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Guys, what are those doted lines in those graphs?
That is the actual audio mix that comes with the disc, the solid line is the audio after you apply BassEQ filters using a miniDSP
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does redbox disks have atmos audio?
every disk ive rented doesnt have atmos in the audio menu.
i suppose i can just choose atmos with my avr but thats not real atmos is it
This greatly depends on the studio. For example, Lionsgate and Sony will only give RedBox rental-copies of discs and those often don't even have HD-Audio let alone Atmos or DTS:X. There are rare exceptions where RedBox supplies the non-rental copies and also any 4K disc that goes to RedBox is the full retail copy with all the aural and video splendor that 4K holds. Most other studios though don't use the neutered rental copies and in those cases whether or not the movie has Atmos entirely depends on whether or not the they released the Blu-Ray copy with Atmos or if the studio reserved that for 4K in order to add a value proposition to 4K.
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This greatly depends on the studio. For example, Lionsgate and Sony will only give RedBox rental-copies of discs and those often don't even have HD-Audio let alone Atmos or DTS:X. There are rare exceptions where RedBox supplies the non-rental copies and also any 4K disc that goes to RedBox is the full retail copy with all the aural and video splendor that 4K holds. Most other studios though don't use the neutered rental copies and in those cases whether or not the movie has Atmos entirely depends on whether or not the they released the Blu-Ray copy with Atmos or if the studio reserved that for 4K in order to add a value proposition to 4K.
If memory serves me correctly getting John Wick 2 from Netflix disc rental (yes it still exists!) only gave me DD, no DTS MA or Dobly TrueHD. I bet those jerks will do the same for John Wick 3.

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Well, atleast 4k then..
Personally, I'd never choose 4K over 3D and I already have it in 3D. YMMV.

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Personally, I'd never choose 4K over 3D and I already have it in 3D. YMMV.
I would hope not, the Epson 3100 in your sig is 1080p and not 4K/HDR capable

Tron certainly does look fantastic in 3D sitting just 8' away from a 120" screen,
The neon highlights almost look HDR against the JVC's black abyss background...




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I would hope not, the Epson 3100 in your sig is 1080p and not 4K/HDR capable
So that means I've never seen 4K or what the hell was your point again??? Because you clearly chose to miss mine with that comment.

If I were sitting in front of my 4K QLED, it'd make sense to choose 4K as well since it doesn't do 3D, but I moved it to a family member's house and went back to my plasma because I wasn't watching movies on it (and there's not much 4K TV). My mother gets 20x the use out of it I would, but I can watch it when I visit if I'm hard up to see hyper saturated colors, etc., which seems to be what Hollywood has turned 4K into in order to differentiate it from 2K. God knows what lengths they'll go to sell 8K when the resolution is beyond meaningless save a 300" screen or so.

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If I only had my LG65B6P OLED (with no 3D) it would be silly to choose the 3D version over a 4K option.
..But since my JVC is 4K and 3D capable, I often end up double dipping for my favorite movies.

Tron certainly does look fantastic in 3D sitting just 8' away from my 120" screen,
The neon highlights almost looks like HDR against the JVC's black abyss background
And now he agrees 3D looks good. Yeah, I probably wouldn't watch the same movie twice just for the relatively minor improvements of 4K compared to the massive difference of 3D.

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LOL!

If you have no 4K/HDR display, (1080p projector and a plasma TV)
See edited post above. Making assumptions always leads to bad conclusions. 4K and HDR are slight on most projectors compared to an OLED or QLED so I haven't been in a hurry to change it out after less than 2 years just for that when 1080p looks perfectly fine on a 92" screen, especially for film-based content (still the vast majority of my library).

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Why would you choose to buy the 4K over the 3D option?
If there is no 3D version, I'm future proofed if there's not much price difference as opposed to buying it again later full price when I already have a 2K version. I also choose to buy 4K when it has DTS:X or Atmos and the 2K version doesn't. My LG player will easily down-convert to 2K, but I normally just extract the audio track from the 4K disc and move it to the 2D or 3D version.

