hz tune, and I believe that he’s getting a pretty decent SPL down to 10Hz.

After talking to him about a 6ft version of them, he said that size is actually where they get the best efficiency/output ratings. Sooooo...it would kinda be silly not to build a pair of them, right?
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The recommended time to spend on AVS is no more than a few months, 6 max. After that, you risk losing touch with reality, your perception will be altered and will embark to a journey to Bass Neverland, a place we tell everyone we see closer and closer on the horizon, but never reach... EVER!
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I don't think I can anymore. I'm addicted now
Is there rehab? I won't go either way
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The recommended time to spend on AVS is no more than a few months, 6 max. After that, you risk losing touch with reality, your perception will be altered and will embark to a journey to Bass Neverland, a place we tell everyone we see closer and closer on the horizon, but never reach... EVER!
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^ THAT deserves a crap load of likes!!
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Then I hung out too much on AVS, and decided that a smaller version of these (See attachment) will be my next upgrade.
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Geez those DIY subs that look like water heaters are insane! is the sound quality as good as brand subs? I think I would be content with the pc-4000
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I haven’t heard them, but they have an 11hz tune, and I believe that he’s getting a pretty decent SPL down to 10Hz.

After talking to him about a 6ft version of them, he said that size is actually where they get the best efficiency/output ratings. Sooooo...it would kinda be silly not to build a pair of them, right?
Those are mine I appreciate the share!

They add 19dB(!) at tuning (11.5Hz) because they are so huge, and they are amazing! I'm flat to 10Hz with two of them in a huge room with no room gain, and the pair of them can output as much at 11.5Hz as 19 UM18s (or 3 HS24s) at full excursion. At 10Hz they easily slam doors on the next floor up back and forth HARD within their jambs! The sound quality is as good as any commercial sub and only a couple on the market would even dream of digging that deep at those levels.

It's not that a 6' version would be better than my 12' versions, but they were a nightmare to build, get into the house, mount the drivers, and then stand them up and tether them to the walls. A 6' build is just a great sweet spot as far as cost (buy a 12-footer and cut it in half), ease of build and moving around, while not giving up much as far as efficiency and port gain. In any room two of them will dominate the space with bass. And all within a footprint of only 24".

BTW check out my custom angled Atmos speakers up top next to them. Those things were another nightmare build! I didn't make it easy on myself but the results are amazing!

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More Tuning,,, Better results.

I just played the first fourteen minutes of Overlord -12MV just +3DB's hot on trim so -9,,, no other bass boost, Funks at -10,,,,,,,,, Good God,,, just spectacular!!!!!! Has to be one of the top demo 13 minutes one can experience imo . Just frickin WOW!!

I actually found my adrenaline pumping sitting on my couch while my beer was going flat in minutes lol.
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Those are mine I appreciate the share!

They add 19dB(!) at tuning (11.5Hz) because they are so huge, and they are amazing! I'm flat to 10Hz with two of them in a huge room with no room gain, and the pair of them can output as much at 11.5Hz as 19 UM18s (or 3 HS24s) at full excursion. At 10Hz they easily slam doors on the next floor up back and forth HARD within their jambs! The sound quality is as good as any commercial sub and only a couple on the market would even dream of digging that deep at those levels.

It's not that a 6' version would be better than my 12' versions, but they were a nightmare to build, get into the house, mount the drivers, and then stand them up and tether them to the walls. A 6' build is just a great sweet spot as far as cost (buy a 12-footer and cut it in half), ease of build and moving around, while not giving up much as far as efficiency and port gain. In any room two of them will dominate the space with bass. And all within a footprint of only 24".

BTW check out my custom angled Atmos speakers up top next to them. Those things were another nightmare build! I didn't make it easy on myself but the results are amazing!
Yeah, I probably could've termed that better. And I can't even imagine experiencing what those monsters of yours are capable of. That's just insane. Lol
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The recommended time to spend on AVS is no more than a few months, 6 max. After that, you risk losing touch with reality, your perception will be altered and will embark to a journey to Bass Neverland, a place we tell everyone we see closer and closer on the horizon, but never reach... EVER!
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You nailed it
My upgrade journey started with this thread. First upgraded to Funk 18.0, thanks to Pio he posted pictures every now and then. Next I went to BEQ thread to see what's happening there, now waiting for Crowsons to be delivered soon.

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My upgrade journey started with this thread. First upgraded to Funk 18.0, thanks to Pio he posted pictures every now and then. Next I went to BEQ thread to see what's happening there, now waiting for Crowsons to be delivered soon.
DUDE!! Take it easy using that word on this thread...they'll hear you...
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Just picked up a pair of SVS SB16 Ultras for my small theater. Going through this thread, getting some great ideas. Thanks to all that contributed!
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I guess I will have to start saving up for a second sub then but that might be overkill for my small room.

