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I have seen Aquaman via iTunes (DV/Atmos) and just recvd the disc yesterday and only watched the first 15 minutes so can't comment too much yet on the disc. So far excellent though. I can sorta see what bulls was saying about boring bass in Aquaman. To me it is mostly (but not all) somewhat generic rumbling without too much nuance. But it's intense , digs deep at times, and there's lots of it. I'm a happy camper with that but I can see others wanting more nuanced bass. Maybe the disc is different but again haven't watched it through yet.
Oh, the disc is definitely different.

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Oh, the disc is definitely different.

Never, ever try to judge audio on a movie from a streaming source...it is compromised in one way or another.
Your right and that’s my usual opinion too. Both Spider-Man and Aquaman had relatively unfiltered and hot low end (atypical for streaming) so seamed to be better than most relative to their disc versions but low bit rate is low bit rate regardless. Wife is coming home late tonight and the disc has been ripped to my server so after kiddos in bed it’s Aquaman time.
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Holding out on my Aquaman comments till my disc arrives as well. the Vudu Atmos stream can and will tell you only so much do soft dynamics more than anything, that's not to say its bad which its not by a long shot but the disc is king! I can say thus far there wasn't a lot of variation but the bass that was present was room threatening, the same could be said of the latest Spiderman into the Spidey -verse which the disc was far better than the stream
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yet another superhero movie

Well, my resistance broke. Wife had a night out, Redbox had the Aquaman blu-ray, and much as I'm trying to avoid superhero flix (I mean really, can't Hollywood do anything else these days?), I gave in to the promise of outstanding bass. I'm weak, what can I say?

I thought the first third of the movie was pretty good, but nothing outstanding. And the last couple of hundred posts here had me believing I should be getting outstanding bass. So when I came back from break I did some checking before starting the movie back up. Sure enough, the default sound stream turned out to be the 5.1 lossless mix and I hadn't remembered to check. Sigh, but the 5.1 mix was really quite good. Just nothing outstanding.

But when I manually forced the ATMOS mix, things lit right up. After that I could hear what y'all were talking about. That's a heck of a mix. A real wall shaker, but nicely done and really detailed. Gave my pair of Rythmik LVX12s a right nice workout.

Thanks for the tip guys. It's only March, but that could be the best sound mix of the year. I would love to be proven wrong on that -- bring on the contenders!
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Well, my resistance broke. Wife had a night out, Redbox had the Aquaman blu-ray, and much as I'm trying to avoid superhero flix (I mean really, can't Hollywood do anything else these days?), I gave in to the promise of outstanding bass. I'm weak, what can I say?

I thought the first third of the movie was pretty good, but nothing outstanding. And the last couple of hundred posts here had me believing I should be getting outstanding bass. So when I came back from break I did some checking before starting the movie back up. Sure enough, the default sound stream turned out to be the 5.1 lossless mix and I hadn't remembered to check. Sigh, but the 5.1 mix was really quite good. Just nothing outstanding.

But when I manually forced the ATMOS mix, things lit right up. After that I could hear what y'all were talking about. That's a heck of a mix. A real wall shaker, but nicely done and really detailed. Gave my pair of Rythmik LVX12s a right nice workout.

Thanks for the tip guys. It's only March, but that could be the best sound mix of the year. I would love to be proven wrong on that -- bring on the contenders!
Yep, Warner bros can eat a dick for literally forcing all their discs to play the DTS MA 5.1 mix over the freaking Atmos mix!! Why the hell would they force an inferior mix?! I don't understand this level of perfect stupidity.

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^ You are just saying what the rest of us are thinking.
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I am not following you. I can’t implement the BEQ on frequencies below 20Hz if I don’t have a DSP that will accommodate. Are you saying that sealed JTR should can’t perform with boost at 10 or 15Hz frequencies?



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Yep, Warner bros can eat a dick for literally forcing all their discs to play the DTS MA 5.1 mix over the freaking Atmos mix!! Why the hell would they force an inferior mix?! I don't understand this level of perfect stupidity.