The question for 4K true believers is what will you do when 8K makes your system obsolete once again? I personally don't think even 4K is necessary to enjoy a movie on a 92"-150" screen (although the larger you go, the more benefit you'll get beyond the HDR effect, which I haven't really cared for that much), but some people need to know their system is superior to everyone around them or they get grouchy and tend to lash out at people.

I'll replace my projector with a 4K model once I get a bit of use out of this one and I can find a suitable model that will work in my room (I need significant lens shift where I mount the projector and so far only Epson's "pseudo 4K" projectors and Sony's pricey one have it as far as I know and also have 3D. I could use a second projector just for 4K, I suppose, but again, it's hard to fit in the room due to my steel beam box at the proper height (and not making the ceiling, which has another floor above it so hard to run cable between the ceiling). I'm not in a hurry as I don't have 2K that much and I have 182 3D movies here as well (about 50 of which I haven't watched even once yet here as I'm far behind my purchases.

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I thought the thread was about bass content, not 4K. How silly of me.
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Yeah I agree, JA is one of my guilty pleasure movies that I revisit a couple of time/year and I never get sick of it.
Fantastic PQ and SQ and an entertaining story...that's enough for me.
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Jupiter Ascending has been talked about quite a bit in the past, I think the reason it doesn't get thrown into the mix of "All time best MWB"
is maybe because it doesn't have as many iconic, full-on hard-hitting bass scenes as some of the others.The scene with the 25Hz spike is arguably one of the loudest around
Spoiler!

Movies like MM Fury Road, Tron Legacy, War of the Worlds, TIH, B:LA etc have scene after scene that have relentless pounding bass
So True! I just added MMFR to my previous post and its clearly the worst of the 4 (JA/WOTW/TIH/MMFR) on the PvA graph,
But the spectrum graph, that shows the entire movie from start to finish, wins by a pretty good margin.

The classic Bass-Fest movies tend to show up as a total Wall of Yellow/Orange in the spectrum heat maps.
Mad Max Fury Road is a perfect example, even though most of the LFE is centered around 30Hz.

(Left Side with BEQ/Right Side without)


Most subs drop off after 17Hz, where there's a noticeable dip in the PvA graph,
It takes a 12Hz sub/shaker for the peak ~42:00, but it's so short it's not a big deal.
The PvA graph just doesn't reveal that info....



Still one of my all time favorites to Demo, that I've played at least a dozen times,
Most often in 4K/HDR, but sometimes in 3D since both versions have ATMOS
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I watched "Don't breathe" based on recommendation from this thread and wasn't disappointed.
Very agressive audio with nice LFE and unusually different sound. Movie was a nice creepy thriller as well.

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RE: Jupiter Ascending, is there any sound quality diiference between the bluray and 4k to justify the 2.5 times extra cost?
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RE: Jupiter Ascending, is there any sound quality diiference between the bluray and 4k to justify the 2.5 times extra cost?
Both have the same ATMOS tracks.

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I watched "Don't breathe" based on recommendation from this thread and wasn't disappointed.
Very agressive audio with nice LFE and unusually different sound. Movie was a nice creepy thriller as well.
I clicked to Amazon, saw the description (sounded interesting) but no back cover. Checked Blu-Ray.com and disappointed to see it's 5.1 audio (not even 7.1) and yet I've read some reviews on Blu-Ray.com that suggest it was available in Atmos in theaters (if so, another fine 'screw you' from the studios who can't be bothered to release a movie to its cinema full capability).

I wonder how well it upmixes for overhead effects? Anyone try it with 5.1.4 or greater and Neural X?

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Don't Breathe 5.1 mix received very high marks in this very thread, so I think you should be good. The graph should be in the first page, if you want to check it out.

Edit: I remember the reviewer at blu-ray.com was also disappointed by the lack of an object-based mix, but the quality of the mix was good enough to "forgive" it.

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I clicked to Amazon, saw the description (sounded interesting) but no back cover. Checked Blu-Ray.com and disappointed to see it's 5.1 audio (not even 7.1) and yet I've read some reviews on Blu-Ray.com that suggest it was available in Atmos in theaters (if so, another fine 'screw you' from the studios who can't be bothered to release a movie to its cinema full capability).