Small rooms want two+ subs. To help control room modes. Which helps widen the "sweet spot".
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Heads up for anyone needing another sub to increase their enjoyment of these bass movies, Monoprice is currently having their occasional 20% off storewide, which doesn't normally include things like their subwoofers, but it does now!

This includes their extremely capable Monolith 15" sub for $1039.99, which is normally $1,299.99! The Promo Code is SURPRISE2.

https://www.monoprice.com/product?c_...seq=1&format=2
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Smokin Deal SuperFist^^

That sub in Canada with tax is around $2500.
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Small rooms want two+ subs. To help control room modes. Which helps widen the "sweet spot".
I wouldn't even know where to place another HSU VTF-3! I guess one in the front right and one in the back corner left or something like that.
Now how do I convince my wife
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Geez those DIY subs that look like water heaters are insane! is the sound quality as good as brand subs? I think I would be content with the pc-4000
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DIY subs are typically done by people that have less constraints than those that buy commercial. Commercial subs are built with several things in mind: Most pound for pound capability in the smallest space possible, aesthetically pleasing, and ease of use and installation.

DIY frees you from all of these, some of which are truly limiting factors such as space constraints. While some ID companies like JTR and PSA offer massive sub builds, they are only the few that offer such large format subwoofers. Otherwise, DIY opens the doors to many other avenues like designing boxes to fit specific applications, tuning of the boxes to fit your specific needs, and, if you really want to go over and above, finishing the boxes in exact stains and wood grains that you want.

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Those are mine I appreciate the share!

They add 19dB(!) at tuning (11.5Hz) because they are so huge, and they are amazing! I'm flat to 10Hz with two of them in a huge room with no room gain, and the pair of them can output as much at 11.5Hz as 19 UM18s (or 3 HS24s) at full excursion. At 10Hz they easily slam doors on the next floor up back and forth HARD within their jambs! The sound quality is as good as any commercial sub and only a couple on the market would even dream of digging that deep at those levels.

It's not that a 6' version would be better than my 12' versions, but they were a nightmare to build, get into the house, mount the drivers, and then stand them up and tether them to the walls. A 6' build is just a great sweet spot as far as cost (buy a 12-footer and cut it in half), ease of build and moving around, while not giving up much as far as efficiency and port gain. In any room two of them will dominate the space with bass. And all within a footprint of only 24".

BTW check out my custom angled Atmos speakers up top next to them. Those things were another nightmare build! I didn't make it easy on myself but the results are amazing!
I don't know how I hadn't seen your sono build before. It was many moons ago I did the same with some old tempest-x 15's and some 7ft tall tubes, which later got converted to dual opposed 18" tubes while I built my quad DO box install. Looking good and great job getting two water-slides to blend into the room nicely!
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Now how do I convince my wife
Why two subs. There are plenty of explanations on the 'net, this is just the first one I found.

Where to place multiple subs. There are plenty of articles on the 'net about this topic, this is just the first one I found.

As to convincing your wife, let her listen. To do that, buy from an Internet retailer that has a "try it at home and return it if you aren't convinced" policy like Rythmik. HSU may do that, IDK. Then tell her the truth -- that two subs helps you enlarge the "sweet spot" so that both of you can hear optimum bass at the same time. IOW, tell her you're doing it for her. Which has the great advantage of being (at least partially) true.

Hint: don't choose demos that you would use for guy friends. Use demos that might appeal to her. I used a big chunk out of the middle of the S1-E1 of Netflix' Dare Devil. The front part of what I used includes a beautifully recorded thunderstorm. The back part is a long chase across the city by Dare Devil, after a car. It's got music (acoustic), all kinds of city sounds, and all the sounds of Dare Devil running and jumping across a long roof line. When a car door slammed it made her jump. She turned and looked at me and said "damn!" and I knew that I had her. Because for her it's all about the realism. She won't lift a finger for a couch-shaking explosion, but that "dropping a book on the floor" realism is what helps her get lost in the story (that would be "suspending your disbelief" for the English majors out there ), which is what she wants.

I'm just sayin' that guys tend to want the power, women tend to want the finesse. Good subs can do both easily enough. Or they aren't good subs.
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Smokin Deal SuperFist^^

That sub in Canada with tax is around $2500.
That's about what it would be in Hawaii once shipping is added. Well, maybe not that much. The website wouldn't even show the shipping charge to Hawaii but I believe it did once before when the sub first came out and it was nearly as much as the sub.

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Captain America The Winter Soldier 4K Atmos out soon - odds Disney F#cks this awesome track ? lay the bets
Well, let's see how they did with Captain America: The First Avenger released today, shall we?
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Do you think they remastered the bass? I hope so but doubt it, for Avengers that is.
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Spiderverse up on vudu plus they have the uhd disc plus instant digital for under 30 bucks!
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Captain America: The First Avenger (2011) UHD


Looks much the same as the original Blu-Ray, but quieter (like we saw with the avengers re-release). Can't wait to give it a spin
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