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Never understood this reasoning as well. Even if you don't have Atmos, AVR would play TrueHD, and if no TrueHD it would play DD core. I don't see the downside. I rip all my discs and only include the best track (Atmos or DTS-X) so that makes it easier once done. There have been some occasions where the newer Atmos or DTS-X mix is overall better but the older DTS-HD track has a better low end. I think Jurassic Park and Incredibles were like that. In those cases I rip both.
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Never understood this reasoning as well. Even if you don't have Atmos, AVR would play TrueHD, and if no TrueHD it would play DD core. I don't see the downside. I rip all my discs and only include the best track (Atmos or DTS-X) so that makes it easier once done. There have been some occasions where the newer Atmos or DTS-X mix is overall better but the older DTS-HD track has a better low end. I think Jurassic Park and Incredibles were like that. In those cases I rip both.
TrueHD doesn’t have a DD core. That’s why you get the compatibility tracks. DTS:X is the one with compatibility all the way down
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TrueHD doesn’t have a DD core. That’s why you get the compatibility tracks. DTS:X is the one with compatibility all the way down
This thread may help clarify things a little better for those who're still fuzzy on the differences between them...

https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/...rueHD-AC3-Core

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The way I understand it, TrueHD and AC3 are separate audio streams, but in the case of Bluray players at least, they're seen by the player as a single audio track, and the player can decode either just the AC3, which is lossy, or the TrueHD, which isn't..... assuming it supports TrueHD (it's optional for Bluray players). TrueHD doesn't have an AC3 "core" as such. They're two independent streams. The lossless TrueHD can be decoded on it's own without needing data from the AC3 stream.

The "core" concept probably comes from the way DTS works. In the case of DTS, backwards compatibility was achieved in a different way. DTS-HD has a lossy "core" as well as a stream containing the data required to "make up the difference" between the lossy encoding and the original lossless audio. In that respect they're tied together. A player can decode just the lossy core, or if it supports DTS-HD it can decode the core along with the additional data required for lossless.
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Just finished Aquaman, didn't have it dialed up but even at -18mv house, walls, windows, couch were shaking. Certainly more than a 30Hz movie as i felt many moments 20Hz and below,,,, so there was a lot of weight and layering imo.

It was a continues onslaught of bass which even at -18mv was a bit much today,, as i'm battling a brutal flu so that probably is a big part of my criticism.

Hi budget DC movie, i'm envious for those who watched this on a big 4K screen as it must have looked incredible. Still have my ten year old 51" plasma.

I enjoyed the whole movie thought is was well done and cant wait to give it another spin on a healthier day. 2019 has been good to us all so far!!
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Saw 'Shazam!' today - was great! Can't wait for the home release, it was a stellar mix in the cinema, so we could have another Aquaman-level Blu-Ray on our hands
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Watching Aquaman 4k disc right now at -17.
I thought the digital uhd on vudu was sweet, but boy oh boy does this blow it away!
Looks phenomenal on the 900e, can't wait to watch it again on the Benq ht3550 4k pj next week when I finally get it.
May throw MMFR in after to compare because it's been a while since I've watched that.
This is just an audio and visual treat though holy moly
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OA on Netflix. Holy sh$#. Think they just released season 2 yesterday. Think it was about ten minutes in, and my wife said "OMG what's happening".. there have been two 60 second+ scenes in the first twenty minutes that have hit frequencies I've never heard my sub hit in 10+ years. The OA

Edit - the 20 minute mark is crazy in Episode 1, season 2
Was this the follow up season to the show several years ago about the captive girl telling her story? I loved that, but another "OA" has come out since I think that had nothing to do with it as far as I could tell.[/QUOTE]