I wonder how well it upmixes for overhead effects? Anyone try it with 5.1.4 or greater and Neural X?
It was up mixed (only 5.1.2 though) to DTS: Neural X on my system and it sounded great to me at least. Blu-ray.com has given 5.0 for audio so I don't know what more you need. I picked it up for 5 bucks from Amazon anyway so no complaints.

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That is a pretty sweet deal. I might grab it as well, only watched it at the theater.

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That is a pretty sweet deal. I might grab it as well, only watched it at the theater.

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It was up mixed (only 5.1.2 though) to DTS: Neural X on my system and it sounded great to me at least. Blu-ray.com has given 5.0 for audio so I don't know what more you need. I picked it up for 5 bucks from Amazon anyway so no complaints.
Was it in Atmos at the theater? In other words, was this is a case of them saving a few bucks on the transfer (if they'd just port the cinema version straight over like Paramount tends to do, it'd cost them almost nothing and probably sound better on average as well given many home versions are tamed down for some soundbar reason). It's $10 new at Amazon US ($7.48 non-prime lowest with shipping). Yes, at $5 I'd just buy it anyway. I'd pay $15 if it had Atmos or X on it. Crimson Peak in DTS:X was crazy great for overhead effects (wish the movie were a little scarier with the supernatural stuff, but as a thriller it was OK). Maybe I'll grab that $7.48 one....(ah hell that's an import; it'd take weeks to get here. I see $9 with shipping and tax locally).

I see they have GET OUT in 4K with DTS:X. Anyone hear that soundtrack yet? The regular BD is only 5.1, I believe.

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Was it in Atmos at the theater? In other words, was this is a case of them saving a few bucks on the transfer (if they'd just port the cinema version straight over like Paramount tends to do, it'd cost them almost nothing and probably sound better on average as well given many home versions are tamed down for some soundbar reason). It's $10 new at Amazon US ($7.48 non-prime lowest with shipping). Yes, at $5 I'd just buy it anyway. I'd pay $15 if it had Atmos or X on it. Crimson Peak in DTS:X was crazy great for overhead effects (wish the movie were a little scarier with the supernatural stuff, but as a thriller it was OK). Maybe I'll grab that $7.48 one....
I am not sure how it was in the theater. Also this was released in 2016 and AFAIK not many discs had Atmos/DTS:X. But I hear you about studios being stingy about not porting the cinema version of Audio. Lots of recent UHD titles, Die Hard comes to my mind and some other catalog titles which could have included immersive tracks but not.

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I am not sure how it was in the theater. Also this was released in 2016 and AFAIK not many discs had Atmos/DTS:X. But I hear you about studios being stingy about not porting the cinema version of Audio. Lots of recent UHD titles, Die Hard comes to my mind and some other catalog titles which could have included immersive tracks but not.
A lot of the 4K rereleases from then (and earlier) are getting Atmos or DTS:X, though. I've heard good things about "Get Out" and "Us" from Jordan Peele. The 4K "Get Out" has DTS:X and "US" when it comes out on disc in June has Atmos (even on the 2K if there even is a 4K on that one; I don't see it yet). I don't know how well it's used or how the bass is on either, though. Get Out's 5.1 curve looks OK for what I can hear on my system. But that doesn't necessarily translate to the DTS:X version as several titles have shown.

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A lot of the 4K rereleases from then (and earlier) are getting Atmos or DTS:X, though. I've heard good things about "Get Out" and "Us" from Jordan Peele. The 4K "Get Out" has DTS:X and "US" when it comes out on disc in June has Atmos (even on the 2K if there even is a 4K on that one; I don't see it yet). I don't know how well it's used or how the bass is on either, though. Get Out's 5.1 curve looks OK for what I can hear on my system. But that doesn't necessarily translate to the DTS:X version as several titles have shown.


