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Holding out on my Aquaman comments till my disc arrives as well. the Vudu Atmos stream can and will tell you only so much do soft dynamics more than anything, that's not to say its bad which its not by a long shot but the disc is king! I can say thus far there wasn't a lot of variation but the bass that was present was room threatening, the same could be said of the latest Spiderman into the Spidey -verse which the disc was far better than the stream
I have yet to hear a streaming movie from VUDU, Google, or Netflix that has acceptable bass, they all seem to be noticeably lacking.
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I have yet to hear a streaming movie from VUDU, Google, or Netflix that has acceptable bass, they all seem to be noticeably lacking.

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I have yet to hear a streaming movie from VUDU, Google, or Netflix that has acceptable bass, they all seem to be noticeably lacking.
Netflix streaming of Daredevil and Stranger Things have a lot going for them, including LFE and music bass that's good enough that I've used them both for demos. The S1 E1 of Dare Devil is what sold my wife on my subs actually. Before that she thought I was crazy. After she heard that she said she "got it" (the subs, not Daredevil [too violent for her]) and now she complains if shows don't have good enough bass. I've created a monster.

All I'm sayin' is that these programs aren't "noticeably lacking" for me. With my ISP. My room. My equipment. My calibration. But if its noticeably lacking for you, there may be a reason for it beyond the content itself.
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Honestly yeah my opinion from the theater was yeah it was a lot of rumble 30Hz stuff but I still enjoyed it and since my pb-2000 can't hit ulf stuff really I wasn't as concerned about that aspect.


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Your sub is ULF capable (18 Hz) plus room gain that could make it feel digging deeper. It won't be in the same level as some of our bass heads here but it should be more than enough if you had a tight budget and space constraints.

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Your sub is ULF capable (18 Hz) plus room gain that could make it feel digging deeper. It won't be in the same level as some of our bass heads here but it should be more than enough if you had a tight budget and space constraints.

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Yep I've had a lot of fun and surprises from it. I just know it's not the same level as many of the systems here with the larger drivers and the seat rumble things etc.


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Aquaman on UHD gave my subs a nice workout. Just fantastic bass and loved the movie too. It was much better then I thought it would be.
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@Jim Kiler , maybe a setting or your subs? Aquaman thru Vudu also gave my room/subs a work out as well, much like what @Reddig said.
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I have yet to hear a streaming movie from VUDU, Google, or Netflix that has acceptable bass, they all seem to be noticeably lacking.
I dare you to play Before I Wake on Netflix at reference at the mark shown below...

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I dare you to play Before I Wake on Netflix at reference at the mark shown below...
that's pushing 115dbs+ if run your systems flat-
be tough for those you run big house curves -
how's the film?

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Few yrs back someone was attempting to make site where we could overlay movie frequency graphs graphs to to allow apple to apple comparisons -
ring a bell with anyone? that would be so cool -

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that's pushing 115dbs+ if run your systems flat-
be tough for those you run big house curves -
how's the film?
LOVE that film! It's very touching once you watch it all the way through.

Too bad the blu-ray isn't available in the U.S. where I'm at, though. I'd have to get it from the UK.
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I dare you to play Before I Wake on Netflix at reference at the mark shown below...
Does at reference mean at 0db on my AV volume?

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Does at reference mean at 0db on my AV volume?
Yes. Never quite understood how others tolerate that kind of volume though. If I get much over -20 my ears start to hurt. Maybe it's different in a large acoustically treated dedicated room.

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Does at reference mean at 0db on my AV volume?

For bass, it depends on if you’re running any added bass boost after calibration like most folks around here. If you didn’t add any to your sub trims, then yes 0MV is reference level; but if you did adjust the sub trims, subtract whatever you added and that’s your bass reference level for playback, i.e. at +6dB bass boost post calibration means -6MV will hit reference level bass.
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Does at reference mean at 0db on my AV volume?
Only if you've calibrated your system properly. Out of the box it is not.

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Maybe it's different in a large acoustically treated dedicated room.
Yes, I have found that higher volumes are much more tolerable in properly treated rooms.
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Yes. Never quite understood how others tolerate that kind of volume though. If I get much over -20 my ears start to hurt. Maybe it's different in a large acoustically treated dedicated room.
Either your ears are very sensitive, or mine are fried. Not until i'm below -10/-12 does it sound "loud" to me depending on source material, -20 is almost background music volume, that been said i keep DEQ off. Even bass heavy tunes at "0" dont hurt my ears although definitely loud. May have something to do with years of potent car audio lol. Movies however rarely below -8.
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Either your ears are very sensitive, or mine are fried.
Probably a little of both.
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Yes. Never quite understood how others tolerate that kind of volume though. If I get much over -20 my ears start to hurt. Maybe it's different in a large acoustically treated dedicated room.
larger treated rooms makes massive difference - never had anyone mentioned being loud in my HT - from kids to Grandma's - thou get scarred from low end some times-
another important point not mentioned much is that with nice treated room - don't need much bass boost if any--
Im pretty flat so at reference peaks hit 115 ish - if you watch at -20 you would need to boost bass +20 for same low end impact
which would basically ruin whole soundtrack -
I'm big fan of soundtrack imaging/detail and layering - boosting bass masks tons of details in the audio--

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Yes. Never quite understood how others tolerate that kind of volume though. If I get much over -20 my ears start to hurt. Maybe it's different in a large acoustically treated dedicated room.