Yep. It's the second series to the captive girl one. I would highly recommend reading a good summary of season 1 though. It was so long ago and you'll want a good refresher. The sound is pretty solid throughout.
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ok i went right to the noisy stuff
i turned it up to -10
took some rew, looks like i cropped out the dB levels - manual added on , promise no cheating

yeah i mean there is alot of bass , centered around 20-30hz
shake-shake
yeah
mkay
1 JTR wind during the creature thing tentacles
then lots of 20-30 hz shakes
meh.
shakes
lots of shake-shake boom-boom
meh
i did a 6hz test tone to make sure my seatons still hit it after a recent re-calibration... not much mic resolution down there but <10hz still happenin

... maybe the way they mixed it (too busy & repetitive similar sound composites) causes (me) auditory boringness

all imho and all that sht no offense to the highly ULF-golden-eared attendants of this sub-forum.
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I thought it was good. Launched a bottle off the shelf in my bar lol
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Just finished Aquaman, didn't have it dialed up but even at -18mv house, walls, windows, couch were shaking. Certainly more than a 30Hz movie as i felt many moments 20Hz and below,,,, so there was a lot of weight and layering imo.

It was a continues onslaught of bass which even at -18mv was a bit much today,, as i'm battling a brutal flu so that probably is a big part of my criticism.

Hi budget DC movie, i'm envious for those who watched this on a big 4K screen as it must have looked incredible. Still have my ten year old 51" plasma.

I enjoyed the whole movie thought is was well done and cant wait to give it another spin on a healthier day. 2019 has been good to us all so far!!
Mine showed up yesterday, probably won't get to it until the weekend though. I managed to see it pretty soon after it opened while it was still in a Regal RPX theater and whatever they run in those the picture and sound were both good enough that yeah I knew it was gonna be a hard to beat audio and video treat on disc if DC didn't screw it up like Disney does

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Mine showed up yesterday, probably won't get to it until the weekend though. I managed to see it pretty soon after it opened while it was still in a Regal RPX theater and whatever they run in those the picture and sound were both good enough that yeah I knew it was gonna be a hard to beat audio and video treat on disc if DC didn't screw it up like Disney does
Although probably not in my top ten bass movies based on todays watch,, (keeping in mind volume was conservative) Yes definitely better than Disney cr$#%^p. For those moods where we want constant bass assault this movie delivers although not the highest quality (for my taste),,,,, or maybe just to much of it for me today was centered around 30Hz. I would have liked more -20Hz rumbling in the underwater scenes like Hunter Killer that makes the room flex. Maybe more of that is there but my MV wasnt aggressive enough, only one way to find out.
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If you guys haven't seen Gamer, I'd def recommend it. Amazing visuals and killer sound.
After Aquaman I actually found it quite refreshing lol
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Although probably not in my top ten bass movies based on todays watch,, (keeping in mind volume was conservative) Yes definitely better than Disney cr$#%^p. For those moods where we want constant bass assault this movie delivers although not the highest quality (for my taste),,,,, or maybe just to much of it for me today was centered around 30Hz. I would have liked more -20Hz rumbling in the underwater scenes like Hunter Killer that makes the room flex. Maybe more of that is there but my MV wasnt aggressive enough, only one way to find out.


Honestly yeah my opinion from the theater was yeah it was a lot of rumble 30Hz stuff but I still enjoyed it and since my pb-2000 can't hit ulf stuff really I wasn't as concerned about that aspect.


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Honestly yeah my opinion from the theater was yeah it was a lot of rumble 30Hz stuff but I still enjoyed it and since my pb-2000 can't hit ulf stuff really I wasn't as concerned about that aspect.