Get Out DTS-HD MA 5.1


Get Out DTS:X (dotted line)


Look the same to me (graphs rendered using different software hence the difference in smoothing) Well, the DTS-HD track looks slightly louder, but keep in mind this may be because the track as a whole is louder (I don't know, I haven't directly compraed them)
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Look the same to me (graphs rendered using different software hence the difference in smoothing) Well, the DTS-HD track looks slightly louder, but keep in mind this may be because the track as a whole is louder (I don't know, I haven't directly compraed them)
I guess I'll order the DTS:X version then. Hopefully, it has some good overhead and rear surround use in it compared to upmixed 5.1.

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I guess I'll order the DTS:X version then. Hopefully, it has some good overhead and rear surround use in it compared to upmixed 5.1.

Unfortunately that's less easy to graph
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Unfortunately that's less easy to graph
Is it? I think you could have an 11-channel graph over time for peak levels that would tell a pretty good tale (well you'd only really need to see say the rear surround and overhead channels as those are traditionally the least used channels, but seeing them ALL versus what the surround channels are doing would tell you pretty well what to expect, if anything. You'd look at The Big Lebowski and see a bunch of dormant channels and say I'm not paying extra for THAT! ).

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[CENTER]Mortal Engines (2018) may not be the best movie but my god it has massive potential to improve and become something incredible.
The universe and visuals of Mortal Engines is spectacular and feels completely different than what I've seen in that genre in some time.
These are the spec below. I don't know if the 4K DI is accurate but I'll wait upon release to see if it changes and is
confirmed because if the spec remain true then you will be BLOWN AWAY with the UHD and what's happening on screen.
Trust me when I say if you liked the UHD, you need to see the 3D version as it's literally perfect 3D (and on my Epson that likes to put little bits of crosstalk in, however faint that's saying something as this movie had ZERO crosstalk). Atmos is on both and not the more typical "Crapmos" (where they forget they even have overhead speakers for some bizarre reason or keep them at lower volumes like they're Pro Logic mini-speakers or something) nor Disney's "Dismos/Sadmos" with a locked configuration, poor dynamics and low volume and often seemingly optional bass.

And yes, I'd like to see more movies in this Universe. It has an interesting blend of characters (the green-eyed cyborg Terminator for one), a nice blend of high tech and low tech humans (for once the tech of the "ancients" isn't some total mystery, but they actually know quite a bit about it and DAMN IT I *KNEW IT* about Twinkies having a half-life! (totally not true of course; they DO last a LONG time, but they also go very stale and will eventually MOLD, believe it or not).
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Dude, WTF, man!?! W T F ! ? ! ? !

This movie right here is in contention with Blade Runner 2049 for scary as f*** bass!!!! The fear of your subs bursting or your windows breaking or your heart stopping is REAL!!
Funny. And true. I almost pissed myself when Blade Runner 2049's first bass note right at the beginning dropped and I don't go much below 20Hz (well a bit more now that Audyssey is engaged, it actually has content to 18Hz down about 6dB but then I have the whole sub cranked up 6dB above reference so it's a technically a wash). I think I had the volume cranked too from a Disney movie being on.... Yeah, I worried about my nitrogen window seals breaking.
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Lights Out (2016)

Movie afternoon has started with this little horror movie. I remember seeing a graph for this one around here, but couldn't find it.

In any case, the use of bass was moderate but well done, although on the "typical", kinda predictable side. The surround sound is the big winner, as the placement of sound was very well done, and made you feel " in there" when appropriate. No more to add, other than this was a very effective short horror movie that comes recommended if you can find a good deal for it.

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Lights Out (2016)

Movie afternoon has started with this little horror movie. I remember seeing a graph for this one around here, but couldn't find it.

In any case, the use of bass was moderate but well done, although on the "typical", kinda predictable side. The surround sound is the big winner, as the placement of sound was very well done, and made you feel " in there" when appropriate. No more to add, other than this was a very effective short horror movie that comes recommended if you can find a good deal for it.

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I had purchased this not that long ago and enjoyed it for what i was and agree with your take on it, for me replay material every Halloween at least. Also, all the recent talk about Don't Breath had me revisit it yesterday, good lord i had forgot just how nuts the bass was. It was a full body massage, and still enjoyed it as i remembered!!
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