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Only if you've calibrated your system properly. Out of the box it is not.



Yes, I have found that higher volumes are much more tolerable in properly treated rooms.
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larger treated rooms makes massive difference - never had anyone mentioned being loud in my HT - from kids to Grandma's - thou get scarred from low end some times-
another important point not mentioned much is that with nice treated room - don't need much bass boost if any--
Im pretty flat so at reference peaks hit 115 ish - if you watch at -20 you would need to boost bass +20 for same low end impact
which would basically ruin whole soundtrack -
I'm big fan of soundtrack imaging/detail and layering - boosting bass masks tons of details in the audio--
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Got it, makes sense. Maybe one day but for now our living room it is. I can picture it now:

Honey we NEED a dedicated HT room. We'll just take it out of the kids college funds. That way we can make it louder and it will still sound very good.
Ummm..No.

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Yes. Never quite understood how others tolerate that kind of volume though. If I get much over -20 my ears start to hurt. Maybe it's different in a large acoustically treated dedicated room.
Lots of variables here determining one listener being able to listen at reference vs another listener not being able to. You certainly dont need a large fully treated room for reference level playback. I'm in a small 12x17.5 sealed room with only basic treatment (bass traps and first reflection panels) and reference level for my mains with my subs running hot over that so I'm hitting ~130db bass peaks is right where I like to be. A lot of people I've demoed for though felt it was all a bit too much at those levels though, so the individual set of ears is a massive variable in itself. Super clear and clean high level playback is addicting for me though and I watch all first run movies at -1 with my subs on a house curve and its just what I like.

Great thing about HT though is we can all set them up just how we like them.
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Lots of variables here determining one listener being able to listen at reference vs another listener not being able to. You certainly dont need a large fully treated room for reference level playback. I'm in a small 12x17.5 sealed room with only basic treatment (bass traps and first reflection panels) and reference level for my mains with my subs running hot over that so I'm hitting ~130db bass peaks is right where I like to be. A lot of people I've demoed for though felt it was all a bit too much at those levels though, so the individual set of ears is a massive variable in itself. Super clear and clean high level playback is addicting for me though and I watch all first run movies at -1 with my subs on a house curve and its just what I like.

Great thing about HT though is we can all set them up just how we like them.
I'm the same way especially when it comes to music and at times, with a beverage or three. "0" mv to me is still crystal clear and puts me in awe on how good it sounds!! Movies though i find them more than enough at -10/-8. Loudest i ever watched a movie was Ready Player One with my Klipsch RP speakers last year, and it was amazing what the extra couple DB's did. Couldn't imagine "0"mv with movies as the -6 with RP1 seemed as loud to me as "0" with tunes.
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@Toe ,

12 X 17ft room is way too big here in the South east of England lol. Mine is 13.5 X 13.5 ft approximately and 8 speakers crammed inside I will never ever be be able to convert my garage into a dedicated HT room without filing for a divorce.

I have the budget but sadly the wife hates these and I can only blast for couple of hours a week at max.

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@Toe ,

12 X 17ft room is way too big here in the South east of England lol. Mine is 13.5 X 13.5 ft approximately and 8 speakers crammed inside I will never ever be be able to convert my garage into a dedicated HT room without filing for a divorce.

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Try 13 speakers crammed into 10.8*8.2ft
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Transformers: Age of Extinction (2014

I've been revisiting the Transformers pentalogy the past two weeks, and every time I finished one installment, I thought to myself "this has to be the best Transformers mix and the best film of the franchise". And then today it was time for T:AoE, a film that I haven't revisited as much as the others, for some reason or other.

I was blown away by it, and often almost in a literal sense. This track is very powerful and loud, and was shaken constantly throughout its (very long) running time. Knowing this mix is very hot, I listened to it at -18, with sub 2db hot. Even at this moderate volume the mix was relentless, and had I been alone, I gladly would have risked my sub and house a bit more. The track is hot as f--, but in this particular case I didn't mind at all, because it fitted the on-screen madness quite appropriately.

Much like Aquaman , most of the energy is above 30hz, but it has good levels down to low 20s, so the bass effects manage to bring enough weight to make them sound quite powerful. The bass overall I found it simply fantastic, and tremendously fun, with some wonderful bass sweeps that made me feel I was going to float.

However, the whole audio presentation is phenomenal. The surround activity was very enveloping, the sound was clear and highly detailed, with great directionality and superb sound design. This soundtrack makes you feel you're in there. The audio is loud, but I still found it pretty dynamic, it didn't sound compressed to me at all, unlike, for example, some Fast & Furious soundtracks. You can tell I was vowed by this audio track. It's extremely complex, and yet it's perfectly clear and articulated. It's really state-of-the-art.

Now, I have to rewatch The Last Knight . I wonder if it'll be possible to leave me thinking "No way! THIS is even better".

I know most in here have already watched it (and probably agree with me), but I just wanted to share my impressions.

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WOW! Love that room!! Bet it sounds killer in there!! Congrats on absolutely maximizing the space you had available, well done man.

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Lol, still blows me away how well you made that work.

I know, right? I even had a plan for the room to be the other orientation too
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Thanks! and yes, yes it does


Brings a smile to my face every time, and the bass often still surprises/scares me





I know, right? I even had a plan for the room to be the other orientation too
Pretty much flat bass response to 4Hz Wow!!! You hand out Gravol to anyone entering that room lol.
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