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You should be quite happy with the movie and mix. Honestly my mood on any day can sway what i watch and the type of bass/movie im in the mood for. If i'm into chilling and having the perfectly timed DEEP bass hits but not to often i'll choose something like, A Quiet Place, or Dont Breath, or It. All really well done imo, other days when i want to get slammed, MMFR or Aquaman or SanAdreas are better suited movies. Thats why we on this thread have our collection of movies, to watch what we want to watch, when we want to watch on that day.
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I just binge watched LOVE, DEATH & ROBOTS has some of the most incredible stories I've ever seen!. It's crazy to see all these stories told with zero restrictions and maximum creativity. This is like seeing every story idea you ever thought of come to fruition, I'm happy Netflix is bringing such masterpieces to life. This show is a BLIND WATCH Level 10. a preview will just ruin the totally intensity and shock of what you will see, hear and feel. I'd want a SteelBook special edition of this show if we ever get it. Season 1 is amazing and i can't wait for Season 2. I didn't even think about bass because i was so engulfed in the stories and have been missing truly great and different stuff like this for many years.

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Good call @subacabra . I enjoyed that movie, nice bass and sound.
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Finished Mortal Engines last night. I don't have any really good ULF capability, just what a PB-2000 can put out, but it seemed like it had some good bass throughout. I absolutely can NOT wait for my UHD of Aquaman to show up next week!

Yeah,this one give absolutely the best picture quality due to the 8K camera but the ULF part is kinda not enough except the intro was fine and the last battle scene is a bit disappoint too.
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Man - bass night in HT last night with back to back Spidey and Aquaman - both delivered in spades - Aquaman was relentless and pounded throughout -
as always - movies at reference level -

after short break started Gear of War 4 single player campaign with xbox one X Atmos -that was hitting pretty hard as well and considering was just hammered to wall with AM is saying something -
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Yep, Warner bros can eat a dick for literally forcing all their discs to play the DTS MA 5.1 mix over the freaking Atmos mix!! Why the hell would they force an inferior mix?! I don't understand this level of perfect stupidity.

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ok i went right to the noisy stuff
i turned it up to -10
took some rew, looks like i cropped out the dB levels - manual added on , promise no cheating

yeah i mean there is alot of bass , centered around 20-30hz
shake-shake
yeah
mkay
1 JTR wind during the creature thing tentacles
then lots of 20-30 hz shakes
meh.
shakes
lots of shake-shake boom-boom
meh
i did a 6hz test tone to make sure my seatons still hit it after a recent re-calibration... not much mic resolution down there but <10hz still happenin

... maybe the way they mixed it (too busy & repetitive similar sound composites) causes (me) auditory boringness

all imho and all that sht no offense to the highly ULF-golden-eared attendants of this sub-forum.
With a BOSS, you won't feel that one note "shake-shake-boom-boom" any more but rather articulated ULF and TR that will be different for every object on the screen....no kidding!

Below is a recent review of Aquaman from someone who just finished building his own BOSS. This is how Aquaman should sound and feel......check it out in my build thread signature below.

One example of a recent BOSS build and first impressions......

"I was worried about the 3 sheets hurting because of the extra weight, but this thing shakes the platform and my recliner so violently and seemingly effortlessly that you would think it weighs nothing.

It just doesnt seem right that such a low level 15 inch driver powered by a receiver of all things should be able to thrash my seat around so violently, but it does it, cleanly and with authority. The effect is not like what you would experience in a 4d movie at Universal Studios, that tactile is more one noted and gets repetitive quickly. With this you actually feel each bass note as it was intended.

Using Aquaman as an example, the shark ramming the glass feels very different from the soldiers busting through the light house walls which feels very different from a trident blast which feels very different from a water bubble burst. It makes you like it more and more as opposed to growing tired of it quickly and wanting to turn it off."
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Holding out on my Aquaman comments till my disc arrives as well. the Vudu Atmos stream can and will tell you only so much do soft dynamics more than anything, that's not to say its bad which its not by a long shot but the disc is king! I can say thus far there wasn't a lot of variation but the bass that was present was room threatening, the same could be said of the latest Spiderman into the Spidey -verse which the disc was far better than the stream
I have yet to hear a streaming movie from VUDU, Google, or Netflix that has acceptable bass, they all seem to be noticeably lacking.
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